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Old 5th March 2019, 03:11 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
No disagreement there. I was only addressing a specific argument.
Yeah, I saw that.
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Old 5th March 2019, 03:16 PM   #122
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
I think they go hand in hand:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/ichthyosis/

Treatment:

ibid

Psoriasis:



Treatment:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/psoriasis/

corticosteroids= aka Betnovate - used to treat eczema.
Take my word for it and drop this. A genetic protein deficiency is not the same as an autoimmune disease and they are not treated the same. Psoriasis and eczema have some components in common and can both treated with steroids.

Your post is an example of why lay people shouldn't try to diagnose their symptoms online.
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Old 5th March 2019, 05:46 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Take my word for it and drop this. A genetic protein deficiency is not the same as an autoimmune disease and they are not treated the same. Psoriasis and eczema have some components in common and can both treated with steroids.

Your post is an example of why lay people shouldn't try to diagnose their symptoms online.
I'm a lay person?
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Eczema, ichthyosis, psoriasis: conditions of cornification.
Burdette-Taylor SR.
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Conditions of cornification, such as eczema, ichthyosis and psoriasis, are a complex group of genetic, dry, scaly skin diseases. Without appropriate care, individuals with these conditions face a life of limited productivity and social interaction because of their disabilities and disfigurements. Consistent, meticulous interventions are needed to address the potential for infection, dehydration/malnutrition, ineffective thermoregulation, impaired physical mobility, potential for comfort, alteration in parenting, and psychosocial concerns of these patients. The objective of this article is to acquaint healthcare professionals with the unique challenges faced by these patients and their families so that quality of life and patient outcomes can be improved.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7662092

Sure, there are some types acquired in adulthood due to external factors. For example, dermatitis from working with abrasive soaps, or acquired kidney disease or thyroid deficiency. However, we are talking about little kids who have an obvious innate condition (inherited, not acquired).

The idea the parents should produce a doctors note for ignorant airline staff is laughable. The staff of American Airlines should go on a training course teaching them to recognise childhood skin conditions which are as common as almost one in five, or more.
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Old 5th March 2019, 07:39 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
I'm a lay person?
Who are you then and why did you misread and/or misunderstand the information on these conditions?
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Old 5th March 2019, 07:48 PM   #126
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7662092

Sure, there are some types acquired in adulthood due to external factors. For example, dermatitis from working with abrasive soaps, or acquired kidney disease or thyroid deficiency. However, we are talking about little kids who have an obvious innate condition (inherited, not acquired)....
That's from 1995 and not accurate in terms of discussing the disease entities.

I can't find what the persons credential stands for: SR.
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It looks like it relates to non-prescription medical interventions, nursing care.

It says all these people need emollients. And just because a condition affects the same body part doesn't make the conditions all in one class.
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Old 5th March 2019, 08:23 PM   #127
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Here, try this: eczema vs psoriasis
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Eczema, also known as dermatitis, is a collection of conditions that cause red, irritated skin. It is very common: a 2007 study found that 31.6 million Americans met general symptom criteria for eczema, and 17.8 million met the criteria for atopic dermatitis (AD), a type of eczema.

There are six types of eczema, each with its own cause and typical age of onset.
Eczema is an allergic condition in the class of conditions like hay fever and asthma.

... Psoriasis is an immune system-related skin disorder in which new skin cells are produced too rapidly, resulting in an overgrowth of dead skin cells. Normally, the skin grows new cells about once a month, but patients with psoriasis grow new skin cells every two days or so.

Unlike some forms of eczema, psoriasis most commonly develops between the ages of 15 and 35. But much like some eczemas, psoriasis has a genetic component.

There are multiple types of psoriasis. However, in contrast to eczema, there is no variation in the age of onset between the types. Likewise, all types of psoriasis have the same cause.[/quote]
Psoriasis is an autoimmune disease and is in the same class as other rheumatic diseases like Lupus and Rheumatoid Arthritis.

Differences
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Eczema and psoriasis are two conditions that are often confused for each other, but are very different. Eczema, also known as dermatitis, is a group of conditions in which the skin is hot, dry, itchy and scaly. In severe outbreaks, the skin may become raw, red and bleed. Eczema is thought to be a reaction to environmental irritants or allergies, and symptoms are worsened by stress and hormonal fluctuations. Psoriasis is a different inflammatory skin condition. It is marked by patches of raised reddish skin, covered with a whitish silver layer. The most common form (plaque psoriasis) is common on the knees, elbows, scalp and the lower back.

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In a large majority of people with the disease, the cause is related to one or more genetic mutations.

Under normal circumstances, the body continuously renews its skin surface, building new skin cells and allowing older cells to be shed from the surface. Ichthyosis disrupts this balance either because too many replacement skin cells are produced or because the skin cells do not separate well from the skin surface when it is their time to drop off. The result is that skin cells accumulate into thick flakes that adhere to the body and can resemble fish scales.
Again, that is a different disease. Lumping these conditions together is like saying tuberculosis is the same as pneumococcal pneumonia because they can both present as pneumonia.
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Old 6th March 2019, 12:53 PM   #128
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Here, try this: eczema vs psoriasisEczema is an allergic condition in the class of conditions like hay fever and asthma.

... Psoriasis is an immune system-related skin disorder in which new skin cells are produced too rapidly, resulting in an overgrowth of dead skin cells. Normally, the skin grows new cells about once a month, but patients with psoriasis grow new skin cells every two days or so.

Unlike some forms of eczema, psoriasis most commonly develops between the ages of 15 and 35. But much like some eczemas, psoriasis has a genetic component.

There are multiple types of psoriasis. However, in contrast to eczema, there is no variation in the age of onset between the types. Likewise, all types of psoriasis have the same cause.
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Psoriasis is an autoimmune disease and is in the same class as other rheumatic diseases like Lupus and Rheumatoid Arthritis.

Differences


ichthyosis

Again, that is a different disease. Lumping these conditions together is like saying tuberculosis is the same as pneumococcal pneumonia because they can both present as pneumonia.

I did not say they were all the same. I simply said skin consultants tend to group them together. Psoriasis sufferers might benefit from further sun lamp treatment, but essentially the treatment of these conditions are quite similar to each other.
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Old 6th March 2019, 01:51 PM   #129
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I did not say they were all the same. I simply said skin consultants tend to group them together. Psoriasis sufferers might benefit from further sun lamp treatment, but essentially the treatment of these conditions are quite similar to each other.
What skin consultants? Treatments are not the same. Maybe they were in 1995 when we knew a lot less about the conditions.
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This article is tl;dr but I skimmed it and it has some specific mechanisms going on with the three skin disorders. If you look at the details you can see the conditions are not the same, are not treated the same, essentially they involve overlapping skin components. Your 1995 article is out of date.

ScienceDirect: Cell death by cornification☆
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• We introduce general aspects of epidermal differentiation and cornification.

• We focus on the anti-apoptotic and anti-necrotic mechanisms acting in the epidermis.

• We review the current knowledge on nuclear and DNA degradation during cornification.

• We review what is known of the organelle degrading mechanisms during cornification.
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Epidermal keratinocytes undergo a unique form of terminal differentiation and programmed cell death known as cornification. Cornification leads to the formation of the outermost skin barrier, i.e. the cornified layer, as well as to the formation of hair and nails. Different genes are expressed in coordinated waves to provide the structural and regulatory components of cornification. Differentiation-associated keratin intermediate filaments form a complex scaffold accumulating in the cytoplasm and, upon removal of cell organelles, fill the entire cell interior mainly to provide mechanical strength. In addition, a defined set of proteins is cross-linked by transglutamination in the cell periphery to form the so-called cornified envelope. Extracellular modifications include degradation of the tight linkages between corneocytes by excreted proteases, which allows corneocyte shedding by desquamation, and stacking and modification of the excreted lipids that fill the intercellular spaces between corneocytes to provide a water-repellant barrier. In hard skin appendages such as hair and nails these tight intercorneocyte connections remain permanent. Various lines of evidence exist for a role of organelle disintegration, proteases, nucleases, and transglutaminases contributing to the actual cell death event. However, many mechanistic aspects of kearatinocyte death during cornification remain elusive. Importantly, it has recently become clear that keratinocytes activate anti-apoptotic and anti-necroptotic pathways to prevent premature cell death during terminal differentiation. This review gives an overview of the current concept of cornification as a mode of programmed cell death and the anti-cell death mechanisms in the epidermis that secure epidermal homeostasis. This article is part of a Special Section entitled: Cell Death Pathways. Guest Editors: Frank Madeo and Slaven Stekovic.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
What skin consultants? Treatments are not the same. Maybe they were in 1995 when we knew a lot less about the conditions.
I didn't say they were the same. I said they were grouped and treated similarly by skin specialists.

What skin consultants? The ones at University College Hospital in London, one of the foremost leading teaching hospitals in the UK, if not the world. Likewise St John's Hospital in Soho.

Only an ignoramus would claim psoriasis is the same as eczema. Stop wilfully putting words in my mouth.
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I didn't say they were the same. I said they were grouped and treated similarly by skin specialists.
No they are not. How many citations do I need to post.


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What skin consultants? The ones at University College Hospital in London, one of the foremost leading teaching hospitals in the UK, if not the world. Likewise St John's Hospital in Soho.
You posted one cite from 1995. What do you have from the above sources?

BTW, there's not a lot of daylight between treated similarly and treated the same.

I don't know why you keep digging your heels in here instead of reading the links I cited.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
No they are not. How many citations do I need to post.


You posted one cite from 1995. What do you have from the above sources?

BTW, there's not a lot of daylight between treated similarly and treated the same.

I don't know why you keep digging your heels in here instead of reading the links I cited.
<sigh> Some of us don't need google to get our education.
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<sigh> Some of us don't need google to get our education.
It's not about education, it's about discussing in good faith.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
It's not about education, it's about discussing in good faith.
Explain your post.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
It's not about education, it's about discussing in good faith.
Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Explain your post.
Well, some might argue that if your objective in a discussion is to "show up" the other person rather than explain or persuade, that you are not discussing in good faith. I'm sure most of us have been guilty of this at some point though.
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<sigh> Some of us don't need google to get our education.

That's the modern equivalent of "Some of us don't need libraries to get our education."

Every book in a library is not the most current gospel truth.

And yet, there is education to be found there.

Google is like a superset of libraries. Sure, there's bad information to be found there, but that by no means is equal to all of it being bad.

If you have a dispute with SG's references try disputing the validity of the references, instead of some failed ad hominem about the medium used to find them.
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That's the modern equivalent of "Some of us don't need libraries to get our education."

Every book in a library is not the most current gospel truth.

And yet, there is education to be found there.

Google is like a superset of libraries. Sure, there's bad information to be found there, but that by no means is equal to all of it being bad.

If you have a dispute with SG's references try disputing the validity of the references, instead of some failed ad hominem about the medium used to find them.
Do you really believe a reference to an obscure research paper on Google trumps all?

Take your own neighbourhood. Do you think what you have to tell me about it is not worth nearly as much as something I happened to Google in five seconds as proof I know better than you?
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Do you really believe a reference to an obscure research paper on Google trumps all?

I don't know. You didn't address the research paper, only that it could be found using Google.

You can do that now, if you'd like to actually address the argument she made.

As well as explaining why you believe this particular research paper should be described as "obscure".

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Take your own neighbourhood. Do you think what you have to tell me about it is not worth nearly as much as something I happened to Google in five seconds as proof I know better than you?

I don't know about "worth nearly as much". It could easily be different.

I'm not omniscient, even about my neighborhood.

I can certainly find out things about it that I didn't know using Google searches. I wouldn't be overwhelmed with shock or surprise if someone else could as well. Even you.

None of that addresses the content of what you might find. Finding it with Google is no different than finding it with some other tool.

I don't get the local newspaper delivered to my door. (Because it isn't very good anymore, among other reasons.) If you did, and you saw something in it which I didn't know about through the newspaper but learned about using Google to keep up with local news, would my knowledge of the same facts be diminished because I read it on The Raleigh N&O website using Google instead of the Durham Herald Sun at my doorstep?

What if I learned it by using Google to read it on the Durham Herald Sun's website? That's still using Google.

Attacking the search engine is not a meaningful way to dispute the content of something someone posted.
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I don't know. You didn't address the research paper, only that it could be found using Google.

You can do that now, if you'd like to actually address the argument she made.

As well as explaining why you believe this particular research paper should be described as "obscure".




I don't know about "worth nearly as much". It could easily be different.

I'm not omniscient, even about my neighborhood.

I can certainly find out things about it that I didn't know using Google searches. I wouldn't be overwhelmed with shock or surprise if someone else could as well. Even you.

None of that addresses the content of what you might find. Finding it with Google is no different than finding it with some other tool.

I don't get the local newspaper delivered to my door. (Because it isn't very good anymore, among other reasons.) If you did, and you saw something in it which I didn't know about through the newspaper but learned about using Google to keep up with local news, would my knowledge of the same facts be diminished because I read it on The Raleigh N&O website using Google instead of the Durham Herald Sun at my doorstep?

What if I learned it by using Google to read it on the Durham Herald Sun's website? That's still using Google.

Attacking the search engine is not a meaningful way to dispute the content of something someone posted.
I recently looked up a walk from A to B which I undertook recently. Google maps describes the walk as 'flat'. Does the fact Google says it's a flat walk mean that my personal experience of this walk actually being up a steep gradient (hey, it is part way up a mountainside!!!) is trumped by Google maps claiming it is 'flat'?
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I recently looked up a walk from A to B which I undertook recently. Google maps describes the walk as 'flat'. Does the fact Google says it's a flat walk mean that my personal experience of this walk actually being up a steep gradient (hey, it is part way up a mountainside!!!) is trumped by Google maps claiming it is 'flat'?
What can you offer other people as evidence of the correctness of your assertions? If you are unwilling or unable to provide anything to back up claims then why should anyone believe you?
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That fact that people who claim expertise in the field are still arguing about this confirms my suspicion that detecting contagious people should probably not be left up to those not trained in the field at all. Have a medical professional on call or don't attempt to make the call.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
I recently looked up a walk from A to B which I undertook recently. Google maps describes the walk as 'flat'. Does the fact Google says it's a flat walk mean that my personal experience of this walk actually being up a steep gradient (hey, it is part way up a mountainside!!!) is trumped by Google maps claiming it is 'flat'?

It just means that you may have found something using a Google search that isn't exactly right.
(Leaving aside such issues as the difference between "flat" and "level", the subjective nature of "steep", and the fact that you have not shared any links to allow other people to evaluate the validity of your claims. Which, it bears pointing, SG's posts have. Which is sort of the point. It isn't using Google as a search engine which matters, it is the content of what is found. The search engine only finds what is out there. Whether the content is good, bad, or indifferent is an entirely separate question.)
This isn't the fault of the search engine, just that of the material that was found when you used it. You seem incapable of discerning the difference.

Was that the only map that a Google search disclosed? What made you choose to use that one? Did you look for any others after you found that error? Did you report the error? Google Maps has has many crowd-sourced components and gratefully accepts corrections.

Did you think that all maps are, or should be inerrant, gospel truth? I don't. Perhaps that is because my father was a geographer by profession and taught me at an early age not to do that, but it should be somewhat obvious even without such help.
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<sigh> Some of us don't need google to get our education.
What does that mean?

I have an education, I'm a nurse practitioner. The citations were to educate you.
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Do you really believe a reference to an obscure research paper on Google trumps all?

Take your own neighbourhood. Do you think what you have to tell me about it is not worth nearly as much as something I happened to Google in five seconds as proof I know better than you?
Huh?

Didn't you post the 1995 paper that discussed skin care (as opposed to etiology and medical interventions)?

Like I said, I know about these skin conditions, I posted links to help you understand why they are not the same.
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That fact that people who claim expertise in the field are still arguing about this confirms my suspicion that detecting contagious people should probably not be left up to those not trained in the field at all. Have a medical professional on call or don't attempt to make the call.
That's not what I suggested. Management needs a proper protocol that includes guidelines as to what to be concerned about. You can do that for lay people if the guidelines are adequate. It would avoid this kind of reaction to something icky looking that was essentially not contagious.

You don't need a medical professional, you need a proper screening tool.

Consider we teach lay-persons to use defibrillators, to do CPR, to give Narcan, to give insulin, and in many cases to give first aid.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Huh?

Didn't you post the 1995 paper that discussed skin care (as opposed to etiology and medical interventions)?

Like I said, I know about these skin conditions, I posted links to help you understand why they are not the same.
I have never said they are the same. Stop putting words in my mouth. I do not need to read Google to know what the difference is. The link I posted was simply the populist NHS page. The ordinary layman does not need to pass medical exams in order to understand common conditions as you keep trying to imply.
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Old 8th March 2019, 03:39 PM   #148
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Originally Posted by quadraginta View Post
It just means that you may have found something using a Google search that isn't exactly right.
(Leaving aside such issues as the difference between "flat" and "level", the subjective nature of "steep", and the fact that you have not shared any links to allow other people to evaluate the validity of your claims. Which, it bears pointing, SG's posts have. Which is sort of the point. It isn't using Google as a search engine which matters, it is the content of what is found. The search engine only finds what is out there. Whether the content is good, bad, or indifferent is an entirely separate question.)
This isn't the fault of the search engine, just that of the material that was found when you used it. You seem incapable of discerning the difference.

Was that the only map that a Google search disclosed? What made you choose to use that one? Did you look for any others after you found that error? Did you report the error? Google Maps has has many crowd-sourced components and gratefully accepts corrections.

Did you think that all maps are, or should be inerrant, gospel truth? I don't. Perhaps that is because my father was a geographer by profession and taught me at an early age not to do that, but it should be somewhat obvious even without such help.

Here's the link. It says 'mostly flat' but none of it is flat at all. It rises to 88 metres very steeply.



They have even kindly added steps further down the footpath. further down the footpath.

Google have something on the menu called 'see terrain' and from that they can see it is higher ground as they have shaded it in themselves, so why would I need to tell them?

As for the topic at hand I have hands on knowledge and experience without having to scour Google looking for medical minutiae in order to score a point.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Sounds like a form of eczema. ....
It is not.

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I've known people with psoraiasis and it can look alarming, but it is very characteristic of a dry skin condition (scaliness, redness, dryness). Looking at the kid in the photo it is clear the baby has this group of condition. (NB: In the medical profession psoriasis, ichthyosis and eczema are variations of similar conditions and treated similarly). ...
Wrong! The are not treated the same.

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I think they go hand in hand:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/ichthyosis/
Treatment:
ibid
Psoriasis:
Treatment:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/psoriasis/
corticosteroids= aka Betnovate - used to treat eczema.
They don't go hand in hand.

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I did not say they were all the same. I simply said skin consultants tend to group them together. Psoriasis sufferers might benefit from further sun lamp treatment, but essentially the treatment of these conditions are quite similar to each other.
Wrong. They are not grouped together.

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I didn't say they were the same. I said they were grouped and treated similarly by skin specialists....
Only an ignoramus would claim psoriasis is the same as eczema. Stop wilfully putting words in my mouth.
I think you should re-read your posts.

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I have never said they are the same. Stop putting words in my mouth. I do not need to read Google to know what the difference is. The link I posted was simply the populist NHS page. The ordinary layman does not need to pass medical exams in order to understand common conditions as you keep trying to imply.
I've implied no such thing. Please quote where I said that. I've been saying the opposite, lay persons could screen airline passengers with a minimal education and guidelines.

I don't know what you mean by populist NHS page. If they are citing a 1995 paper maybe they should update their resources.


I wouldn't have taken this so far if you hadn't accused me of "willfully putting words in [your] mouth" and denying you said what you clearly said. I believe I said it was best to move along a couple pages back. It's still not to late to move along now.
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...

As for the topic at hand I have hands on knowledge and experience without having to scour Google looking for medical minutiae in order to score a point.
If this is what you think I did, that is a false accusation.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
If this is what you think I did, that is a false accusation.
OK, fair enough. You were not urging me to turn to Google to find out the differences between various skin conditions. My bad.
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Still wouldn't work, not all illnesses show up in blood tests, and you can be sick and contagious with things that don't show up until later. It's basically impossible to prove that as of the present moment someone is healthy, you can only demonstrate that as of various points in the past there hadn't been any indications of illness.
Perhaps as we do with some animals, if you want to travel you have to go into quarantine for 6 months before you travel and undergo rigorous testing through that period?
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Perhaps as we do with some animals, if you want to travel you have to go into quarantine for 6 months before you travel and undergo rigorous testing through that period?
What if it's an illness that incubates for longer than 6 months, and isn't detectable before then? No, it's far too much a risk. All travel must be forbidden. It's the only way to be safe.
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What if it's an illness that incubates for longer than 6 months, and isn't detectable before then? No, it's far too much a risk. All travel must be forbidden. It's the only way to be safe.
Nuke all the airports from orbit.
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Nuke all the airports from orbit.
No, that risks the radiation mutating the viruses at the airports, turning them into ultraviruses with superpowers. Don't you know any science at all?
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No, that risks the radiation mutating the viruses at the airports, turning them into ultraviruses with superpowers. Don't you know any science at all?
All the science I know is what I have been told by the experts. Are you an expert?
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All the science I know is what I have been told by the experts. Are you an expert?
Yes, I hold correspondence school degrees in scientonomy and scientology! With a double major in superscience and the sciencey arts. And I've run a thriving science practice for over fourteen years, providing custom scientalic solutions to various small businesses. Just this morning, for fun, I fired up my science forge and made a science, which I shall launch tonight at batfart.
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Yes, I hold correspondence school degrees in scientonomy and scientology! With a double major in superscience and the sciencey arts. And I've run a thriving science practice for over fourteen years, providing custom scientalic solutions to various small businesses. Just this morning, for fun, I fired up my science forge and made a science, which I shall launch tonight at batfart.
Thank you. I apologize for doubting you. I accept your expertise and concede that nukes are off the table. No more air travel then. From now on everyone must travel by train. That with be a sure way to prevent the spread of disease between people in confined spaces.
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What if a person had a genetic predisposition to smelling really badly. Like some kind of bowel issue. Should everyone on the plane just have to deal with it?
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What if a person had a genetic predisposition to smelling really badly. Like some kind of bowel issue. Should everyone on the plane just have to deal with it?
Or a person who talks loudly to himself but does not otherwise interact with other passengers.

This question cones down to what level of annoyance other passengers are expected to tolerate. I doubt that this can actually be defined. There will always be cases where some passengers will be treated unfairly.
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