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View Poll Results: Do you agree or disagree to get rid of weapons?
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Old 9th April 2022, 10:57 AM   #241
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Originally Posted by catsmate View Post
A terrible mistake on their part as subsequent events have shown.
Events that are contributing to the demise of the NPT.
The mistake would be to have atome bombs, drop it in Russia, they would do the same and as a result that pollution would cause death on the whole planet, wind carrying radiation all over the planet causing death on billion of people. A wise thing would have been to get rid of all arms, they would have kept all their states including Crimea and be good friend of Russia., they want to play rough, Russia played rough.
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Old 9th April 2022, 11:04 AM   #242
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Threat and fear are the reason of war in 2022 and in the previous 100 years. Arms are a threat for the survival of humanity not the opposite.
Tell that to the Ukrainians who are currently surviving, only, by force of arms.
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Old 9th April 2022, 11:09 AM   #243
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
The mistake would be to have atome bombs, drop it in Russia, they would do the same and as a result that pollution would cause death on the whole planet, wind carrying radiation all over the planet causing death on billion of people. A wise thing would have been to get rid of all arms, they would have kept all their states including Crimea and be good friend of Russia., they want to play rough, Russia played rough.
They did gave up their nuclear arms based on an assurance of sovereignty from Russia that Russia has recently blatantly ignored.
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Old 9th April 2022, 12:31 PM   #244
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Originally Posted by The Man View Post
They did gave up their nuclear arms based on an assurance of sovereignty from Russia that Russia has recently blatantly ignored.
When they get rid of their atome bombs they were good but they became no good trying to get it back.
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Old 9th April 2022, 01:12 PM   #245
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
When they get rid of their atome bombs they were good but they became no good trying to get it back.
How many more of Russia's neighbours do you believe are trying to develop their own nuclear weapons? Is Finland? Latvia? Lithuania? Estonia? Moldova? Georgia? Poland? Turkey?

Asking for some friends.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
When they get rid of their atome bombs they were good but they became no good trying to get it back.
NATO is a defensive pact. Putin is an offensive douche.

Stop lying about Ukraine.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
When they get rid of their atome bombs they were good but they became no good trying to get it back.
Tell the truth... you're actually a comedic performance artist, right. Be honest.
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
When they get rid of their atome bombs they were good but they became no good trying to get it back.
They didn't try to get them back. Why would Russia even give them back?
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Old 9th April 2022, 09:24 PM   #249
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
Even if the goal of getting rid of arms and getting rid of threats is a good one and even if it is true that doing so would bring lasting peace etc. etc. saying this is essentially meaningless.

Here's an idea. Let's solve the energy crisis by finding cheap new renewable fuel and doing away with nasty old fossil fuel! There, I have come up with a genius idea, everyone pat me on the back and tell me how right I am. Now that I've done the heavy lifting of ideas, I'll let some other suckers do the boring work of actually figuring out how to make it happen.
This does depend heavily on the underwear gnomes finding a huge pile of question marks for the process part of the plan.

Our op does show a bit of a disconnect with human nature and reality.
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Old 10th April 2022, 01:07 AM   #250
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
How many more of Russia's neighbours do you believe are trying to develop their own nuclear weapons? Is Finland? Latvia? Lithuania? Estonia? Moldova? Georgia? Poland? Turkey?

Asking for some friends.
Actually at least two of those countries are considering abandoning the NPT and developing nuclear weapons, given the Putinist threat.
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Old 10th April 2022, 05:07 AM   #251
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Having weapons or not makes no difference. Aggressors will just lie about it anyway.

How a QAnon conspiracy theory about Ukraine bioweapons became mainstream disinformation (cbc.ca)
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Five weeks ago, that conspiracy theory was little more than a fringe belief. Today, it is an official stated reason for Russia's brutal invasion. And it could be a sign of what President Vladimir Putin is plotting next.
The idea of everyone giving up their weapons relies on the good faith and trust of everyone involved, which is what makes it a stupid, childish fantasy.
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Old 10th April 2022, 08:45 AM   #252
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Originally Posted by eerok View Post
Having weapons or not makes no difference. Aggressors will just lie about it anyway.

How a QAnon conspiracy theory about Ukraine bioweapons became mainstream disinformation (cbc.ca)


The idea of everyone giving up their weapons relies on the good faith and trust of everyone involved, which is what makes it a stupid, childish fantasy.
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Old 12th April 2022, 05:26 PM   #253
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They didn't try to get them back. Why would Russia even give them back?
Zelinski planned to have atom bombs and missiles to throw it, to have weapons was his mistake and resulted in war in his country:

https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/...uclear-fantasy

https://empr.media/culture/tech/hype...ot%20disclosed

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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Zelinski planned to have atom bombs and missiles to throw it, to have weapons was his mistake and resulted in war in his country:

https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/...uclear-fantasy

https://empr.media/culture/tech/hype...ot%20disclosed
Putin-propaganda drivel. Ukrainian men women and children being brutalized by Putin, and you quote the criminal to attack the victim. What cowardice.
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Old 13th April 2022, 04:57 PM   #255
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Zelinski planned to have atom bombs and missiles to throw it, to have weapons was his mistake and resulted in war in his country:

https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/...uclear-fantasy

https://empr.media/culture/tech/hype...ot%20disclosed
Did you see where the British and Americans are giving armored vehicles to Ukraine? When I last looked, it was more than 300. We're also giving Ukraine heavy artillery and 300 drones that can strike Russian armor. That's all on top of thousands of anti-tank missiles and millions of rounds of ammunition from all over NATO.

Don't worry; Russian soldiers have come up with a way to avoid being killed by Ukrainians. They use their vehicles to run over their own officers.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...tern-officials
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Zelinski planned to have atom bombs and missiles to throw it, to have weapons was his mistake and resulted in war in his country:

https://www.bignewsnetwork.com/news/...uclear-fantasy

https://empr.media/culture/tech/hype...ot%20disclosed
First link is showing an article that has a rt.com byline.

Second link has no other supporting sources/cites.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/14/europ...-ml/index.html

Hey, how about a new poll? Maybe about how Russia should leave and stop getting killed with all the weapons we've sent the Ukrainians.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/14/europ...-ml/index.html

Hey, how about a new poll? Maybe about how Russia should leave and stop getting killed with all the weapons we've sent the Ukrainians.
Nah, according to the Russian claims, the Russian warship "****** itself"
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Old 14th April 2022, 08:42 AM   #259
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As you see in Ukraine the plan to be in NATO, have atom bombs and missiles was not a guaranty of safety, they would be better off if these plans don't exist. Now Finland and Sweden think about to be in NATO but it will only make them on the list to be bombed in case of an nuclear war, not a good idea.

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As you see in Ukraine the plan to be in NATO, have atom bombs and missiles was not a guaranty of safety, they would be better off if these plans don't exist. Now Finland and Sweden think about to be in NATO but it will only make them on the list to be bombed in case of an nuclear war, not a good idea.
If only Russia would give up all its weapons, none of this would be a problem. Don't you agree?

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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
As you see in Ukraine the plan to be in NATO, have atom bombs and missiles was not a guaranty of safety, they would be better off if these plans don't exist.
Ukraine just wants its freedom.

Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Now Finland and Sweden think about to be in NATO but it will only make them on the list to be bombed in case of an nuclear war, not a good idea.
In the case of nuclear war, we're all screwed.

Due to their proximity to a vicious, narcissistic tyrant (Putin), Finland and Sweden are smart to join a defensive alliance like NATO.
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Old 14th April 2022, 09:23 AM   #262
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If only Russia would give up all its weapons, none of this would be a problem. Don't you agree?

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If i would be Putin i would get rid of all my weapons but Putin is not like me but like you fellows.
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If i would be Putin i would get rid of all my weapons but Putin is not like me but like you fellows.
Gee whiz!

You are so very wrong about so many things.
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If i would be Putin i would get rid of all my weapons but Putin is not like me but like you fellows.
You adore Putin.
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If i would be Putin i would get rid of all my weapons but Putin is not like me but like you fellows.
So you feel that Putin is wrong not to give up all his weapons?

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So you feel that Putin is wrong not to give up all his weapons?

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Off course he is.
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If i would be Putin i would get rid of all my weapons but Putin is not like me but like you fellows.
I believe there is a rule against insulting forum members.
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I believe there is a rule against insulting forum members.
But not about insulting their intelligence.
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Off course he is.
And is he also at fault for using them?

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And is he also at fault for using them?

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Off course he should give all his bombs to Ukraine since Zelinski wants to have it.
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Off course he should give all his bombs to Ukraine since Zelinski wants to have it.
I think he's trying to be sarcastic, but it's like watching a Thermian trying to write fiction for the first time.
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Off course he should give all his bombs to Ukraine since Zelinski wants to have it.
Zelensky would be thrilled if the Russia invaders just got the hell out of his country.
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I think he's trying to be sarcastic, but it's like watching a Thermian trying to write fiction for the first time.
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"Never give up, mmmmmNever Surender"
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Ha!................. Ha!
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
As you see in Ukraine the plan to be in NATO, have atom bombs and missiles was not a guaranty of safety, they would be better off if these plans don't exist. Now Finland and Sweden think about to be in NATO but it will only make them on the list to be bombed in case of an nuclear war, not a good idea.
Or... Эта сука Путин is going to be attacked by NATO if he tries to invade Sweden and/or Finland. Nuclear deterrence works both ways. In a nuclear exchange, Russia would cease to exist as a polity. I think it more likely that the security services would simply murder Putin (no big loss) if he attempted to use nuclear weapons.

The easy way for Putin to avoid being made NATO's bitch yet again is stay inside his own borders. That's all the Nicky, I mean Vlady has to do; not send troops across into other countries. Nearly every other country on earth manages this simple thing. Is Vlady just too stupid to understand that or does he like being made to look the fool?
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Off course he should give all his bombs to Ukraine since Zelinski wants to have it.
We know this is a lie because Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons. In fact, Ukraine did exactly what you advocate, Russia didn't, and then Russia attacked Ukraine. If you wanted to refute your own argument you could hardly have chosen a better example.

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Can we get a definition of a "weapon"?

I did Tae Kwon Do for years as a kid and the teacher bloke used to do side classes on how to defend yourself disable someone with a pen.

Bit John Wick, I know, but true.
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Think purely memory 20 years ago it was called Aikodo or something
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Zelinski planned to have atom bombs and missiles to throw it, to have weapons was his mistake and resulted in war in his country:

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They had nuclear weapons and gave them up for the promise of sovereignty from Russia. Russia has violated that sovereignty, so shouldn't it give back those weapons (undetonated)?

You keep harping on Ukrainian having weapons but seem to ignore Russia having weapons and attacking.
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Originally Posted by The Man View Post
They had nuclear weapons and gave them up for the promise of sovereignty from Russia. Russia has violated that sovereignty, so shouldn't it give back those weapons (undetonated)?

You keep harping on Ukrainian having weapons but seem to ignore Russia having weapons and attacking.
Putin should give his weapons to Zelinski since he wants them, it is not living as good people to have weapons.
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