Harry & Meghan

[The Atheist]

A polite request to anyone living near where they live: please tape their mouths shut and break all their fingers so they can't type or talk.

I have never been so sick and tired of any "news" story ever.

The garbage belongs in the entertainment pages, yet every news page on the planet has at least three different "Harry says..." stories on it.

No doubt his book will become one of the best sellers of all time.

Enough already!

[TragicMonkey]

You're just jealous because as a crime-solving duo Harry and Meghan have solved more mysteries than you and Steve Buscemi have.

[angrysoba]

Yep. They are unbelievably whiny attention-seekers.

[psionl0]

Meghan Markle is more of a princess than any member of the Royal family.

[Samson]

William clobbers Harry.
Harry deserved it.
Violence is never acceptable.
Problemo

[The Atheist]

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Yep. They are unbelievably whiny attention-seekers.

The part I find funniest - it's impossible to avoid all of it - is Harry stating he wants to be back in the family, then ******** all over them in public.

Amazing how the second son in that family is always a complete twat.

[lionking]

On a scale of obnoxiousness between H&M and the Royal family, the Royal family wins by a mile. I just don’t get the hatred of Harry when his father is an ignorant fool of an order Harry will never reach.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by lionking

On a scale of obnoxiousness between H&M and the Royal family, the Royal family wins by a mile. I just don’t get the hatred of Harry when his father is an ignorant fool of an order Harry will never reach.

My own personal view is that Meghan Markle has unfortunate echoes of Wallis Simpson (American, divorced, unwilling to be bowed to "the firm") and so the Royal Family were set against her from day 1.

The fact that she's also tabloid box office means that she draws focus from the more dutiful (but far more boring) royals and they don't like that one tiny little bit.

The fact that Harry seems to be far more loyal to his wife and cares far more for her welfare than that of "the firm" means that he's no longer welcome.

[lionking]

Originally Posted by The Don

The fact that Harry seems to be far more loyal to his wife and cares far more for her welfare than that of "the firm" means that he's no longer welcome.

Which means he has great honour in my view.

[jeremyp]

Originally Posted by lionking

On a scale of obnoxiousness between H&M and the Royal family, the Royal family wins by a mile. I just don’t get the hatred of Harry when his father is an ignorant fool of an order Harry will never reach.

I don't know any of them, but it does seem to be Harry who is exploiting his family's troubles for publicity and money. This is the evidence I have so I lean in the opposite direction to you.

[Mr Fied]

Originally Posted by lionking

On a scale of obnoxiousness between H&M and the Royal family, the Royal family wins by a mile. I just don’t get the hatred of Harry when his father is an ignorant fool of an order Harry will never reach.

I just thought his father was a bit naive, having been raised in a privileged family.
Charlie, on the other hand...........................

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Mr Fied

I just thought his father was a bit naive, having been raised in a privileged family.
Charlie, on the other hand...........................

Boom ! Tish !

I will try the veal, and I will not forget to tip my waitress.

[angrysoba]

Originally Posted by lionking

On a scale of obnoxiousness between H&M and the Royal family, the Royal family wins by a mile. I just don’t get the hatred of Harry when his father is an ignorant fool of an order Harry will never reach.

It's not a competition. All of them are idiots, but right now Harry and Meghan are the ones grasping for the limelight.

Harry wore a Nazi swastika because his brother made him do it? Oh do **** off!

Seriously. I don't need a hard luck story about a royal family member who had every advantage and pretty obviously enjoying his life now suddenly claiming he was a victim. Seriously, dude. **** the **** off. Nobody should care.

[Carrot Flower King]

The Beeb rather petulantly justified filling much of Radio 4's news and current affairs coverage yesterday evening with this pish because "people are talking about it".

Well, yes, but that's because you and the rest of the sycophants in our meejah won't shut up about these self-obsessed numpties: no coverage, no conversation.

And as for you Guardian, you're not helping with your gettinghold of an early copy of the Spanish version of the "book" and trotting chunks out. I know you think this is part of your campaign to undermine the royals, but...Oh well, at least it's easier to skip over pieces on a website than when the blether is all over your radio when you are trying to hear some proper news.

[angrysoba]

Originally Posted by The Don

My own personal view is that Meghan Markle has unfortunate echoes of Wallis Simpson (American, divorced, unwilling to be bowed to "the firm") and so the Royal Family were set against her from day 1.

The fact that she's also tabloid box office means that she draws focus from the more dutiful (but far more boring) royals and they don't like that one tiny little bit.

The fact that Harry seems to be far more loyal to his wife and cares far more for her welfare than that of "the firm" means that he's no longer welcome.

True. It wasn't his fault he wore a Nazi swastika and wrote a self-pitying book called "Spare"!

Give me a ******* break. I honestly couldn't have cared less about this drama until he decided to do some book promo in which he casts himself as a victim and also declares he wants his dad and brother back.

You've had your say, Harry. Now you can go away now. There is literally no point in a monarchy and even less point in an ex-monarchy family member.

[Ian Osborne]

I just read the book will need to sell 1.7 million copies to break even. I hope it doesn't.

[Architect]

I've decided that Channel 4's "The Windsors" was actually quite accurate.

[Darat]

Happy to see he is making his own money not like the rest of his universal benefit family of wastrels!

[Vixen]

I enjoy the genre of autobiography so I can't knock Harry's book until I have read it for myself for literary merit. The ghostwriter, J Moehringer [_sp?] is said to be well respected in his field. Problem with the tabloids is that they ridicule 'Harold' being decked by his brother and 'Willy' wagging his finger in Meghan's face, or Charles quipping, 'Suppose I am not your father?' (referring to a patient Chalres met in a mental hospital who thought he was the Prince of Wales [haha]) and it is all great entertainment of the tawdry type of peeking through someone's curtains to witness the dirt, in fact comedy gold, on a par with a Conservative MP preaching 'family values' caught bonking a lady of the night whilst wearing a Chelsea football shirt.

All that aside, my immediate view of the book is that it is a cheap sordid attempt at revenge by the Harkles to (a) commercialise their asset of being part of the royal family, and (b) to teach Harry's parents, brother and grandparents a lesson for daring to reject the Harkle plan of being half-in, half-out of the royal family, in other words, to pop over to the UK now and the to do 'royal duties' whilst basking in the Californian sunshine making money out of 'Sussex Royal LLC' and running political campaigns for the Democrats.

Given that Harry is a grown man nearing forty and has his own individual wealth in the form of a substantial inheritance from his late mother and great-grandmother (the Queen Mother) not to mention army pensions (even if 'only £40,000' pa) it seems really spoilt for he and his wife to have a hissy screaming tantrum because Granny said 'no'.

So this book is bourne out of a 'well you made us do it' mentality. 'You forced me to make my own money by cutting us off from the public purse by not accepting our plan to be half-in, half-out!'

Appalling behaviour and how squalid is his equally appalling wife with her fake 'tear' at the Queen's funeral presumably so it could be caught for the Vogue modelling cameras? I am amazed Meghan wasn't decked herself for her mockery of the Queen at her funeral.

I really do think Harry is an embarrassing facsimile of his simple empty vessel Great Uncle Edward VIII who ran around simpering like a lost puppy after Wallis Simpson, who unfortunately had no love for him and to boot was a spy for the Nazis and had zero loyalty to the UK. Whilst Edward VIII was a traitor - collaborating with the nazis - Harry has similar traitorous characteristics, thinks it is all right to try to bring down the monarchy because of some perceived insult to his horrible gold-digging wife and her equally grifting mother. Like Edward with Simpson, Harry appears to have no capacity for self-reflection or self-awareness. He looks to a shrewd machinating woman to tell him what to do.

It is embarrassing to learn of Harry claiming to not realise that 'Paki' was a racist slur and of his sex-in-a-field=behind-a-busy-pub, not to mention his hallucinogenic chocolate mushroom making it appear that a kitchen bin lid was talking and smiling at him, so he claims, thinking that this is really amazing edgy stuff.

Dearie dearie me.

[Darat]

"...(b) to teach Harry's parents"

[TragicMonkey]

Originally Posted by Architect

I've decided that Channel 4's "The Windsors" was actually quite accurate.

That show really redeemed Camilla. She's been so misunderstood!

[Gulliver Foyle]

The Private Eye's description of Harry von Saxe-Coburg-Gotha's life in the TV review section of the last 2022 edition is quite good. They point out that he was a child much affected by his mother's death and by being used as a pawn during subsequent events by both the royal family and the Blair government really had a deleterious effect on him. Couple that with the fact that he's been used by the royal PR machine as a fall guy when they want to distract from worse problems and it's no wonder that everything's so toxic.

[TragicMonkey]

The important thing to remember is that royalty, in this era, exists in order to provide entertainment. And that's precisely what they're doing. You don't need to like every character in order to find their antics entertaining. And while royalty itself may believe it's supposed to be reserved and dignified, messy drama and campy farce are much more fun to watch. So which royals are truly serving their inherent purpose here? I propose that Harry and Meghan, by kicking up fusses and throwing shade and spilling tea (I am hip with the youth expressions!) are in fact being better royalty than balding rageaholic Willy, bitter mean girl Katie, insane homunculus King Chuck, the sweaty one who rapes people, and the rest of the bunch who attempt to keep their ridiculous behavior under wraps. These are the public's monkeys and they are supposed to dance! that's what they're for. If they're not going to you may as well revolutionize their heads off, they're costing a fortune so they need to put out.

[Darat]

Perhaps he could become the speaker of the house in the USA?

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by lionking

On a scale of obnoxiousness between H&M and the Royal family, the Royal family wins by a mile. I just don’t get the hatred of Harry when his father is an ignorant fool of an order Harry will never reach.

He is yet young, give the man time.

And the comparison isn't really between Harry and Charles. They are of different generations. Charles gets compared to Andrew, and in that matchup, I think Charles wins. Harry has to face off against William.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by The Don

The fact that Harry seems to be far more loyal to his wife and cares far more for her welfare than that of "the firm" means that he's no longer welcome.

Does he, though? Supposedly she went through a period of feeling suicidal, and one of her big complaints is that the royals didn't help her get counseling. But where the **** was Harry? If your wife is feeling suicidal, you get her some ******* help. It doesn't matter if they queen won't put it on her dime, he's got resources available himself. He's got his own therapist on speed dial, who could if nothing else give him a referral if not treat Meghan directly. He could have paid for it out of his personal haberdashery fund, which likely exceeds my annual income. This wasn't an obstacle, if Harry had actually tried. But we hear nothing about how he stepped up to the plate to help her.

[TragicMonkey]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Does he, though? Supposedly she went through a period of feeling suicidal, and one of her big complaints is that the royals didn't help her get counseling. But where the **** was Harry? If your wife is feeling suicidal, you get her some ******* help. It doesn't matter if they queen won't put it on her dime, he's got resources available himself. He's got his own therapist on speed dial, who could if nothing else give him a referral if not treat Meghan directly. He could have paid for it out of his personal haberdashery fund, which likely exceeds my annual income. This wasn't an obstacle, if Harry had actually tried. But we hear nothing about how he stepped up to the plate to help her.

To find the answer to that you'll have to read his book!

I'm getting a copy for my mom. She hates Harry but for six decades her favorite reading material has been romance novels of the type that usually have titles like The Rake Prince and Prince Scoundrel and Prince Rake's Royal Romance so it's quite odd that she should object to real life versions. Although they really should have put a different pic of him on the cover, I bet he owns at least one puffy pirate shirt.

[ahhell]

Originally Posted by Samson

William clobbers Harry.
Harry deserved it.
Violence is never acceptable.
Problemo

Even if they were nobodies, I'd think pretty poorly of both in this situation. Don't assault your brother and air your family's dirty laundry in public.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

Does he, though? Supposedly she went through a period of feeling suicidal, and one of her big complaints is that the royals didn't help her get counseling. But where the **** was Harry? If your wife is feeling suicidal, you get her some ******* help. It doesn't matter if they queen won't put it on her dime, he's got resources available himself. He's got his own therapist on speed dial, who could if nothing else give him a referral if not treat Meghan directly. He could have paid for it out of his personal haberdashery fund, which likely exceeds my annual income. This wasn't an obstacle, if Harry had actually tried. But we hear nothing about how he stepped up to the plate to help her.

The Netflix "documentary" about Harry and Meghan touches on a lot of this and covers a great deal about what he did/they did and how Meghan feels about his support.

Of course it is from their perspective.

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

The important thing to remember is that royalty, in this era, exists in order to provide entertainment. And that's precisely what they're doing. You don't need to like every character in order to find their antics entertaining. And while royalty itself may believe it's supposed to be reserved and dignified, messy drama and campy farce are much more fun to watch. So which royals are truly serving their inherent purpose here? I propose that Harry and Meghan, by kicking up fusses and throwing shade and spilling tea (I am hip with the youth expressions!) are in fact being better royalty than balding rageaholic Willy, bitter mean girl Katie, insane homunculus King Chuck, the sweaty one who rapes people, and the rest of the bunch who attempt to keep their ridiculous behavior under wraps. These are the public's monkeys and they are supposed to dance! that's what they're for. If they're not going to you may as well revolutionize their heads off, they're costing a fortune so they need to put out.

Today's Zaphod Beeblebrox Memorial Award goes to...

[Gord_in_Toronto]

"Please don't pay any attention to us. We don't like it;"

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by ahhell

Even if they were nobodies, I'd think pretty poorly of both in this situation. Don't assault your brother and air your family's dirty laundry in public.

Technically, my brother assaulted me about a year ago in a fight about his girlfriend.

I made a visual joke about him proposing to his girlfriend from a position behind her where he could see me but she couldn't, and he punched me on the arm. The punch was deserved, but totally worth it for the joke.

[Blue Mountain]

I think Harry should solve this the old-fashioned way: sail to France, raise an army, take it back to England, kill his brother, claim the throne for himself, and banish his father to some remote castle in Northumbria.

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by Blue Mountain

I think Harry should solve this the old-fashioned way: sail to France, raise an army, take it back to England, kill his brother, claim the throne for himself, and banish his father to some remote castle in Northumbria.

Chucky could be taken in by their cousins, the Percys, at Alnwick.

Might mean that the numbing tourist chant of "Oooooooh, Harry Potter!" is replaced by "Ooooooooh, Chucky Windsor!"

Or they could make him a permanent exhibition in Alnwick Garden talking to some plants.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by Blue Mountain

I think Harry should solve this the old-fashioned way: sail to France, raise an army, take it back to England, kill his brother, claim the throne for himself, and banish his father to some remote castle in Northumbria.

I'm not sure he's up to the challenge of taking on King Charles.

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[Orphia Nay]

I haven't followed the story of Harry and Meaghan, other than to observe the hateful headlines coming from the Murdoch media. Surprised to see so much hate here.

[angrysoba]

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

I haven't followed the story of Harry and Meaghan, other than to observe the hateful headlines coming from the Murdoch media. Surprised to see so much hate here.

After a while people get sick of two people making a career of a prolonged wallowing in self-pity.

Get the **** over it!

[lionking]

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

Surprised to see so much hate here.

I’m not. Many people, even on this forum, view the Royal family, despite all the obvious faults and even crimes, to be beyond criticism. To have reached a level of sanctification that when Harry dares to speak up the press turns apoplectic. Give me Harry before Charles and his whole generation of royalty.

[mumblethrax]

I can't say that I have a lot of difficulty ignoring them. There's a book I don't have to read, and a Netflix series I don't have to watch, clickbait less interesting than the standard ripped-from-reddit stuff. Compare this to reaction to the death of the person whose job was being the dullest person at every party for 70 years--very serious people claimed with a straight face that it was the most momentous event in history. By the standards of the odious, attention-demanding institution upon which their celebrity is parasitic, they seem relatively inoffensive. But their reception is indicative of what happens when one of these gilded cagelings attempts to earn what has traditionally been granted by right--it turns out they aren't the best and brightest, a shock to everyone, I'm sure.

[angrysoba]

Originally Posted by lionking

I’m not. Many people, even on this forum, view the Royal family, despite all the obvious faults and even crimes, to be beyond criticism. To have reached a level of sanctification that when Harry dares to speak up the press turns apoplectic. Give me Harry before Charles and his whole generation of royalty.

The monarchy should be abolished. Why would you want Harry unless you favoured some kind of monarchy where someone is famous and has a title based purely on inheritance?

As for “daring to speak”. Jesus. He doesn’t stop yapping.