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Old 14th March 2019, 09:31 PM   #81
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Four in custody? My God, if those other three were as deadly as this video guy then you have well over a hundred dead.
They may not all be shooters. Could be accomplices. I hope.
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Old 14th March 2019, 09:33 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
They may not all be shooters. Could be accomplices. I hope.
Video guy has no accomplices at the mosque. You ride with him the whole time and the camera is on his helmet. You see what he sees and you hear everything. He was a lone attacker and killed everyone there himself.

There is no indication given by him that he is part of any group or team or has helpers or anything like that.
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Old 14th March 2019, 09:34 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
Do you know what was illegal about him having the weapons?
To have an AR type rifle you need a special endorsement on your NZ Gun Licence. I don't see him getting a NZ Gun Licence in the first place, getting the special endorsement would be highly unlikely.

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Other sites are reporting that there may have been some return fire by citizens?
Possible, but unlikely since NZ citizens aren't allowed to carry concealed guns or pistols, so unless they had a hunting rifle in the car... The only ones that would likely be carrying and firing back would be our police, who would have a firearm in their vehicle, and of course the Armed Offenders who would have been on the scene pretty quick.
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Old 14th March 2019, 09:37 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
Do you know what was illegal about him having the weapons?
People were reporting automatic weapon fire. Automatic weapons are illegal here

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Other sites are reporting that there may have been some return fire by citizens?
That is very, very unlikely.

Citizens in NZ are not allowed to legally carry firearms in public, and handguns are very hard to get and own.

The New Zealand Police operate a firearms licensing system, but only certain classes of weapons are registered, namely handguns, military style semiautomatics, and restricted weapons. In order to possess these types of weapons license holders must also obtain license endorsements, which are only granted in limited circumstances. Permits to procure such weapons must also be obtained.
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Old 14th March 2019, 09:38 PM   #85
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At no time in this video does anyone shoot at this guy. But maybe he drove to another mosque and shot some more and then somebody shot at him.
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Old 14th March 2019, 09:43 PM   #86
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Video guy had semi-auto assault-style rifles and also various shotguns. I saw no handguns. He continually reloaded with high capacity banana magazines.

He had a station wagon. Guns on the passenger seat and guns back in the cargo area. Everything loaded and ready and spare magazines all over the place. Cans of gasoline.
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Old 14th March 2019, 09:43 PM   #87
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
At no time in this video does anyone shoot at this guy. But maybe he drove to another mosque and shot some more and then somebody shot at him.
I would seriously doubt that anyone would have a gun apart from the dudes and dudette
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
People were reporting automatic weapon fire. Automatic weapons are illegal here



That is very, very unlikely.

Citizens in NZ are not allowed to legally carry firearms in public, and handguns are very hard to get and own.

The New Zealand Police operate a firearms licensing system, but only certain classes of weapons are registered, namely handguns, military style semiautomatics, and restricted weapons. In order to possess these types of weapons license holders must also obtain license endorsements, which are only granted in limited circumstances. Permits to procure such weapons must also be obtained.
By automatic do you mean semi-automatic? The terms are often used interchangeably, unfortunately.

I already assumed machine guns were illegal there.

The return fire was supposedly from long guns, but I agree it's probably just the typical bad reporting you get in these situations.
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Apparently a member of the public managed to get the gun off the Linwood mosque one and shot at him as he drove off
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I don't understand something about his assault rifle. It had a flashing white light on the front. Like a bright strobe light. It was strobing even when he wasn't shooting. What is that?
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I don't understand something about his assault rifle. It had a flashing white light on the front. Like a bright strobe light. It was strobing even when he wasn't shooting. What is that?
It blinds anyone opposing him, but helps him see.
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The "kebab remover" seems to be a reference to a Murdoch Murdoch episode -- Sargon the Afraid.

"Is that the laser weapon we've been funding for Israel?"

"The Palestinian Remover 9000. The only thing I like about Jews is how good they are at removing kebabs."

https://youtu.be/V2-W9za0fF8?t=440

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God,,New Zealand....just about the last country I thought this would happen in.
The country must be in a state of shock;I do get the feeling that a great many Kiwis seem to think they are pretty insulated from a lot of the crap that goes on in the world. Not the case.
This is just about the first time a anti Muslim attack like this was so well organized. Most of the time it's "The Lone Wolf" type.
I wonder what some of our resident Islamophobes will have to say about this. One of them is already here,complete with Crodidile tears about this tragedy.
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I don't understand something about his assault rifle. It had a flashing white light on the front. Like a bright strobe light. It was strobing even when he wasn't shooting. What is that?
Uh, why does this matter?
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
The "kebab remover" seems to be a reference to a Murdoch Murdoch episode -- Sargon the Afraid.

"Is that the laser weapon we've been funding for Israel?"

"The Palestinian Remover 9000. The only thing I like about Jews is how good they are at removing kebabs."

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Real classy guy.

Maybe some people here should think about where this kind of bigotry..even the "non violent" kind..inevitably leads to.
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Lockdown of some schools are coming off.

Including Linwood at the school they arrested one of them
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Uh, why does this matter?
I only asked the question so that you could come along and ask why the question matters.
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Apparently a member of the public managed to get the gun off the Linwood mosque one and shot at him as he drove off
Good to hear, if true.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
God,,New Zealand....just about the last country I thought this would happen in.
The country must be in a state of shock;I do get the feeling that a great many Kiwis seem to think they are pretty insulated from a lot of the crap that goes on in the world. Not the case.
This is just about the first time a anti Muslim attack like this was so well organized. Most of the time it's "The Lone Wolf" type.
I wonder what some of our resident Islamophobes will have to say about this. One of them is already here,complete with Crodidile tears about this tragedy.
If there really are multiple shooters, then it does seem like we are seeing a new level of right-wing terrorism.

The scary thing is, if that is the case, this should not come as a surprise to any of us.
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I only asked the question so that you could come along and ask why the question matters.
Glad to be of service.
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I don't understand something about his assault rifle. It had a flashing white light on the front. Like a bright strobe light. It was strobing even when he wasn't shooting. What is that?
It's called Kryptonite

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On Prime News they were talking to a Iman who was sating that reports are that there could be up to 100 dead according to one of those inside the first mosque.

The are also reporting that they have recovered an AR-15 and a SKS (both would need endorsements) also an extended magazine that would have been resisted.
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And this, of course, will fire up some of the extremists
Isis wannabes on the other side.
That is what is bad:extremists feed off of each other.
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If there really are multiple shooters, then it does seem like we are seeing a new level of right-wing terrorism.

The scary thing is, if that is the case, this should not come as a surprise to any of us.
I wonder how many people around him ignored the clues? Or maybe even flat out didn't report illegal activities?
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School lockdown has been lifted, but residents are still being urged to stay inside.
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I wonder how many people around him ignored the clues? Or maybe even flat out didn't report illegal activities?
"But he was so quiet and polite".....

Too soon to tell, but sometimes there are no clues. Madmen don't always behave the way they do on TV.
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I wonder how many people around him ignored the clues? Or maybe even flat out didn't report illegal activities?
They are reporting that he is a white supremacist and has been planning this attack for 2 years! Someone had to know.
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They are reporting that he is a white supremacist and has been planning this attack for 2 years! Someone had to know.
Shouldn't being a white supremacist already be a hate crime, though?

It is by definition discriminatory and hateful.
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"But he was so quiet and polite".....

Too soon to tell, but sometimes there are no clues. Madmen don't always behave the way they do on TV.
His web presence seems to be a giant clue that he should be locked up, or at least closely watched.
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Shouldn't being a white supremacist already be a hate crime, though?

It is by definition discriminatory and hateful.
No more that most other countries.
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1 News is reporting that the defense forces have been called in and have made safe a number of IEDs found under cars about the area.

Prime Minister has said we need to be prepared for a unprecedented number of deaths.
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Four in custody? My God, if those other three were as deadly as this video guy then you have well over a hundred dead.
I'm not at all sure there were other shooters - the scant evidence so far is only showing one shooter. Still a very confused situation.

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God,,New Zealand....just about the last country I thought this would happen in.
Me too. He is an Aussie, though.

It'll make a change for us to deport one back there when he finishes his sentence. I'm guessing he'll become an honorary member of Head Hunters in jail.

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Also reporting multiple IEDs found
"Multiple IEDs" at this stage appears to be "cans of petrol".

I see nothing sophisticated about the attack yet, aside from getting his hands on guns he shouldn't have.

He was posting at 4Chan just before he left home, apparently.
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The NZ Army Combat Engineers are having a busy day......inmost countries, the CE's are the ones who handle IEDs/
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I wonder how many people around him ignored the clues? Or maybe even flat out didn't report illegal activities?
Good question.
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
No more that most other countries.
Well, if you have hate crime laws already, it seems like that should include white supremacy.
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Old 14th March 2019, 10:08 PM   #118
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Regional Flights out of Christchurch have been cancelled. Oh and the Cricket Test scheduled for tomorrow has been cancelled too, the Bangladesh Team is heading home.
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Old 14th March 2019, 10:11 PM   #119
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
I would seriously doubt that anyone would have a gun apart from the dudes and dudette
Fox News is reporting that someone did return fire.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/multiple-...ealand-mosques
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Mark Nichols told the New Zealand Herald he heard about five gunshots and that a Friday prayer-goer returned fire with a rifle or shotgun.
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Old 14th March 2019, 10:13 PM   #120
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Al Noor is the mosque shown in the video.

My guess is that he then drove to another mosque and did more killing.

No need for any accomplices. He was a one man killing machine.
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