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Old 9th March 2019, 03:21 PM   #161
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Originally Posted by Steve View Post
Or a person who talks loudly to himself but does not otherwise interact with other passengers.

This question cones down to what level of annoyance other passengers are expected to tolerate. I doubt that this can actually be defined. There will always be cases where some passengers will be treated unfairly.
We should, however, tend to put the onus on the party claiming offense when it's an immutable quality rather than a voluntary behavior.

In which case they should propose to the upset party, "Would you like to hold for a later flight? I've got half a dozen folks on standby right now if you're prepared to disembark."

It's tied in somewhere with that same stupid issue we have where the accused party is presumed to have to clear itself even though now everything said by them is bum..bum..BUM...suspect.

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Old 9th March 2019, 05:02 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by Steve View Post
Thank you. I apologize for doubting you. I accept your expertise and concede that nukes are off the table. No more air travel then. From now on everyone must travel by train. That with be a sure way to prevent the spread of disease between people in confined spaces.
In my considered opinion trains is perfectly safe provided they kept cooled to 10 degrees. Kelvin.
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Old 9th March 2019, 05:03 PM   #163
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Here's the link. It says 'mostly flat' but none of it is flat at all. It rises to 88 metres very steeply.

And immediately below that it says;
"Use caution–walking directions may not always reflect real-world conditions"
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They have even kindly added steps further down the footpath. further down the footpath.

Which, as you say, is further down the footpath.

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Google have something on the menu called 'see terrain' and from that they can see it is higher ground as they have shaded it in themselves, so why would I need to tell them?

The information provided in Google Maps is compiled from a number of different sources. I'd be surprised if they had someone crosschecking comments against topographical data. That's why user feedback is so useful.

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As for the topic at hand I have hands on knowledge and experience without having to scour Google looking for medical minutiae in order to score a point.

I'm surprised you think you can dismiss sources which clearly contradict your claims as "medical minutiae".

And at the same time somehow suggest that you, too, have not been trying to "score a point".
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Old 9th March 2019, 05:38 PM   #164
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
In my considered opinion trains is perfectly safe provided they kept cooled to 10 degrees. Kelvin.
Perfectly reasonable. There will be no spread of viruses under those conditions.
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Old 9th March 2019, 05:39 PM   #165
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
...I'm surprised you think you can dismiss sources which clearly contradict your claims as "medical minutiae".

And at the same time somehow suggest that you, too, have not been trying to "score a point".
I was leaning toward #2.

1) Score points: in many cases this is a overused assumption.

2) Dig your heels: in because that's what people sometimes do. It how our brains work.

3) Or, actually have a point or you are correct and you can't go to bed because someone on the Internet is wrong.
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Old 9th March 2019, 09:31 PM   #166
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Originally Posted by Steve View Post
Perfectly reasonable. There will be no spread of viruses under those conditions.
Also it will allow optimization of frozen snacks. Ice cream sandwiches! Did not Pope Gelasius remark that there is no ocean of blood too wide to wade through for ice cream sandwiches? No, he didn't, and I'm surprised you brought him up.
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Old 9th March 2019, 10:01 PM   #167
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Also it will allow optimization of frozen snacks. Ice cream sandwiches! Did not Pope Gelasius remark that there is no ocean of blood too wide to wade through for ice cream sandwiches? No, he didn't, and I'm surprised you brought him up.
Not as surprised as me.
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Old 9th March 2019, 10:26 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by Steve View Post
Not as surprised as me.
"Few things are as surprising as I am," remarked Pope Gelasius, pouring the last bucket of whale blubber over the startled couple whose bedroom he broke into in the dead of the night. "Now, who's ready for an ice cream sandwich? No, no, it doesn't go in the mouth. Guess again!"
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Old 10th March 2019, 12:55 PM   #169
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I was leaning toward #2.

1) Score points: in many cases this is a overused assumption.

2) Dig your heels: in because that's what people sometimes do. It how our brains work.

3) Or, actually have a point or you are correct and you can't go to bed because someone on the Internet is wrong.
You are wrong in assuming I am merely stating a half-baked opinion on something I know little to nothing about, so you bulldozed in with a clever Google link to set me right (or so you thought).

Assume makes an ASS out of U and ME.
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Old 10th March 2019, 12:57 PM   #170
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
"Few things are as surprising as I am," remarked Pope Gelasius, pouring the last bucket of whale blubber over the startled couple whose bedroom he broke into in the dead of the night. "Now, who's ready for an ice cream sandwich? No, no, it doesn't go in the mouth. Guess again!"
To savour ice cream at its best, you need to let it stand for ten minutes at room temperature, so bang go your ice-cream sandwiches on a minus ten degrees Kelvin scale. Your teeth would crack on it.
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Old 10th March 2019, 01:07 PM   #171
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
You are wrong in assuming I am merely stating a half-baked opinion on something I know little to nothing about, so you bulldozed in with a clever Google link to set me right (or so you thought).

Assume makes an ASS out of U and ME.
Since when is backing up one's position with citations 'bulldozing in with a clever Google link'?

You have yet to support your opinion.
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Old 10th March 2019, 01:10 PM   #172
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Since when is backing up one's position with citations 'bulldozing in with a clever Google link'?

You have yet to support your opinion.
Remind me of what in your opinion my opinion is.
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Old 10th March 2019, 01:33 PM   #173
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Remind me of what in your opinion my opinion is.
Just what you posted:

Originally Posted by Vixen
the baby has this group of condition.*(NB: In the medical profession psoriasis, ichthyosis and eczema are variations of similar conditions and treated similarly)

I said they were grouped and treated similarly by skin specialists....
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Old 10th March 2019, 02:52 PM   #174
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
To savour ice cream at its best, you need to let it stand for ten minutes at room temperature, so bang go your ice-cream sandwiches on a minus ten degrees Kelvin scale. Your teeth would crack on it.
Nonsense. Room temperature is much too hot, ice cream would melt instantly if exposed to anything close to room temperature. The crystalline structure of ice cream depends on the molecules moving very little, lest they break the quantum lattice.
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Old 10th March 2019, 04:00 PM   #175
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
And immediately below that it says;
"Use caution–walking directions may not always reflect real-world conditions"



Which, as you say, is further down the footpath.




The information provided in Google Maps is compiled from a number of different sources. I'd be surprised if they had someone crosschecking comments against topographical data. That's why user feedback is so useful.




I'm surprised you think you can dismiss sources which clearly contradict your claims as "medical minutiae".

And at the same time somehow suggest that you, too, have not been trying to "score a point".
It says that for every walk. It's called covering your back.

The point is if I were to relate that walk is a steep uphill gradient and some poster the other side of the world were to say, wrong, Google says it's 'mostly flat', which of us is the more authentic one?
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Old 10th March 2019, 04:02 PM   #176
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Nonsense. Room temperature is much too hot, ice cream would melt instantly if exposed to anything close to room temperature. The crystalline structure of ice cream depends on the molecules moving very little, lest they break the quantum lattice.
You are talking to an ice cream practitioner.

Maybe you live in a hot country with no air-conditioning, in which case the ice cream (or Swedish glacé) will melt far too quickly. That would be a valid POV for you.
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Old 10th March 2019, 04:04 PM   #177
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Just what you posted:
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the baby has this group of condition.*(NB: In the medical profession psoriasis, ichthyosis and eczema are variations of similar conditions and treated similarly)

I said they were grouped and treated similarly by skin specialists....
And what is wrong with that? I can't see the word 'same' there as you keep claiming I averred.
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Old 10th March 2019, 04:14 PM   #178
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
You are talking to an ice cream practitioner.
Evidence? Or is this more assertion you cannot back up?

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Maybe you live in a hot country with no air-conditioning, in which case the ice cream (or Swedish glacé) will melt far too quickly. That would be a valid POV for you.
It's not your place to decide what is and isn't valid. There is only one Grand Duke of Ice Cream, and it is assuredly not you, because I was there when he was crowned by the pope in a glittering ceremony full of ritual, celebrities, and delicious treats. Ice cream melts instantly at any temperature above freezing, and boils into gas at any temperature above that. Clouds of superheated ice steam can rip through sheet metal and burn humans straight to the bones with exposures of less than two nanoseconds.
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Old 10th March 2019, 04:16 PM   #179
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Evidence? Or is this more assertion you cannot back up?



It's not your place to decide what is and isn't valid. There is only one Grand Duke of Ice Cream, and it is assuredly not you, because I was there when he was crowned by the pope in a glittering ceremony full of ritual, celebrities, and delicious treats. Ice cream melts instantly at any temperature above freezing, and boils into gas at any temperature above that. Clouds of superheated ice steam can rip through sheet metal and burn humans straight to the bones with exposures of less than two nanoseconds.
No, you're thinking of strawberry jam.
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And what is wrong with that? I can't see the word 'same' there as you keep claiming I averred.
I have to repeat whats wrong again too?

They are not variations of similar conditions. You are willfully refusing to look at why you are wrong.

Here's how they are not variations of similar conditions:
Psoriasis is an autoimmune disease.
Eczema is an allergic reaction.
Ichthyosis is a genetic mutation affecting certain proteins in the skin.
You want to keep digging your heels in, be my guest. Be wrong to your heart's content.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I have to repeat whats wrong again too?

They are not variations of similar conditions. You are willfully refusing to look at why you are wrong.

Here's how they are not variations of similar conditions:
Psoriasis is an autoimmune disease.
Eczema is an allergic reaction.
Ichthyosis is a genetic mutation affecting certain proteins in the skin.
You want to keep digging your heels in, be my guest. Be wrong to your heart's content.
Incorrect. Eczema proper (atopic) is a genetic - inherited condition - and often goes hand in hand with ichthyosis, also inherited, as is psoriasis.

You are thinking of contact dermatitis when you refer to an 'allergic reaction' and this usually is something that is acquired in adulthood, due for example, working in an industry which brings the sufferer into close contact with substances such as certain types of soap, detergents and rubber/latex products.

I specifically said they were treated similarly by skin doctors as they present with a similar 'cornification' of the skin. I never once said they were identically treated. However, focus will be on moisturisation and cortisoid creams to alleviate symptoms.
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Incorrect. Eczema proper (atopic) is a genetic - inherited condition - and often goes hand in hand with ichthyosis, also inherited, as is psoriasis.
Wow! That's some far-fetched stuff.

I'm done here. You're not only wrong and digging your heels in, you just repeated your erroneous beliefs, expounded on them and haven't posted anything supporting your claims.
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Next time Mottled Mary wants to fly without her papers, she should just distract the flight attendants with a long pointless conversation about the differences in common skin conditions. They will have arrived at their destination long before any conclusion is made.
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No, that risks the radiation mutating the viruses at the airports, turning them into ultraviruses with superpowers.
Plus, then everybody would develop skin rashes...
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Plus, then everybody would develop skin rashes...
The shocking Twilight Zone style twist is that normal skin is supposed to be red and bumpy, it's flat smooth skin that is the medical condition!
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Next time Mottled Mary wants to fly without her papers, she should just distract the flight attendants with a long pointless conversation about the differences in common skin conditions. They will have arrived at their destination long before any conclusion is made.
Nice bit of nonpartisan nicknaming there! To suggest as you seem to that it's her problem for flying "without her papers" implies that there are papers one must have in order to fly, and that although the airline made no list or public utterance stating what conditions might require papers or what papers might be acceptable, it's her fault for not figuring out ahead of time what would satisfy them.
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The shocking Twilight Zone style twist is that normal skin is supposed to be red and bumpy, it's flat smooth skin that is the medical condition!
That's been my suspicion all along.
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The shocking Twilight Zone style twist is that normal skin is supposed to be red and bumpy, it's flat smooth skin that is the medical condition!
Excellent news. My skin has never been so healthy!
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Originally Posted by Steve View Post
Excellent news. My skin has never been so healthy!
The Encyclopedia of Dermatological Disorders ...it's a cookbook! A cookbook!
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Wow! That's some far-fetched stuff.

I'm done here. You're not only wrong and digging your heels in, you just repeated your erroneous beliefs, expounded on them and haven't posted anything supporting your claims.
You clearly don't know anything about it, apart from what you looked up on Google in oh all of five nanoseconds.
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
Nice bit of nonpartisan nicknaming there! To suggest as you seem to that it's her problem for flying "without her papers" implies that there are papers one must have in order to fly, and that although the airline made no list or public utterance stating what conditions might require papers or what papers might be acceptable, it's her fault for not figuring out ahead of time what would satisfy them.
That was supposed to be a bit tongue in cheek. That very solution was proposed earlier in this thread, which I rejected quite forcefully. I don't believe the people should need to prove their disability or any other body irregularity to random idiots on airplanes.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
You clearly don't know anything about it, apart from what you looked up on Google in oh all of five nanoseconds.

Maybe you should stop digging when you find the hole over your head. If there is anyone here who know what they are talking about on medical matters, it's Skeptic Ginger. You, on the other hand, clearly do not. Even a layperson such as myself can recognize that you're just spewing unsupported rubbish.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
That was supposed to be a bit tongue in cheek. That very solution was proposed earlier in this thread, which I rejected quite forcefully. I don't believe the people should need to prove their disability or any other body irregularity to random idiots on airplanes.
Now, now, be fair: these aren't random idiots, these are highly trained waitresses and ushers. Give them the respect their medical knowledge merits.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
That was supposed to be a bit tongue in cheek. That very solution was proposed earlier in this thread, which I rejected quite forcefully. I don't believe the people should need to prove their disability or any other body irregularity to random idiots on airplanes.
Sorry if I misread. Probably coffee overdose.
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Old 12th March 2019, 06:44 AM   #195
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Sorry if I misread. Probably coffee overdose.
I think the topic of this thread is pretty clear, the difference between eczema and psoriasis. Please don't derail

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