Weapons, poll

[bruto]

Originally Posted by trustbutverify

You just can't get anything right, can you?

On a lighter note, could you maybe cut out the fake broken English... it's getting really annoying.

But fake broken English at least requires some thought. What if that is one's last link to reality? Be careful what you ask for. Remember we're in the age of Trump, so when you ask yourself, "could it get any worse?" the answer is always "yes."

[Gaetan]

Joe Biden is corrupted but he also has a son deeply involve in corruption in Ukraine and this cause the misery of Ukrainians, you won't hear it on news because they are also corrupted. Abolish money and guns is a must.

[The Man]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Like what?

It's called gunsmithing, it is both a business and a hobby for some people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunsmith

[Gaetan]

Originally Posted by The Man

It's called gunsmithing, it is both a business and a hobby for some people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunsmith

A guy was watching the videos and did the samething, he killed 2 persons and got 25 years in jail, i don't thing the guy is the true responsible but the guys producing that kind of videos. Poisons in the society made for profit kill a lot of people. They wouldn't have enough scientists to watch these criminal they produce new poisons every day. Poisons kill millions of people every year in US by chance sperm produces the equivalent. You won't get rid of these poisons if you don't get rid of money.

[jimbob]

The OP is apparently about the arguments in favour or against the need for weapons, not Jesus Christ, nor whether individuals should be responsible for actions of other members of whatever constitutes their community, which I am sure are fascinating topics for their own threads

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[The Man]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

A guy was watching the videos and did the samething, he killed 2 persons and got 25 years in jail, i don't thing the guy is the true responsible but the guys producing that kind of videos. Poisons in the society made for profit kill a lot of people. They wouldn't have enough scientists to watch these criminal they produce new poisons every day. Poisons kill millions of people every year in US by chance sperm produces the equivalent. You won't get rid of these poisons if you don't get rid of money.

What gunsmithing videos are you talking about?

Quote:

gunsmith noun

gun·​smith | \ ˈgən-ˌsmith \
Definition of gunsmith
: one who designs, makes, or repairs small firearms

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gunsmith

Gunsmithing doesn't involve killing people, "Poisons", "sperm" or whomever you might think "is the true responsible" for whatever.

While there are some particular concerns in design, materials and tolerancing it is still just machining and assembling of components. Within the capabilities of most precision manufacturing facilities. Heck, with modern CNC equipment and current screw machines, just about anyone with basic set up capability can produce large volumes of precision components. The only way to get rid of the capability to produce guns is to get rid of all manufacturing all together and even then someone could rig something. The first firearms were basicity just cast tubes stuffed with black powder and projectiles. Heck, someone even designed a 3D printable gun but as I recall it wasn't very durable.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Abolish money and guns is a must.

I agree. What's your plan?

[arthwollipot]

What's your plan for abolishing guns and money?

[Gaetan]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

What's your plan for abolishing guns and money?

You make a law to banish guns and close the producers. For those who don't respect the law and give up their guns you send the police to pick them up, no prison, no fine. You make a resolution to UN to banish arms.

You abolish money in the country, keep working as usual, for products from other countries is financed by products you sell to others countries, you just keep money for international trade untill others counties abolish money.

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

You make a law to banish guns and close the producers. For those who don't respect the law and give up their guns you send the police to pick them up, no prison, no fine. You make a resolution to UN to banish arms.

You abolish money in the country, keep working as usual, for products from other countries is financed by products you sell to others countries, you just keep money for international trade untill others counties abolish money.

We're not going to do that.

[wollery]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

You make a law to banish guns and close the producers. For those who don't respect the law and give up their guns you send the police to pick them up, no prison, no fine. You make a resolution to UN to banish arms.

You abolish money in the country, keep working as usual, for products from other countries is financed by products you sell to others countries, you just keep money for international trade untill others counties abolish money.

I repeat my question asked several weeks ago, as you never answered it.

Have you ever actually met a living human being?

I merely ask because you seem to have no idea what humans are like.

[The Man]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

You make a law to banish guns and close the producers. For those who don't respect the law and give up their guns you send the police to pick them up, no prison, no fine. You make a resolution to UN to banish arms.

Again, how are your unarmed police going to get guns from armed people whom you already well know don't want to willingly give them up?

Again, what happens to signatory countries who don't actually abide by such a "resolution"?

"no prison, no fine"? Does that include when they use those guns they don't want to give up?

Originally Posted by Gaetan

You abolish money in the country, keep working as usual, for products from other countries is financed by products you sell to others countries, you just keep money for international trade untill others counties abolish money.

What products do I sell to Czechoslovakia such that I can order something from Czechoslovakia?

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

You make a law to banish guns and close the producers. For those who don't respect the law and give up their guns you send the police to pick them up, no prison, no fine. You make a resolution to UN to banish arms.

You abolish money in the country, keep working as usual, for products from other countries is financed by products you sell to others countries, you just keep money for international trade untill others counties abolish money.

And if I ask you how to win the war in Russia, will your answer be "first, win the war"?

How do you propose we abolish guns and money? What's your proposed plan?

[Pope130]

Wait a minute here, you want to ban Guns and Money, what about Lawyers?

[8enotto]

Get rid of guns and money, lawyers won't have clients or any incentive to work.

[Crossbow]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

You make a law to banish guns and close the producers. For those who don't respect the law and give up their guns you send the police to pick them up, no prison, no fine. You make a resolution to UN to banish arms.

You abolish money in the country, keep working as usual, for products from other countries is financed by products you sell to others countries, you just keep money for international trade untill others counties abolish money.

Your plan is completely worthless, completely thoughtless and completely impractical.

[The Man]

Originally Posted by Pope130

Wait a minute here, you want to ban Guns and Money, what about Lawyers?

Who do you think will craft the law that bans Guns and Money, as well as both challenge and defend that law?

So counter to what Shakespeare said, they have to be, at least, third on the list

Originally Posted by 8enotto

Get rid of guns and money, lawyers won't have clients or any incentive to work.

Nor will anyone else.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Crossbow

Your plan is completely worthless, completely thoughtless and completely impractical.

It's not a plan at all. It's a goal aspiration. I want to know if Gaetan has thought this through sufficiently to have an actual plan.

[junkshop]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

It's not a plan at all. It's a goal aspiration. I want to know if Gaetan has thought this through sufficiently to have an actual plan.

By this point you already know the answer to that.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by junkshop

By this point you already know the answer to that.

Of course I do. But does Gaetan?

[Dave Rogers]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Of course I do. But does Gaetan?

By this point you already know the answer to that too.

Dave

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

By this point you already know the answer to that too.

I guess that's true, but if I can get Gaetan to think even just a little bit about it, then it will have been effort well spent.

[bruto]

I hope you gauge the usefulness of the effort by its benefit to you, so as not to waste it all.

[Gaetan]

Biden sheds tears over the Chicago shooting but they are crocodile tears, this hypocrite is the world's biggest arms dealer. They have nice words to have votes but they do the opposite in practice.

[arthwollipot]

Right, because providing weapons and logistical support to a country defending itself against a hostile aggressor is exactly the same as enabling someone to murder families and children at a fourth of July parade.

[Gaetan]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

Right, because providing weapons and logistical support to a country defending itself against a hostile aggressor is exactly the same as enabling someone to murder families and children at a fourth of July parade.

The solution is not to sell or give more arms because it will only make more victimes, the arms given to Ukraine are resold everywhere in the world and now in the hands of dealers. That what happened to your vote, you voted for criminals.

[Little 10 Toes]

no, the weapons sold to the Ukraine are for defense from the Russians.

[arthwollipot]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

The solution is not to sell or give more arms because it will only make more victimes, the arms given to Ukraine are resold everywhere in the world and now in the hands of dealers. That what happened to your vote, you voted for criminals.

Who do you think I voted for?

[The Man]

Originally Posted by Gaetan

The solution is not to sell or give more arms because it will only make more victimes, the arms given to Ukraine are resold everywhere in the world and now in the hands of dealers. That what happened to your vote, you voted for criminals.

By your own assertions not giving or having weapons themselves does not forestall people from becoming victims of gun violence. How many of those victims, in the Chicago shooting you mention, were armed with firearms?

Again, such arms don't have to be given or sold they can simply be and are made, by someone. That the producer may not be the user in some cases certainly doesn't preclude them from being the same.

[Gaetan]

Originally Posted by The Man

By your own assertions not giving or having weapons themselves does not forestall people from becoming victims of gun violence. How many of those victims, in the Chicago shooting you mention, were armed with firearms?

Again, such arms don't have to be given or sold they can simply be and are made, by someone. That the producer may not be the user in some cases certainly doesn't preclude them from being the same.

It's proven that the more weapons circulating, the more victims there are, no matter how you look at it, so the solution is very simple, get rid of them.

NATO gave lots of weapons in Ukraine but at the end it will only make more people killed, hurt, refugees, starvation and the whole country destroyed. You got to look at what it will come in practice.