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Old 15th June 2022, 10:12 AM   #1
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Big News About Aliens

Oh. Wow (qv)!

China says its giant 'Sky Eye' telescope may have picked up signals from alien civilizations

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/china-says...111730384.html

Oh dear. Maybe not.

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Zhang was also quoted by the newspaper as saying the new signals could just be radio interference.
Never mind.
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Old 15th June 2022, 08:02 PM   #2
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It's just Klingons on Uranus.

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Researchers with Beijing Normal University...
So is there a Beijing Abnormal University?
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Old 16th June 2022, 05:18 AM   #3
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It's even worse than we first thought!

There Could Be Four Hostile Civilizations in the Milky Way

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Alberto Caballero offered some fresh insights into the Wow! Signal and extraterrestrial intelligence in our cosmic neighborhood. In the first paper, he surveyed nearby Sun-like stars to identify a possible source for the signal. In the second, he estimates the prevalence of hostile extraterrestrial civilizations in the Milky Way Galaxy and the likelihood that they’ll invade us.
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His analysis showed that a maximum of four malicious civilizations would be within earshot of our transmissions.
But don't worry too much as the stats are in our favour.

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As Caballero said, this indicates that an alien invasion is not the greatest existential threat facing humanity:
https://www.universetoday.com/156281...the-milky-way/

The whole article is actually a pretty thorough discussion of the Wow! SignalWP and SETI in general..
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Old 16th June 2022, 05:48 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
It's just Klingons on Uranus.



So is there a Beijing Abnormal University?

To cheap to do it for yourself, eh?

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Beiji...mal+University
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Old 16th June 2022, 07:45 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
To cheap to do it for yourself, eh?

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Beiji...mal+University
Why should I do anything for myself when I can get some knucklehead to do the work?
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Old 16th June 2022, 09:01 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by shemp View Post
Why should I do anything for myself when I can get some knucklehead to do the work?
Knuckleheads do what knuckleheads must do, I 'spose. My turn in the barrel this week.

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Old 22nd June 2022, 02:30 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
It's even worse than we first thought!

There Could Be Four Hostile Civilizations in the Milky Way



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But don't worry too much as the stats are in our favour.



https://www.universetoday.com/156281...the-milky-way/

The whole article is actually a pretty thorough discussion of the Wow! SignalWP and SETI in general..
The Four Civilizations seems very Babylon 5 to me.
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Old 22nd June 2022, 05:26 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
Oh. Wow (qv)!

Desperate to be seen as a progressive 21st century country, instead of the xenophobic, genocidal regime it actually is, China says its giant 'Sky Eye' telescope may have picked up signals from alien civilizations
What the headline should read.
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Old 22nd June 2022, 05:56 PM   #9
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The logic used to flag aliens as hostile relies entirely on extrapolating human characteristics (X groups tend to invade neighbors Y times over Z centuries). Extrapolation is always iffy, and assuming that other lifeforms with nothing that we know of in common with us will act similarly is a giant, unsupported leap of faith.

You don't have the slightest knowledge that aliens even exist and what form they might take, and you are already psychoanalyzing them?

IOW, nonsense.
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Old 22nd June 2022, 07:36 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
What the headline should read.
Yeh, Who do they think they are? The "History" Channel?
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Old 22nd June 2022, 10:40 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Sherman Bay View Post
The logic used to flag aliens as hostile relies entirely on extrapolating human characteristics (X groups tend to invade neighbors Y times over Z centuries). Extrapolation is always iffy, and assuming that other lifeforms with nothing that we know of in common with us will act similarly is a giant, unsupported leap of faith.

You don't have the slightest knowledge that aliens even exist and what form they might take, and you are already psychoanalyzing them?

IOW, nonsense.
We know they evolved by natural selection, which is actually quite a lot to have in common with us.
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We know they evolved by natural selection, which is actually quite a lot to have in common with us.
I'm not sure we know that. Their progenitors undoubtedly did, but the aliens we run into might be a genetically tailored race for whatever environment we find them in, or it might be a machine race created by an earlier biological race, or probably all manner of possibilities that haven't occurred to me yet.
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Old 24th June 2022, 06:10 AM   #13
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I'm not sure we know that. Their progenitors undoubtedly did, but the aliens we run into might be a genetically tailored race for whatever environment we find them in, or it might be a machine race created by an earlier biological race, or probably all manner of possibilities that haven't occurred to me yet.

A number of science fiction stories use the idea of an alien species that evolved from something other than primates and retains psychological traits found in their ancestor species, such as the Shongairi in David Weber's "Out of the Dark". They had canine ancestors and retained a pack mentality and a tendency to submit to superiors, which made it more difficult for them to respond appropriately to human behavior during their invasion.
One of the Starfire novels had an alien species that possessed immortality through reincarnation. When one of them died their consciousness was stored in a sort of collective mental "pool" until a new body was born. Some people could remember their past lives better than others, just like how some people are naturally better singers than others, but everyone could remember their past lives to various degrees. It made their soldiers fearless in battle because they knew they'd be back eventually. The problem was that they thought every intelligent species was the same way. They couldn't understand why their enemies got so upset when they executed wounded enemy soldiers or nuked an entire city to eliminate a handful of rebels. They didn't realize they were permanently killing people.
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Old 24th June 2022, 08:22 AM   #14
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We know they evolved by natural selection, which is actually quite a lot to have in common with us.
If they exist, I think it would be entirely possible that we would have a lot in common with them. The same natural laws that have shaped the evolution of lifeforms on earth might produce similar results elsewhere. If the environment on the planet is similar to our own, even more so. If they have oceans with ocean creatures in them, they might resemble the fish in our oceans. It's a design that works. Like how dolphins and sharks look sort of similar. Convergent evolution.

Land-based animals tend to have legs. Quadrupeds are common. But if they are intelligent and technological they might be bipedal with forelimbs that evolved to manipulate objects, like our hands. Their limbs might be quite different of course, but still adapted not for walking but for using tools.
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We don't need to know anything about what the aliens are like in order to figure out that they'll do what the laws of physics say they have no choice but to do. Interstellar distances & travel times are so ridiculous that it simply can't be worth the bother while your home planet & star can still be used. Thus, the only way one species will ever arrive at another's home is when the travelers' home is not usable anymore, which makes taking over another planet a simple unavoidable matter of survival or extinction. Under that pressure, nobody would care whether their new home already has squatters who would object. So there's no way such contact can fail to be an all-out, exterminate-or-be-exterminated, invasion.
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We don't need to know anything about what the aliens are like in order to figure out that they'll do what the laws of physics say they have no choice but to do. Interstellar distances & travel times are so ridiculous that it simply can't be worth the bother while your home planet & star can still be used. Thus, the only way one species will ever arrive at another's home is when the travelers' home is not usable anymore, which makes taking over another planet a simple unavoidable matter of survival or extinction. Under that pressure, nobody would care whether their new home already has squatters who would object. So there's no way such contact can fail to be an all-out, exterminate-or-be-exterminated, invasion.
Maybe the planet is big enough for both of the species to coexist peacefully, and learn from each other. Why does it have to be exterminate or be exterminated?
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Thank God we have the Space Force.
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Thank God we have the Space Force.
Yeah, maybe they can prevent your furry friend from getting butt ****** by the aliens.
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Maybe the planet is big enough for both of the species to coexist peacefully, and learn from each other. Why does it have to be exterminate or be exterminated?
I can see an enlightened alien species thinking that, but the other species is humankind.
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I can see an enlightened alien species thinking that, but the other species is humankind.
You are therefore a misanthrope like Jonathan Swift.
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Launch Pad Astronomy did a video explaining the science behind this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrm2NnGSf8Y

If you want to know what techniques they use to determine whether the signal is really coming from outer space or some sort of radio interference, he explains how they do that, or at least how they try to.
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Maybe the planet is big enough for both of the species to coexist peacefully, and learn from each other. Why does it have to be exterminate or be exterminated?

I recommend Children of Time and its sequel. It's the best sf novel about the difficulties communicating with intelligent aliens I have ever read. (And they aren't even that alien, which only makes it worse! )
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What the headline should read.
What the headline really should said:-

China says its giant boondoggle 'Sky Eye' telescope picked up nothing but radio interference.

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Zhang was also quoted by the newspaper as saying the new signals could just be aliens. "I mean", said Zhang, "If the US can spout such BS in a desperate attempt to stay relevant, why not us?"
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I can see an enlightened alien species thinking that, but the other species is humankind.
I can see an enlightened alien species thinking that some humans need to be exterminated so the rest of us can coexist peacefully.
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