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Old 20th June 2022, 11:28 PM   #41
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Wouldn't it be more like the United Counties of TX?
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Old 21st June 2022, 12:02 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by Apathia View Post
It can't survive on its own.
It'll need to rope in some other states as a new confederacy.

What we see here is the GOP platform made manifestly clear.
The problem is, at THIS point, Texas MIGHT be able to survive on its own (at least for a few years), thanks to its oil-based economy.

However, eventually either 1) the oil will run out, or 2) the world will switch to alternative fuel sources. At that point, Texas will have very little of value left in its economy (apart from perhaps its agricultural sector), since the U.S. government would have withdrawn its infrastructure (e.g. military, NASA), and many large companies will have departed Texas due to its instability.

(I would also like to think many businesses would leave Texas because it will likely end up an authoritarian hell-hole with a poor human rights record, but as we have seen with other jurisdictions, businesses don't seem to have strong ethical standards when profits are involved.)
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Maybe the The Fat Orange Turd could move to Austin and run for the Presidency of the People's Democratic Republic of Texas.
There's no ******* chance that they'd use any version of the D word.
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Old 21st June 2022, 12:19 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Wouldn't it be more like the United Counties of TX?
Only until the South counties started fighting the North, or Union, counties and then threatened to secede from the state with violence.

Also...big-endians.
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Old 21st June 2022, 06:07 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
The problem is, at THIS point, Texas MIGHT be able to survive on its own (at least for a few years), thanks to its oil-based economy.

However, eventually either 1) the oil will run out, or 2) the world will switch to alternative fuel sources. At that point, Texas will have very little of value left in its economy (apart from perhaps its agricultural sector), since the U.S. government would have withdrawn its infrastructure (e.g. military, NASA), and many large companies will have departed Texas due to its instability.

(I would also like to think many businesses would leave Texas because it will likely end up an authoritarian hell-hole with a poor human rights record, but as we have seen with other jurisdictions, businesses don't seem to have strong ethical standards when profits are involved.)
Hell hole, indeed.
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Old 21st June 2022, 06:10 AM   #46
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The United State of Texas.

Has a certain...clunk to it.
Especially in a High Potential Hurricane season, If I were Biden I would tell Texas they can't have any Federal Aid for huricanes, because they don't want him as their President. When their up to their noses in flood waters let's see what they say then..
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In a news article yesterday, the Texas Tribune newspaper explained why Texas can't secede from the United States. And it's been suggested previously.
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The idea is most often raised by conservatives in the state who are angry over some kind of policy coming from the federal government — and the calls seem to become more frequent when a Democrat is occupying the White House. State Rep. Kyle Biedermann, R-Fredericksburg, filed a bill in 2021 to create a referendum election on whether Texans should create a joint legislative committee “to develop a plan for achieving Texas independence.” Even if the Legislature were to act on the new Republican Party proposal to put an independence referendum on the general election, it would not be legally valid. “The legality of seceding is problematic,” Eric McDaniel, associate professor of government at the University of Texas at Austin, told The Texas Tribune in 2016. “The Civil War played a very big role in establishing the power of the federal government and cementing that the federal government has the final say in these issues.”

If there were any doubt remaining after this matter, the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia set it to rest when he was asked by a screenwriter in 2006 whether there was a legal basis for secession. In his response, he wrote: “The answer is clear,” Scalia wrote. “If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede. (Hence, in the Pledge of Allegiance, ‘one Nation, indivisible.’)” Texas Tribune link
Additionally, Texas receives $1.20 in federal funds for every $1.00 paid in federal tax. That would be a huge shortfall to make up. But even on the national stage -- as we see every day in this forum -- right-wingers do not and will not discuss issues on a rational basis. It's all snipe and snark. I'm sure the answer most Texas wingers would give, as to receiving more federal money than they pay in, would be:

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All I can say to Texas secessionists is, good luck!
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Old 21st June 2022, 06:50 AM   #48
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I don't understand your post.

The people suggesting Texas should secede are clearly making a show to their voters and lying about what it would actually entail.
If anyone is collectively punishing Texans, it's the Texan government.
You suggested punishing all Texans, because of a non-binding, non-actionable proposal by some Texans. Why was collective punishment your preferred response to this proposal?
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
You suggested punishing all Texans, because of a non-binding, non-actionable proposal by some Texans. Why was collective punishment your preferred response to this proposal?
It is not a punishment it is encouraging them to be self sufficient. It is getting into the frontier spirit.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
You suggested punishing all Texans, because of a non-binding, non-actionable proposal by some Texans. Why was collective punishment your preferred response to this proposal?
Umm, "some Texans"?

Keep in mind that this was not just some random collection of Texas yahoos. This is a resolution coming from the republican party, the group that is affiliated with republicans such as Greg Abbot., and the party that has held the governorship for over 2 decades. Yeah, it might not be fair to "punish" all Texans, but if the state didn't want to be a pariah, perhaps they should actually make an effort not to associate with such fools.

As for the 'non-binding' part, why does it matter? Its a dumb idea to attach your reputation to foolish ideas even if you aren't required to act on it.
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
In a news article yesterday, the Texas Tribune newspaper explained why Texas can't secede from the United States. And it's been suggested previously.


Additionally, Texas receives $1.20 in federal funds for every $1.00 paid in federal tax. That would be a huge shortfall to make up. But even on the national stage -- as we see every day in this forum -- right-wingers do not and will not discuss issues on a rational basis. It's all snipe and snark. I'm sure the answer most Texas wingers would give, as to receiving more federal money than they pay in, would be:

In the Age of Trump, more than a few would say, “Ha. Washington is filled with suckers.”
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
In a news article yesterday, the Texas Tribune newspaper explained why Texas can't secede from the United States. And it's been suggested previously.
The GOP operates under the policy of "We'll do whatever we damn well please, try and stop us!" Little things like the Constitution and legal precedent mean nothing to them.
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Well, the UK govt still want a say in how the EU works even though we left.
The US wants to have a say in how Afghanistan works even though it left. (Ditto US input to Iran, Cuba, Nicaragua, Panama, etc.) It seems pretty common for countries to have a view about other countries internal affairs. The EU certainly has views on internal UK issues!
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In a news article yesterday, the Texas Tribune newspaper explained why Texas can't secede from the United States. And it's been suggested previously.


Additionally, Texas receives $1.20 in federal funds for every $1.00 paid in federal tax. That would be a huge shortfall to make up. But even on the national stage -- as we see every day in this forum -- right-wingers do not and will not discuss issues on a rational basis. It's all snipe and snark. I'm sure the answer most Texas wingers would give, as to receiving more federal money than they pay in, would be:



All I can say to Texas secessionists is, good luck!
However as a member of the UN the US has signed upto the rights of all peoples to self determination. The US has certainly supported this right previously, elsewhere. International law would certainly recognise the rights of Texans to self determination if this was the outcome of a democratic mandate. Pretty sure that failing to recognise this right would just prove to the rest of the world the US had given up any right to being viewed as a democratic state.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
You suggested punishing all Texans, because of a non-binding, non-actionable proposal by some Texans. Why was collective punishment your preferred response to this proposal?
i absolutely did no such thing. check your bias.

What I pointed out is what the result would be if the Union allowed Texas to do exactly what they are asking for.

Or are you trying to argue that the US has to keep supporting Texas financially, and maintain and fund a troop presence in an Independent State?


seriously, instead of bashing me, why don't you go after the the Texans who support such a self-defeating plan?
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seriously, instead of bashing me, why don't you go after the the Texans who support such a self-defeating plan?
Because then he wouldn't be a pro-Right hiding behind being a contrarian and he would cease to exist.
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This is about as serious as eighth-graders voting to have pizza for lunch every day.

It's role-playing for fascists and the morons who vote for them.
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Ironically the same Texans talking about seceding from the United States, also advocate for the US leaving the United Nations. As for self-determination, what if the 'secession vote' is rejected by a majority of voters in some Texas counties? Should those people be forced to leave the United States? Could the UN step in and arbitrate it?

By the way, some people, including elected officials, in Staten Island -- one of the five boroughs or counties that make up New York City -- have long advocated for seceding from the city. Maybe they should appeal to the United Nations?
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However as a member of the UN the US has signed upto the rights of all peoples to self determination. The US has certainly supported this right previously, elsewhere. International law would certainly recognise the rights of Texans to self determination if this was the outcome of a democratic mandate. Pretty sure that failing to recognise this right would just prove to the rest of the world the US had given up any right to being viewed as a democratic state.
But what constitutes a "People entitled to self determination?". Where do you draw the line?

Sounds to me like if you want the US to split up...something which gives Left Wing Euros wet dreams.
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This is about as serious as eighth-graders voting to have pizza for lunch every day.

It's role-playing for fascists and the morons who vote for them.
Problem this is the convention for one the two major US Parties in one of the largest states in the Union, not a bunch of kooks in some small political party on one has ever heard of.
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I thhought the gentleman in my avatar sort of settled the issue of secession at Appotamatoc in Virginia in 1865.
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Wouldn't it be more like the United Counties of TX?
The Confederate State of Texas?
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However as a member of the UN the US has signed upto the rights of all peoples to self determination. The US has certainly supported this right previously, elsewhere. International law would certainly recognise the rights of Texans to self determination if this was the outcome of a democratic mandate. Pretty sure that failing to recognise this right would just prove to the rest of the world the US had given up any right to being viewed as a democratic state.
Funny stuff.
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The J6C is doing an excellent job of showing how Trump, Giuliani, and others in the Trump campaign lied to, pressured, and even threatened election officials in an effort to get them not certify the election.

If criminal charges against several people do not come out of this, then justice is not going to be served. It will only go to prove that the powerful can get away with anything in this country.
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I thhought the gentleman in my avatar sort of settled the issue of secession at Appotamatoc in Virginia in 1865.
I don't know Texas is 1 and 1 for seceding to preserve or legalize slavery, so they would seem to have a 50/50 shot at it.
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Funny stuff.
And shows a total lack of a grasp of reality.
He has failed to show where you draw the line;what is to keep the residents of Podunk Plains in the US..Or The UK..voting to suceed from the nation and declaring itself a indepenent country.
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The J6C is doing an excellent job of showing how Trump, Giuliani, and others in the Trump campaign lied to, pressured, and even threatened election officials in an effort to get them not certify the election.

If criminal charges against several people do not come out of this, then justice is not going to be served. It will only go to prove that the powerful can get away with anything in this country.
It's Trump I want to see brough to justice. If Garland won't do it, time for Biden to fire him and bring in somebody who will.
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If the rightie tighties ever try anything serious, it won't be by passing resolutions, let alone laws. It's the great brag of fascists that they don't legislate, they act.

Hey, October of this year will be the centenary of the March on Rome! Now that has a ring!

The March on Austin? Um, well, okay. Stephen Austin himself, if was still kicking, would greet it with a Napoleonic whiff of grape, but times is changed. Goddamn shame, too.
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… of dunces.
A Dunfederacy? ...or a Dumbfederacy?
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It's Trump I want to see brough to justice. If Garland won't do it, time for Biden to fire him and bring in somebody who will.
I agree.
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So…like…a Confederacy?
New and Improved Confederacy!

Now with 15% more JESUS!
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Maybe the The Fat Orange Turd could move to Austin and run for the Presidency of the People's Democratic TRUMP Republic of Texas.
A little more likely to succeed, I’d wager.
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Texas already seceded from the electric grid, which worked out perfectly, right?
Of course it did. If there's as problem, just go to Cancun!
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Of course it did. If there's as problem, just go to Cancun!
Then blame your kids!
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Old 22nd June 2022, 12:41 PM   #75
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If Texas seccedes, will it lay claim to New Mexico again and invade it?

BTW, The Good, THe Bad, and The Ugly is loosley based on Sibley's invasion of New Mexico.
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Heard this on a tik tok video. Let Texas leave. Make D.C. a state. No change to flag, and no change to congress. Then invade Texas. Make them a territory. Impose taffies on exported oil. Now Texas has no voice in congress (only some non-voting members), no voting in National elections, no EC votes. (The video was mostly in jest.)
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Old 22nd June 2022, 01:36 PM   #77
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If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell".

General Philip Sheridan.
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Old 22nd June 2022, 05:12 PM   #78
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
If I owned Texas and Hell, I would rent out Texas and live in Hell".

General Philip Sheridan.
Nah. Sheridan would have burned Austin,Dallas, Ft. Worth, Houston, San Antonio, and El Paso to the ground.
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The whole “secede” thing in Texas is really weird. I used to think it was harmless ribbing about how the rest of the country doesn’t really get Texas, a sort of overwrought state pride. But it has taken on darker meaning of late.

Joking with New Mexicans about who has better chili or Louisianans about the best fried catfish is one thing, but seeing if we can treat gays and women worse than Kansas does is a step too far.
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The unwholesome daffiness of Texas is nothing new.

Nowadays, we should perhaps take it more seriously. I dear Jesus hope the FBI does.
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