The Johnny Depp/Amber Heard thing

[Cain]

Originally Posted by Jules Galen

...the cop is a proud Lesbian!

Shocker.

[rjh01]

Originally Posted by Jules Galen

Well...she's open about her Lesbianism and proud of her choices and her girlfriend and doesn't hesitate to tell the world. Yet....somehow your mighty logic has led you to conclude that there is a significant chance this woman is homophobic?

I am in awe of your deductive powers.

You may have quoted my post, but what you have said is not related to it and your conclusions are meaningless.

[Jules Galen]

Johnny's Playing Hard Ball

Previously, Amber had asked for $55K/Month, Johnny's Condo/Penthouse Suites, the Range Rover and Legal Fees. So...Johnny comes back with an offer that is $50K/Month for 8 Months, and a Mutual Restraining Order - and no Range Rover and no Condo. Amber says no - that she's not the violent one despite her documented legal history of domestic violence - and that Johnny's Deal is no Deal at all (Seems like Amber is hung up on the Mutual Restraining Order).

Well, with Johnny, it was take it or leave it, so now the process continues and....I bet Johnny has got big surprise for Amber come the restraining Order Trial on June 17. I figure he's got some really incriminating Video...which is just what Johnny's insistence on a Mutual Restraining order would imply. I could be wrong...but Johnny has played it textbook perfect so far and allowed Amber and Company to make all the mistakes - so I just won't underestimate Johnny.


https://inoutstar.com/amber-heard-tu...rotection-4166

[mgidm86]

Slow news day? I know people who are divorced too. Hey, I'm one of them. News at never.

[Klimax]

Originally Posted by mgidm86

Slow news day? I know people who are divorced too. Hey, I'm one of them. News at never.

Throw in some accusations or two like violence and it's good goods for tabloid and co.

[Darth Rotor]

For another laugh riot regarding Heard and Depp, see the Katering gals spoof video of their stiff apology. Nice bit of parody of the idiotic apology about the dog thing for the Heard/Depp duo.

[Jules Galen]

Well...looks like Amber has dropped the suit for spousal support because:

"In light of the coordinated false and negative media campaign falsely depicting my attempts to attain a CLETS [California Law Enforcement Telecommunications System] Domestic Violence Order as being financially motivated, I am hereby withdrawing my request," read Heard's statement.

https://mic.com/articles/146384/ambe...why#.7tRfhI9lG

So...Amber can now concentrate on pressing the issue for a Restraining Order while not being called a "Gold Digger"...Right. NO. It appears that Amber will not take Johnny to court for the Restraining Order as promised:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...icle-1.2676339

Now...all Johnny has got to do is wait her out. Time is now on Johnny's side.

Hallelujah...Praise the Lord!

[Jules Galen]

Amber Heard never went to London for her costume fitting this week -- which is why her lawyers said she was unavailable for a deposition -- because she says the production crew felt she was too skinny, having lost 20 pounds because of what she says is overwhelming stress.


https://www.tmz.com/2016/06/16/amber...g-johnny-depp/

Yeah...Right!

Amber won't file a Police Report...Won't make a Deposition...Won't testify at a Trial. Seems like she'll say anything except that for which she could be held accountable.

[bytewizard]

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"In light of the coordinated false and negative media campaign falsely depicting my ..."

More proof of the 'Vast Right Wing Conspiracy'!

[Jules Galen]

According to TMZ:

We've learned Johnny's lawyer, Laura Wasser, and Amber's attorney, Samantha Spector, had a telephone conference with the judge Thursday afternoon and Wasser asked for a continuance so her team could take the depositions of Amber and others. She also said both sides wanted to talk settlement.


In other words (I speculate), the Judge found out that Amber never went to London like she said she was going to do and so is going to give Johnny and is Lawyer what they originally wanted (the Depositions and Delay) because...the Judge feels he's been deceived (I could be wrong...but I don't think so).

This is really good for Johnny. Now Johnny can get a look at all the evidence against him before he takes Amber to court. -OR- Johnny can gather the evidence he needs to make Amber fold and sign a deal on his terms.

However, I really do not expect Amber to testify at a Deposition....much less a Trial. No way. No how. (I think the Australian Doggy Incident has taught Amber well the dangers of making "mis-statements" on the Public Record) Now, I figure there is nothing really to do but give her some change and send her on her way.

[Corsair 115]

Originally Posted by Jules Galen

Amber won't file a Police Report...Won't make a Deposition...Won't testify at a Trial. Seems like she'll say anything except that for which she could be held accountable.

She doesn't need to—remember "Listen and Believe"?

[Jules Galen]

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

She doesn't need to—remember "Listen and Believe"?

Ahhh...did some reading and found out what you meant.

Well, if the judge is a man-hating Feminist Lesbian, there could be a problem.

Otherwise, I think Johnny is ok.

[Corsair 115]

Originally Posted by Jules Galen

Otherwise, I think Johnny is ok.

In legal court, probably. In the court of public opinion, at least in some circles, perhaps not.

[Jules Galen]

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

In legal court, probably. In the court of public opinion, at least in some circles, perhaps not.

Hey...there's going to be some people that hate Johnny no matter what - he can't help that. However, what Johnny can do is get this thing silenced...get Amber paid off...and then let her (Amber) fall off the radar screen into oblivion while he continues with his career.

Seriously...in one year, hardly anyone will remember this.

[Lorentz]

Originally Posted by Cain

You're right, of course, but everybody makes mistakes. My mother did.

So did my ex...

[Darth Rotor]

@Lorentz: if your ex was Cain's mother, that would be some strange Karma.

[Polaris]

Originally Posted by Jules Galen

Hey...there's going to be some people that hate Johnny no matter what - he can't help that. However, what Johnny can do is get this thing silenced...get Amber paid off...and then let her (Amber) fall off the radar screen into oblivion while he continues with his career.

Seriously...in one year, hardly anyone will remember this.

Hell I don't remember this now until the thread gets bumped.

[Joey McGee]

Personally, I'm shocked that a celebrity drinks too much, does coke, and mistreats his crazy girlfriend who drinks too much, does coke and mistreats her girlfriends. Next you'll tell me that heavy metal rockers use heroin to inspire their lyrics.

[Jules Galen]

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

Personally, I'm shocked that a celebrity drinks too much, does coke, and mistreats his crazy girlfriend who drinks too much, does coke and mistreats her girlfriends. Next you'll tell me that heavy metal rockers use heroin to inspire their lyrics.

And don't forget that Johnny is one hell of a Rock Guitar Player. Johnny isn't touring with Alice Cooper and Joe Perry because he's a movie star - he's touring with them because he's one of the best Guitarists in Rock-n-Roll.

http://loudwire.com/hollywood-vampir...uitar-lessons/

Also, don't forget that Johnny isn't the one here with a documented history Domestic Violence - that would be Amber Heard (his soon-to-be ex-wife).

https://www.tmz.com/2016/06/07/amber...tasya-van-ree/

Women love Johnny. He's a Movie Star and a Rock Star...and many other things that women love.

http://pets.people.com/people/galler...190930,00.html

[Joey McGee]

Johnny's rockstardom and success doesn't change anything for me. He probably did most of what she says he did. And she probably had some sins too... doesn't mean it's equal. My only point this entire thread has been, don't do coke kids, booze and coke is special and combines in your body to make a new even scarier drug, this is bad. I personally don't hate either of them, both of them are equal people in my mind.

[Jules Galen]

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

Johnny's rockstardom and success doesn't change anything for me. He probably did most of what she says he did. And she probably had some sins too... doesn't mean it's equal. My only point this entire thread has been, don't do coke kids, booze and coke is special and combines in your body to make a new even scarier drug, this is bad. I personally don't hate either of them, both of them are equal people in my mind.

Well...now she has a venue in which to prove it. Let's see her take her best shot at it. So far, she has been quite unimpressive.

[Joey McGee]

A good defense would be

a) Johnny doesn't do coke
b) Johnny doesn't drink too much
c) Johnny doesn't even black out

Since all of these things are obviously false, her testimony and the testimony of her friends will be credible until their credibility is suitably destroyed with obvious evidence, which is unlikely. What is likely is that her story is weak because it's circumstantial, police found no evidence of a crime after the call etc. that's what makes this likely to become history.

Johnny will probably walk away from this, and Amber I have equal respect for her. I don't judge people by their worst day.

But that doesn't mean that we can't learn lessons.

Kids, please, don't do coke.

[Corsair 115]

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

He probably did most of what she says he did.

He says this, on a skeptic's forum no less. Evidence? Facts? Proof? Pffft! (Listen and Believe™ apparently claims yet another mind.)

[Joey McGee]

Yeah she probably didn't fake the bruise on her face and lie about the phone, her friend probably didn't lie about the clumps of hair on the floor. Probably, that's my opinion, I forgot some of you were looking for solids so as to be able to have ammunition to recruit for your respective cults.

[Jules Galen]

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

He says this, on a skeptic's forum no less. Evidence? Facts? Proof? Pffft! (Listen and Believe™ apparently claims yet another mind.)

What's even crazier is that he says it when so much of the evidence to date points the other way! But...like I said earlier, "Amber now has a Venue in which to prove her allegations".

But it's funny, people are going to believe what they want to believe - like the people who say that Johnny got in trouble for smuggling dogs to Australia and then Apologized. NOPE. Johhnny never smuggled dogs, so he never got charged and wasn't going to get charged. Also, Johnny never apologized to anyone for smuggling Dogs - it was Amber and Amber Alone who apologized (Johnny was there just supporting his wife - like a good husband should):

Transcript

Heard: "Australia is a wonderful island with a treasure trove of unique plants, animals and people."

Depp: "It has to be protected."

Heard: "Australia is free of many pests and diseases that are commonplace around the world. That is why Australia has to have such strong biosecurity laws."

Depp: "Australians are just as unique; both warm and direct. When you disrespect Australian law, they will tell your firmly."

Heard: "I am truly sorry that Pistol and Boo were not declared. Protecting Australia is important."

Depp: "Declare everything when you enter Australia...thanks."

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Also, I am quite sure that Johnny finagled the truth a bit in the Australian Court in order to keep Amber out of Hot Water - which is a damned noble thing for a Husband to do.

[Corsair 115]

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

Yeah she probably didn't fake the bruise on her face and lie about the phone, her friend probably didn't lie about the clumps of hair on the floor.

Was this 'bruise' verified by medical examination? You know, the way it would have been if a violent act had been reported to the police?

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

Probably, that's my opinion, I forgot some of you were looking for solids so as to be able to have ammunition to recruit for your respective cults.

Somewhere in that word salad there is a point, I presume.

[Klimax]

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

Yeah she probably didn't fake the bruise on her face and lie about the phone, her friend probably didn't lie about the clumps of hair on the floor. Probably, that's my opinion, I forgot some of you were looking for solids so as to be able to have ammunition to recruit for your respective cults.

Impressive. Evidence-less assertions are believable. Skipping inconvenient stuff like her own attacks against him. (Thanks, no need for evidence, though there seems to be more evidence for this then the other way) Also she cannot lie nor do other heinous stuff. Only men can. And couple of logical fallacies including poisoning the well as well.

You'd do far better to use critical thinking. For now you are not using it at all, Just believe her crap... Sorry, that's just pure idiocy. There is better basis for this to be false accusation in order to get money and harm reputation then something real.

[Joey McGee]

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

Was this 'bruise' verified by medical examination? You know, the way it would have been if a violent act had been reported to the police?

Well, I don't know if you've been hit in the face before, but I have, lots of times, for various obvious and non-obvious reasons, and sometimes it doesn't show up for many hours. Plus I'm neutral here.

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Somewhere in that word salad there is a point, I presume.

You know less about this than I do and you're taking sides, I don't have to have a doctorate in philosophy to take the piss.

[Joey McGee]

Originally Posted by Klimax

Impressive. Evidence-less assertions are believable.

Uhm, yes obviously, then eyewitness accounts would be worth zero instead of scientifically questionable... do you know what you're talking about?

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Skipping inconvenient stuff like her own attacks against him.

Wow I actually addressed that and said I didn't take sides "THANKS"

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(Thanks, no need for evidence, though there seems to be more evidence for this then the other way) Also she cannot lie nor do other heinous stuff. Only men can. And couple of logical fallacies including poisoning the well as well.

Seems you imagined all of this since I demonstrated a respectable neutrality which you missed which is bad.

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Just believe her crap...

I have been so neutral in all of my wording, all I really said is don't do coke and my opinions, belief doesn't enter into it. You have misrepresented and misread me to the extreme and that's fine with me because I 100% expected it. Have a nice day.

[Corsair 115]

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

Well, I don't know if you've been hit in the face before, but I have, lots of times, for various obvious and non-obvious reasons, and sometimes it doesn't show up for many hours.

You are aware, are you not, that movie and TV makeup artists routinely are able to create realistic-looking bruises, cuts, and other injuries as part of their craft? Even a moderately talented artist could create an injury that would look convincing in a photo. And bear in mind Heard works in entertainment industry.

I'd give much more weight to a police report and/or testimony from a physician or police officer than just some photo posted to social media.

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

Plus I'm neutral here.You know less about this than I do and you're taking sides, I don't have to have a doctorate in philosophy to take the piss.

Uh, you're the one who said:

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

He probably did most of what she says he did.

Now, remind me, who's taking sides here?

[Klimax]

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

Well, I don't know if you've been hit in the face before, but I have, lots of times, for various obvious and non-obvious reasons, and sometimes it doesn't show up for many hours. Plus I'm neutral here.You know less about this than I do and you're taking sides, I don't have to have a doctorate in philosophy to take the piss.

There are quite few ways to get some nice addition to face. And when one does coke or other substance then probability goes up, not down. And there is some distinct lack of evidence that they exist(ed). Not to speak of lack of evidence that they were caused by Depp...

Also, sorry but you don't sound neutral. Your post are very far from neutral point of view. Dismissing lack of evidence and similar posturing (like giving her far more credence) has nothing to do with being neutral.

[Joey McGee]

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

You are aware, are you not, that movie and TV makeup artists routinely are able to create realistic-looking bruises, cuts, and other injuries as part of their craft? Even a moderately talented artist could create an injury that would look convincing in a photo. And bear in mind Heard works in entertainment industry.

I'd give much more weight to a police report and/or testimony from a physician or police officer than just some photo posted to social media.

That's a conspiracy theory, and I think it's more likely that something hit her in the face. Sure, it's POSSIBLE, but then people told me the same thing when the rob ford crack videos came out.

lol

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Uh, you're the one who said:




Now, remind me, who's taking sides here?

Google the terms qualifier and probably and then get back to me... Dude, why would she lie completely? No that makes no sense. Too much coke and booze makes sense. He's 52 she's 30 she put up with it for too long, he's slipping brains can't handle coke and booze that many years straight, it's what happens... have you been living under a rock?

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

Maybe it was wrong of me to do so, but I will confess the above made me laugh.

Yeah, credit goes to me because I made that joke at my own expense, omg why are you gloating lol

[Klimax]

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

Uhm, yes obviously, then eyewitness accounts would be worth zero instead of scientifically questionable... do you know what you're talking about?Wow I actually addressed that and said I didn't take sides "THANKS"Seems you imagined all of this since I demonstrated a respectable neutrality which you missed which is bad.

I have been so neutral in all of my wording, all I really said is don't do coke and my opinions, belief doesn't enter into it. You have misrepresented and misread me to the extreme and that's fine with me because I 100% expected it. Have a nice day.

So, no evidence. Thanks. There is even less evidence for her claims then there is for her attacks against others. And no, you are not neutral. Not even by long shot. Your posts would in light of gross absence of evidence look distinctly different.

Faking things is easy. Lying and making stuff up is easy too. The only current correct response is to wait. So far there is nothing but allegations which are cheap to make.

Originally Posted by Corsair 115

You are aware, are you not, that movie and TV makeup artists routinely are able to create realistic-looking bruises, cuts, and other injuries as part of their craft? Even a moderately talented artist could create an injury that would look convincing in a photo. And bear in mind Heard works in entertainment industry.
...

Forget professionals. My sister cosplays main character from French (web)serial Le Visiteur du Futur and people constantly ask her what happened!

It's cheap to look beaten up with blood all over.

[Joey McGee]

Originally Posted by Klimax

There are quite few ways to get some nice addition to face. And when one does coke or other substance then probability goes up, not down. And there is some distinct lack of evidence that they exist(ed). Not to speak of lack of evidence that they were caused by Depp...

Also, sorry but you don't sound neutral. Your post are very far from neutral point of view. Dismissing lack of evidence and similar posturing (like giving her far more credence) has nothing to do with being neutral.

None of that made enough sense to reply to, make of that what you will.

[Klimax]

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

That's a conspiracy theory, and I think it's more likely that something hit her in the face. Sure, it's POSSIBLE, but then people told me the same thing when the rob ford crack videos came out.

lol

Google the terms qualifier and probably and then get back to me... Dude, why would she lie completely? No that makes no sense. Too much coke and booze makes sense. He's 52 she's 30 she put up with it for too long, he's slipping brains can't handle coke and booze that many years straight, it's what happens... have you been living under a rock?

Yeah, credit goes to me because I made that joke at my own expense, omg why are you gloating lol

Without any evidence to back her claims, she as well may lie. After all she is trying to get significant amount of stuff from him soo she has very good profit motive to lie.

But thanks for proving your "neutrality"...

[Joey McGee]

Originally Posted by Klimax

So, no evidence. Thanks. There is even less evidence for her claims then there is for her attacks against others,

I read about clumps of hair on the floor and bruises. There is a police report from when she fought with her gf, no bruises or pulled hair there. Wow, you have an actual document because it was in public not a condo. Conversation over you lose.

I am neutral. I love Johnny. I wish he was here I wouldn't even mention it, I'd just talk like nothing happened.

Not that I think he is innocent, because I think he is a good guy, and we have courts and the press and I have better things to do than chastise random people, that's not my role, that's the court's role, and I don't have any evidence that says I shouldn't be his friend, plus I don't know what to forgive him for, I have no SOLID evidence.

[Klimax]

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

None of that made enough sense to reply to, make of that what you will.

Your problem, not mine. It's very simple post...

I'll try to make it even more simpler:
No evidence about injuries. No evidence they were done by third party. There are many ways to injure your pretty face yourself. And drugs like coke increase probability of injury.

Simple enough?

[Klimax]

Originally Posted by Joey McGee

I read about clumps of hair on the floor and bruises. There is a police report from when she fought with her gf, no bruises or pulled hair there. Wow, you have an actual document because it was in public not a condo. Conversation over you lose.

I am neutral. I love Johnny. I wish he was here I wouldn't even mention it, I'd just talk like nothing happened.

Buyer of Golden Gate Bridge will believe you on that...

[Joey McGee]

Just because you have identified a motive for someone to be biased, doesn't mean that they are actually biased in that way. I have read over 50 books on the psychology of bias and belief and meaning, as well as dozens on crime. Also, I watch A&E. She wouldn't lie, it's the narrative that she's telling that is getting your skepticism up, it's victim culture, it's self serving, I know that, a lot of people know that, like Standhope knows it, but she's not a complete liar there is nuance here, that stuff happened, the story she is telling is probably a little bit self-serviing but that's what anyone would do. Eat your sour Gilbert Grapes and go home with that

[Joey McGee]

Originally Posted by Klimax

Your problem, not mine. It's very simple post...

I'll try to make it even more simpler:
No evidence about injuries. No evidence they were done by third party. There are many ways to injure your pretty face yourself. And drugs like coke increase probability of injury.

Simple enough?

In some parts of the country they'll buy that defense lawyer pedantic ****. If we were talking about statue of limitations cases you'd never pull that rhetoric out, tell me you would?

Yeah, what you just said there was that she fell and hurt herself, lmao, (if it wasn't so sick)