The Trump Presidency: Part 29 - Page 43

JoeMorgue · 3rd August 2022, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Speaking of The Former Guy, why haven't we seen his tax returns? After the election, didn't we hear that a Democratic House, Senate and White House would be getting them out forthwith?

Because everything that is going to take Trump down ALWAYS happens at some unspecified point in the future, never in real time in the now.

Stacyhs · 3rd August 2022, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Mike!

Well, he was in law enforcement...

https://mcdonalds.fandom.com/wiki/Of...er_Big_Mac.jpg

Trump: "A great police officer, there was virtually no crime in McDonaldland, whatsoever."

Reporter: "What about the Hamburgler?"

Trump: "Who? What? I've never heard of him."

The Hamburgler got covfefe for the staff.

Stacyhs · 3rd August 2022, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Speaking of The Former Guy, why haven't we seen his tax returns? After the election, didn't we hear that a Democratic House, Senate and White House would be getting them out forthwith?

Because the tax returns were presented to the NY grand jury and, by state law,
they must remain confidential until, and unless, they are used as evidence in a case against him.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/22/with...x-returns.html

Armitage72 · 3rd August 2022, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Because the tax returns were presented to the NY grand jury and, by state law,
they must remain confidential until, and unless, they are used as evidence in a case against him.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/22/with...x-returns.html

He's also still been asking the courts to block the release of everything else. An appeals court just upheld the release of some of his financial records a few weeks ago.

Stacyhs · 3rd August 2022, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

He's also still been asking the courts to block the release of everything else. An appeals court just upheld the release of some of his financial records a few weeks ago.

Anyone who thinks he's not scared to death what those returns will reveal is living in La La Land.

Bob001 · 3rd August 2022, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Because the tax returns were presented to the NY grand jury and, by state law,
they must remain confidential until, and unless, they are used as evidence in a case against him.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/22/with...x-returns.html

How does New York prevent federal authorities from releasing them? That's not the way the laws usually work.

Stacyhs · 3rd August 2022, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

How does New York prevent federal authorities from releasing them? That's not the way the laws usually work.

Did you read the article? It's a federal case.

Venom · 3rd August 2022, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Trump plans his second term:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...-power/670963/

Honestly, this man has to be stopped. IDK how but I would be okay with underhanded means. That's the game of the Radical Right now. Trump probably won't be held accountable in any way that matters for January 6.

cmikes · 3rd August 2022, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

How does New York prevent federal authorities from releasing them? That's not the way the laws usually work.

The Democrats have to delay the release of his tax returns as long as possible since there isn't anything illegal or embarrassing in them. If there were, they would have been leaked years ago.

As long as the Democratic Political Security establishment can keep the tax returns under wraps, they can still sell that "the walls are closing in" and "this time we've got him!" to their low information voters.

Bob001 · 3rd August 2022, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Did you read the article? It's a federal case.

My mistake. There's also a NY state case. I confused them.
https://nypost.com/2022/06/08/donald...se-next-month/

Stacyhs · 3rd August 2022, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by cmikes

The Democrats have to delay the release of his tax returns as long as possible since there isn't anything illegal or embarrassing in them. If there were, they would have been leaked years ago.

As long as the Democratic Political Security establishment can keep the tax returns under wraps, they can still sell that "the walls are closing in" and "this time we've got him!" to their low information voters.

Yeah, you go with that if it helps you rationalize your support for a sociopathic criminal.

It's the Democrats who have been calling for their release for years and Trump who has refused to release them despite every single presidential candidate having done so for almost 50 years. Trump is the one who is hiding something or he'd have released them. Use some logic.

Bob001 · 3rd August 2022, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by cmikes

The Democrats have to delay the release of his tax returns as long as possible since there isn't anything illegal or embarrassing in them. If there were, they would have been leaked years ago.
....

There are severe criminal penalties for leaking tax returns. That's why they haven't been leaked. And illegal and embarrassing are two different things. I'm willing to agree that they probably don't show much illegal, although there are claims that he used different numbers for different purposes. But they could reveal a lot about Trump's actual wealth and debts, his low-to zero federal tax payments, his sources of income (particularly regarding allegations of money-laundering for Russian gangsters), his claimed expenses, his charitable donations (or lack thereof), etc. etc. If you think they are so innocuous, why has Trump fought so hard to hide them for so many years?

Here's one perspective:

Quote:

Jeff Robbins, a former attorney for the US Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations and federal prosecutor overseeing money-laundering probes, said keeping two sets of books could lead to a number of serious financial crimes.

"Inconsistency is not a crime. The intent to defraud is a crime," Robbins told Insider. "What a prosecutor is going to be looking at is: Did Trump seek to defraud the government of the United States with respect to the valuation of assets and the paying of taxes? Was there an intent to defraud banks?

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...on-2021-2?op=1

And:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...s-the-tax-game

arayder · 3rd August 2022, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by arayder

I think we are too close to the action to see it the way history will, i.e. Trump was a badly failed president who didn't rate a second term.

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I saw him as that immediately after his inauguration when he was lying about the crowd size.

You called it right.

He has made it his business to destroy the public's faith in government and democracy and replace it with faith in him. Reminds ya' of that other German guy. What was his name?

I was not shocked at all to hear Burger Boy try to dodge questions about his close ties to the Saudis by pretending that “Nobody’s gotten to the bottom of 9/11. . .”.

Some folks think Trump is going to somehow get away with lying and cheating for the rest of his life. But it's worth noting that he's become a pariah in one business environment after another. He's reduced to hooking up with dirty dealers, like the Saudis, who will throw in with him on his empty ventures.

He's going down in history as the worst president ever.

He's falling in the polls.

And he's likely to send the rest of his cheese burger eatin' life in one court after another.

arayder · 3rd August 2022, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Trump plans his second term:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...-power/670963/

Yikes!!!!

dudalb · 3rd August 2022, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by arayder

Yikes!!!!

This is why I break with standard liberal dogma when it comes to gun ownership.

Aridas · 3rd August 2022, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Speaking of The Former Guy, why haven't we seen his tax returns? After the election, didn't we hear that a Democratic House, Senate and White House would be getting them out forthwith?

Hmm? I don't recall either hearing that or it even being allowed. TFG could release them to the public easily, but not really Congress or law enforcement agencies. The subpoenas were to be for congressional/legal investigator use only. Even that was blocked for quite a while, though, as cases worked their way through the courts with Trump's delay, delay, delay tactics in full swing. Eventually, Mazars turned over Trump's tax documents, though... and dropped Trump as a client not too long after, saying that they could not trust what they'd been provided to be accurate. And... that's pretty much where things are now, at last check, given that that takes us up to a couple months ago?

Originally Posted by cmikes

The Democrats have to delay the release of his tax returns as long as possible since there isn't anything illegal or embarrassing in them. If there were, they would have been leaked years ago.

As long as the Democratic Political Security establishment can keep the tax returns under wraps, they can still sell that "the walls are closing in" and "this time we've got him!" to their low information voters.

Boring nonsense that smacks of projection. Tactics like that that are regularly employed by and work remarkably well on conservatives frequently do not work well on Democrats, which means that Democrats tend to actually employ them much less often and there's no evidence at all that that's actually being done in this case. Reminds me of the whole thing where Republicans project their tactics onto Democrats while at the same time looking down their noses at Democrats for being too "weak" and "empathetic" to do the brutal things (nevermind that brutal isn't often best) and ignoring every bit of evidence that shows that they're safely in utterly unreasonable accusation territory.

Delvo · 3rd August 2022, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Delvo

His behavior at a recent gold event is an example of why I have yet to be convinced he'll run for President again. His greatest fear is being seen as a loser, and nothing would secure that for all time more effectively than losing one of the world's most conspicuous, highest-profile competitions twice.

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Ah yes but Trump didn't lose. He's the rightful winner and as soon as the real patriots otherthrow the deep state that will be shown.

The more he says things like that, the more he looks to me like someone who suffers from deep intense insecurity. The bombast & bluster is the best somebody like that can do; people who are actually successful & confident have no use for it.

Stacyhs · 3rd August 2022, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Delvo

The more he says things like that, the more he looks to me like someone who suffers from deep intense insecurity. The bombast & bluster is the best somebody like that can do; people who are actually successful & confident have no use for it.

Narcissism is rooted in deep seated feelings of inferiority. It's an overreaction to that frail ego. It's like Old Money never brag about how much money they have but the nouveau-riche try to impress everyone with their conspicuous spending.

My parents were good friends with a Dupont...of 'the' Duponts. My mom said you'd never know she came from wealth because she never spoke about it and lived like the rest of the officers' wives. The only thing that stood out was her huge diamond wedding ring.

arayder · 4th August 2022, 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

This is why I break with standard liberal dogma when it comes to gun ownership.

Yes. January 6th cured me of any lingering "Things like that can't happen in America" notions.

Segnosaur · 4th August 2022, 10:24 AM

Something tangentally related to Trump:

From: NBC News
The Department of Justice is suing former Trump White House aide Peter Navarro in an effort to compel him to produce emails from a personal account that he allegedly used to conduct official White House business....Navarro did not copy his official White House account on the email exchanges, nor did he forward the email chains to his White House account, a violation of the Presidential Records Act...The National Archives reached out to Navarro asking him to turn over the missing records, but he never responded, according to the complaint.

Hmmmm.... someone using personal email accounts to handle government business. Where have I heard that before? Too bad he didn't have any prior examples as a guideline...

(I'm sure Trump will now start a "Lock him up" chant at his next rally.)

Of course, Navarro is complaining about "5th amendment rights", and how he does have everything archived. (Just not where it should be.)

Bob001 · 4th August 2022, 01:06 PM

VP Cheney smacks Trump.

Quote:

In a new campaign ad for his daughter Rep. Liz Cheney, former Vice President Dick Cheney does not mince words about former President Donald Trump, calling him a "coward" and a "threat to our republic."

“In our nation’s 246 year history there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump," Cheney, wearing a cowboy hat and looking directly into the camera, says in the ad. "He tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him. He is a coward. A real man wouldn't lie to his supporters."

https://news.yahoo.com/dick-cheney-t...200108029.html

Stacyhs · 4th August 2022, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

VP Cheney smacks Trump.

https://news.yahoo.com/dick-cheney-t...200108029.html

Good lord. Just goes to show that nothing is completely impossible.

Norman Alexander · 4th August 2022, 03:02 PM

Just wait until Donny responds on ...what's it called?... Trothe Sential.

MRC_Hans · 5th August 2022, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Just wait until Donny responds on ...what's it called?... Trothe Sential.

Why wait? We can all predict roughly what he will say.

Hans

thaiboxerken · 5th August 2022, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Bob001

VP Cheney smacks Trump.

https://news.yahoo.com/dick-cheney-t...200108029.html

This shows that evil people are not one big family, they often are at odds with each other.

JoeMorgue · 5th August 2022, 07:40 AM

While there is a slight chuckle/eyebrow raise in the fact that the men who shot his best friend in the face with a shotgun and made the friend apologize to him and that was the least evil thing he ever did saying Trump is bad and sure that does means... something on some level I'm over all the criticism of Trump from the Right only happening when it doesn't make a difference.

Regardless of how vile I think he is Chaney was a VP and long, long time Republican party insider, dude carries some weight in the party. If he had been loudly ranting against Trump from the beginning that would mean something meaningful and positive. A single statement, not matter how forceful and poetic, this far after the fact does not.

Segnosaur · 5th August 2022, 08:15 AM

Grifters gonna grift...

From: Alternet
The political fund created to push former President Donald Trump's claims of widespread voter fraud paid $60,000 to a fashion designer for former First Lady Melania Trump...

For better or worse, there might not be any legal restriction on doing this (there are different type of PACs; the type that Trump created seems to have fewer restrictions). But, it still looks rather scummy.

Armitage72 · 5th August 2022, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

While there is a slight chuckle/eyebrow raise in the fact that the men who shot his best friend in the face with a shotgun and made the friend apologize to him and that was the least evil thing he ever did saying Trump is bad and sure that does means... something on some level I'm over all the criticism of Trump from the Right only happening when it doesn't make a difference.

It reminds me of when Marvel and DC did a Batman/Captain America crossover. When the Joker realized that the Red Skull was an actual Nazi and not just using it as a gimmick, he basically said "Screw this. I may be a murderous lunatic, but I'm an American murderous lunatic."
He was still a murderous lunatic.

Ladewig · 6th August 2022, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Grifters gonna grift...

From: Alternet
The political fund created to push former President Donald Trump's claims of widespread voter fraud paid $60,000 to a fashion designer for former First Lady Melania Trump...

For better or worse, there might not be any legal restriction on doing this (there are different type of PACs; the type that Trump created seems to have fewer restrictions). But, it still looks rather scummy.

I’d love to survey the MAGAheads to see how many refuse to believe it, how many believe it but don’t care, and how many believe it and also approve of it.

pgwenthold · 6th August 2022, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

I’d love to survey the MAGAheads to see how many refuse to believe it, how many believe it but don’t care, and how many believe it and also approve of it.

Can you ask them how many had a tizzy fit when Kamela Harris bought a $400 pot from France with her own money?

W.D.Clinger · 6th August 2022, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Grifters gonna grift...

From: Alternet
The political fund created to push former President Donald Trump's claims of widespread voter fraud paid $60,000 to a fashion designer for former First Lady Melania Trump...

For better or worse, there might not be any legal restriction on doing this (there are different type of PACs; the type that Trump created seems to have fewer restrictions). But, it still looks rather scummy.

I thought human trafficking was illegal. I am also surprised the political fund thought Melania was worth the $60,000 it paid for her. And how did the fashion designer come to own Melania in the first place?

Stacyhs · 6th August 2022, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by W.D.Clinger

I thought human trafficking was illegal. I am also surprised the political fund thought Melania was worth the $60,000 it paid for her. And how did the fashion designer come to own Melania in the first place?

And why would a fashion designer want a woman who would wear this in public?

bruto · 6th August 2022, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

And why would a fashion designer want a woman who would wear this in public?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ec5906a0d0.jpg

Orange cred.

Stacyhs · 6th August 2022, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

Orange cred.

Color matching her husband's 'tan' was so fashionista!

Ladewig · 7th August 2022, 07:18 AM

Yesterday, I watched some of PT 109 (an account of JFK’s naval career.).

I had a very hard time imaging TFG doing any of the things that young Jack did. I’m not even talking about the heroic stuff - I cannot imagine him speaking up for his subordinates, turning down a states-side leave, taking the blame after he runs his boat into part of the dock, or quickly walking down a steep gangplank.

Stacyhs · 7th August 2022, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

Yesterday, I watched some of PT 109 (an account of JFK’s naval career.).

I had a very hard time imaging TFG doing any of the things that young Jack did. I’m not even talking about the heroic stuff - I cannot imagine him speaking up for his subordinates, turning down a states-side leave, taking the blame after he runs his boat into part of the dock, or quickly walking down a steep gangplank.

How could he with such bad bone spurs? They practically kept him bedridden for years except on those occasions he needed to walk all over the 'little people'.

Mike! · 7th August 2022, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

How could he with such bad bone spurs? They practically kept him bedridden for years except on those occasions he needed to walk all over the 'little people'.

Or a golf course.

Stacyhs · 7th August 2022, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Mike!

Or a golf course.

Silly. He never walks on a golf course. He rides in a golf cart. Damn you, bone spurs! Damn you!

Trebuchet · 7th August 2022, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Silly. He never walks on a golf course. He rides in a golf cart. Damn you, bone spurs! Damn you!http://www.internationalskeptics.com...03ee947d29.gif

And he drives it across the greens, because he can.
Actual cars, of course, are another matter. They're for the little people to drive. He's probably never had a license.

alfaniner · 7th August 2022, 05:34 PM

I watched the last half of the cringeworthy CPAC final speech last night. Big applause for "We need to abolish the Board of Education!" He also called to the stage the female swimmer who'd been beaten by an MTF trans person (and had apparently spoken earlier that day). He couldn't even remember her first name, just calling her "Gaines". Check out the video of that segment on YouTube, it's painful. Not the subject matter, but how he treats her.

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3rd August 2022, 12:00 PM	#1681
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 40,694	Originally Posted by Bob001 Speaking of The Former Guy, why haven't we seen his tax returns? After the election, didn't we hear that a Democratic House, Senate and White House would be getting them out forthwith? Because everything that is going to take Trump down ALWAYS happens at some unspecified point in the future, never in real time in the now.
	__________________ "If everyone in the room says water is wet and I say it's dry that makes me smart because at least I'm thinking for myself!" - The Proudly Wrong.

3rd August 2022, 12:11 PM	#1684
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,185	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Because the tax returns were presented to the NY grand jury and, by state law, they must remain confidential until, and unless, they are used as evidence in a case against him. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/22/with...x-returns.html He's also still been asking the courts to block the release of everything else. An appeals court just upheld the release of some of his financial records a few weeks ago.
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3rd August 2022, 01:20 PM	#1689
cmikes Muse Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 623	Originally Posted by Bob001 How does New York prevent federal authorities from releasing them? That's not the way the laws usually work. The Democrats have to delay the release of his tax returns as long as possible since there isn't anything illegal or embarrassing in them. If there were, they would have been leaked years ago. As long as the Democratic Political Security establishment can keep the tax returns under wraps, they can still sell that "the walls are closing in" and "this time we've got him!" to their low information voters.
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3rd August 2022, 06:44 PM	#1693
arayder Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,488	Originally Posted by arayder I think we are too close to the action to see it the way history will, i.e. Trump was a badly failed president who didn't rate a second term. Originally Posted by Stacyhs I saw him as that immediately after his inauguration when he was lying about the crowd size. You called it right. He has made it his business to destroy the public's faith in government and democracy and replace it with faith in him. Reminds ya' of that other German guy. What was his name? I was not shocked at all to hear Burger Boy try to dodge questions about his close ties to the Saudis by pretending that “Nobody’s gotten to the bottom of 9/11. . .”. Some folks think Trump is going to somehow get away with lying and cheating for the rest of his life. But it's worth noting that he's become a pariah in one business environment after another. He's reduced to hooking up with dirty dealers, like the Saudis, who will throw in with him on his empty ventures. He's going down in history as the worst president ever. He's falling in the polls. And he's likely to send the rest of his cheese burger eatin' life in one court after another.
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3rd August 2022, 06:53 PM	#1694
arayder Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,488	Originally Posted by Bob001 Trump plans his second term: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...-power/670963/ Yikes!!!!
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3rd August 2022, 12:02 PM	#1682
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,979	Originally Posted by Mike! Well, he was in law enforcement... https://mcdonalds.fandom.com/wiki/Of...er_Big_Mac.jpg Trump: "A great police officer, there was virtually no crime in McDonaldland, whatsoever." Reporter: "What about the Hamburgler?" Trump: "Who? What? I've never heard of him." The Hamburgler got covfefe for the staff.

3rd August 2022, 12:08 PM	#1683
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,979	Originally Posted by Bob001 Speaking of The Former Guy, why haven't we seen his tax returns? After the election, didn't we hear that a Democratic House, Senate and White House would be getting them out forthwith? Because the tax returns were presented to the NY grand jury and, by state law, they must remain confidential until, and unless, they are used as evidence in a case against him. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/22/with...x-returns.html

3rd August 2022, 12:17 PM	#1685
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,979	Originally Posted by Armitage72 He's also still been asking the courts to block the release of everything else. An appeals court just upheld the release of some of his financial records a few weeks ago. Anyone who thinks he's not scared to death what those returns will reveal is living in La La Land.

3rd August 2022, 01:00 PM	#1686
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 15,628	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Because the tax returns were presented to the NY grand jury and, by state law, they must remain confidential until, and unless, they are used as evidence in a case against him. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/22/with...x-returns.html How does New York prevent federal authorities from releasing them? That's not the way the laws usually work.

3rd August 2022, 01:03 PM	#1687
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,979	Originally Posted by Bob001 How does New York prevent federal authorities from releasing them? That's not the way the laws usually work. Did you read the article? It's a federal case.

3rd August 2022, 01:09 PM	#1688
Venom Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 5,915	Originally Posted by Bob001 Trump plans his second term: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...-power/670963/ Honestly, this man has to be stopped. IDK how but I would be okay with underhanded means. That's the game of the Radical Right now. Trump probably won't be held accountable in any way that matters for January 6.

3rd August 2022, 01:57 PM	#1690
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 15,628	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Did you read the article? It's a federal case. My mistake. There's also a NY state case. I confused them. https://nypost.com/2022/06/08/donald...se-next-month/

3rd August 2022, 02:04 PM	#1691
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,979	Originally Posted by cmikes The Democrats have to delay the release of his tax returns as long as possible since there isn't anything illegal or embarrassing in them. If there were, they would have been leaked years ago. As long as the Democratic Political Security establishment can keep the tax returns under wraps, they can still sell that "the walls are closing in" and "this time we've got him!" to their low information voters. Yeah, you go with that if it helps you rationalize your support for a sociopathic criminal. It's the Democrats who have been calling for their release for years and Trump who has refused to release them despite every single presidential candidate having done so for almost 50 years. Trump is the one who is hiding something or he'd have released them. Use some logic.

3rd August 2022, 02:13 PM	#1692
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 15,628	Originally Posted by cmikes The Democrats have to delay the release of his tax returns as long as possible since there isn't anything illegal or embarrassing in them. If there were, they would have been leaked years ago. .... There are severe criminal penalties for leaking tax returns. That's why they haven't been leaked. And illegal and embarrassing are two different things. I'm willing to agree that they probably don't show much illegal, although there are claims that he used different numbers for different purposes. But they could reveal a lot about Trump's actual wealth and debts, his low-to zero federal tax payments, his sources of income (particularly regarding allegations of money-laundering for Russian gangsters), his claimed expenses, his charitable donations (or lack thereof), etc. etc. If you think they are so innocuous, why has Trump fought so hard to hide them for so many years? Here's one perspective: Quote: Jeff Robbins, a former attorney for the US Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations and federal prosecutor overseeing money-laundering probes, said keeping two sets of books could lead to a number of serious financial crimes. "Inconsistency is not a crime. The intent to defraud is a crime," Robbins told Insider. "What a prosecutor is going to be looking at is: Did Trump seek to defraud the government of the United States with respect to the valuation of assets and the paying of taxes? Was there an intent to defraud banks? https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...on-2021-2?op=1 And: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politic...s-the-tax-game

3rd August 2022, 08:23 PM	#1695
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 55,959	Originally Posted by arayder Yikes!!!! This is why I break with standard liberal dogma when it comes to gun ownership.
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3rd August 2022, 09:51 PM	#1696
Aridas Crazy Little Green Dragon Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: East Coast, US Posts: 9,078	Originally Posted by Bob001 Speaking of The Former Guy, why haven't we seen his tax returns? After the election, didn't we hear that a Democratic House, Senate and White House would be getting them out forthwith? Hmm? I don't recall either hearing that or it even being allowed. TFG could release them to the public easily, but not really Congress or law enforcement agencies. The subpoenas were to be for congressional/legal investigator use only. Even that was blocked for quite a while, though, as cases worked their way through the courts with Trump's delay, delay, delay tactics in full swing. Eventually, Mazars turned over Trump's tax documents, though... and dropped Trump as a client not too long after, saying that they could not trust what they'd been provided to be accurate. And... that's pretty much where things are now, at last check, given that that takes us up to a couple months ago? Originally Posted by cmikes The Democrats have to delay the release of his tax returns as long as possible since there isn't anything illegal or embarrassing in them. If there were, they would have been leaked years ago. As long as the Democratic Political Security establishment can keep the tax returns under wraps, they can still sell that "the walls are closing in" and "this time we've got him!" to their low information voters. Boring nonsense that smacks of projection. Tactics like that that are regularly employed by and work remarkably well on conservatives frequently do not work well on Democrats, which means that Democrats tend to actually employ them much less often and there's no evidence at all that that's actually being done in this case. Reminds me of the whole thing where Republicans project their tactics onto Democrats while at the same time looking down their noses at Democrats for being too "weak" and "empathetic" to do the brutal things (nevermind that brutal isn't often best) and ignoring every bit of evidence that shows that they're safely in utterly unreasonable accusation territory.
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3rd August 2022, 10:19 PM	#1697
Delvo Дэлво Δελϝο דֶלְבֹֿ देल्वो Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Tonawanda, NY Posts: 10,431	Originally Posted by Delvo His behavior at a recent gold event is an example of why I have yet to be convinced he'll run for President again. His greatest fear is being seen as a loser, and nothing would secure that for all time more effectively than losing one of the world's most conspicuous, highest-profile competitions twice. Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Ah yes but Trump didn't lose. He's the rightful winner and as soon as the real patriots otherthrow the deep state that will be shown. The more he says things like that, the more he looks to me like someone who suffers from deep intense insecurity. The bombast & bluster is the best somebody like that can do; people who are actually successful & confident have no use for it.

3rd August 2022, 11:54 PM	#1698
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,979	Originally Posted by Delvo The more he says things like that, the more he looks to me like someone who suffers from deep intense insecurity. The bombast & bluster is the best somebody like that can do; people who are actually successful & confident have no use for it. Narcissism is rooted in deep seated feelings of inferiority. It's an overreaction to that frail ego. It's like Old Money never brag about how much money they have but the nouveau-riche try to impress everyone with their conspicuous spending. My parents were good friends with a Dupont...of 'the' Duponts. My mom said you'd never know she came from wealth because she never spoke about it and lived like the rest of the officers' wives. The only thing that stood out was her huge diamond wedding ring.

4th August 2022, 05:54 AM	#1699
arayder Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,488	Originally Posted by dudalb This is why I break with standard liberal dogma when it comes to gun ownership. Yes. January 6th cured me of any lingering "Things like that can't happen in America" notions.
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4th August 2022, 10:24 AM	#1700
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 18,933	Something tangentally related to Trump: From: NBC News The Department of Justice is suing former Trump White House aide Peter Navarro in an effort to compel him to produce emails from a personal account that he allegedly used to conduct official White House business....Navarro did not copy his official White House account on the email exchanges, nor did he forward the email chains to his White House account, a violation of the Presidential Records Act...The National Archives reached out to Navarro asking him to turn over the missing records, but he never responded, according to the complaint. Hmmmm.... someone using personal email accounts to handle government business. Where have I heard that before? Too bad he didn't have any prior examples as a guideline... (I'm sure Trump will now start a "Lock him up" chant at his next rally.) Of course, Navarro is complaining about "5th amendment rights", and how he does have everything archived. (Just not where it should be.)
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4th August 2022, 01:06 PM	#1701
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 15,628	VP Cheney smacks Trump. Quote: In a new campaign ad for his daughter Rep. Liz Cheney, former Vice President Dick Cheney does not mince words about former President Donald Trump, calling him a "coward" and a "threat to our republic." “In our nation’s 246 year history there has never been an individual who is a greater threat to our republic than Donald Trump," Cheney, wearing a cowboy hat and looking directly into the camera, says in the ad. "He tried to steal the last election using lies and violence to keep himself in power after the voters had rejected him. He is a coward. A real man wouldn't lie to his supporters." https://news.yahoo.com/dick-cheney-t...200108029.html

4th August 2022, 01:25 PM	#1702
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,979	Originally Posted by Bob001 VP Cheney smacks Trump. https://news.yahoo.com/dick-cheney-t...200108029.html Good lord. Just goes to show that nothing is completely impossible.

4th August 2022, 03:02 PM	#1703
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,985	Just wait until Donny responds on ...what's it called?... Trothe Sential.
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5th August 2022, 02:21 AM	#1704
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 24,118	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Just wait until Donny responds on ...what's it called?... Trothe Sential. Why wait? We can all predict roughly what he will say. Hans
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5th August 2022, 07:32 AM	#1705
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 32,194	Originally Posted by Bob001 VP Cheney smacks Trump. https://news.yahoo.com/dick-cheney-t...200108029.html This shows that evil people are not one big family, they often are at odds with each other.
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5th August 2022, 07:40 AM	#1706
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 40,694	While there is a slight chuckle/eyebrow raise in the fact that the men who shot his best friend in the face with a shotgun and made the friend apologize to him and that was the least evil thing he ever did saying Trump is bad and sure that does means... something on some level I'm over all the criticism of Trump from the Right only happening when it doesn't make a difference. Regardless of how vile I think he is Chaney was a VP and long, long time Republican party insider, dude carries some weight in the party. If he had been loudly ranting against Trump from the beginning that would mean something meaningful and positive. A single statement, not matter how forceful and poetic, this far after the fact does not.
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5th August 2022, 08:15 AM	#1707
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 18,933	Grifters gonna grift... From: Alternet The political fund created to push former President Donald Trump's claims of widespread voter fraud paid $60,000 to a fashion designer for former First Lady Melania Trump... For better or worse, there might not be any legal restriction on doing this (there are different type of PACs; the type that Trump created seems to have fewer restrictions). But, it still looks rather scummy.
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5th August 2022, 09:52 AM	#1708
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 7,185	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue While there is a slight chuckle/eyebrow raise in the fact that the men who shot his best friend in the face with a shotgun and made the friend apologize to him and that was the least evil thing he ever did saying Trump is bad and sure that does means... something on some level I'm over all the criticism of Trump from the Right only happening when it doesn't make a difference. It reminds me of when Marvel and DC did a Batman/Captain America crossover. When the Joker realized that the Red Skull was an actual Nazi and not just using it as a gimmick, he basically said "Screw this. I may be a murderous lunatic, but I'm an American murderous lunatic." He was still a murderous lunatic.

6th August 2022, 06:15 AM	#1709
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,523	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Grifters gonna grift... From: Alternet The political fund created to push former President Donald Trump's claims of widespread voter fraud paid $60,000 to a fashion designer for former First Lady Melania Trump... For better or worse, there might not be any legal restriction on doing this (there are different type of PACs; the type that Trump created seems to have fewer restrictions). But, it still looks rather scummy. I’d love to survey the MAGAheads to see how many refuse to believe it, how many believe it but don’t care, and how many believe it and also approve of it.
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6th August 2022, 07:53 AM	#1710
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,757	Originally Posted by Ladewig I’d love to survey the MAGAheads to see how many refuse to believe it, how many believe it but don’t care, and how many believe it and also approve of it. Can you ask them how many had a tizzy fit when Kamela Harris bought a $400 pot from France with her own money?
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6th August 2022, 08:58 AM	#1711
W.D.Clinger Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4,497	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Grifters gonna grift... From: Alternet The political fund created to push former President Donald Trump's claims of widespread voter fraud paid $60,000 to a fashion designer for former First Lady Melania Trump... For better or worse, there might not be any legal restriction on doing this (there are different type of PACs; the type that Trump created seems to have fewer restrictions). But, it still looks rather scummy. I thought human trafficking was illegal. I am also surprised the political fund thought Melania was worth the $60,000 it paid for her. And how did the fashion designer come to own Melania in the first place?
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6th August 2022, 12:48 PM	#1712
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,979	Originally Posted by W.D.Clinger I thought human trafficking was illegal. I am also surprised the political fund thought Melania was worth the $60,000 it paid for her. And how did the fashion designer come to own Melania in the first place? And why would a fashion designer want a woman who would wear this in public?

6th August 2022, 03:37 PM	#1713
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 32,791	Originally Posted by Stacyhs And why would a fashion designer want a woman who would wear this in public? http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ec5906a0d0.jpg Orange cred.
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6th August 2022, 03:57 PM	#1714
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 25,979	Originally Posted by bruto Orange cred. Color matching her husband's 'tan' was so fashionista!

7th August 2022, 07:18 AM	#1715
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,523	Yesterday, I watched some of PT 109 (an account of JFK’s naval career.). I had a very hard time imaging TFG doing any of the things that young Jack did. I’m not even talking about the heroic stuff - I cannot imagine him speaking up for his subordinates, turning down a states-side leave, taking the blame after he runs his boat into part of the dock, or quickly walking down a steep gangplank.
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