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Old 18th May 2005, 04:26 PM   #1
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Banned pregnant graduate walks anyway

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MONTGOMERY, Ala. -- A pregnant student who was banned from graduation at her Roman Catholic high school announced her own name and walked across the stage anyway at the close of the program.
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Old 18th May 2005, 04:54 PM   #2
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I applaud her. Takes lots of courage.

Some of the details were a bit disturbing, too:

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But her mother and aunt were escorted out of the church by police after Cosby headed back to her seat.
They had cops at the graduation?

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The father of Cosby's child, also a senior at the school, was allowed to participate in graduation.
How thoughtful.
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Old 18th May 2005, 05:36 PM   #3
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They had cops at the graduation?
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The school's guidance counselor delivered Cosby's degree to her house earlier Tuesday, but she still wanted to participate.
I wonder if the girl was warned by the guidance counselor not to attend, saying something like the girl would be removed from school property if she did attend. Perhaps, on learning the girl was going to attend anyway, the police were asked by the school to stand by in case the girl did in fact show up, and then she could be quickly removed.

I admire the girl's courage. I do not know what to say about the school, other-than none of it would be positive.
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Old 18th May 2005, 05:37 PM   #4
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They are making Cthulu look more and more tolerant everyday.
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Old 18th May 2005, 06:47 PM   #5
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This is... odd. I've never heard of Catholics doing anything like this. Don't get me wrong, the Church has some very stupid rules and very foolish viewpoints, but this is a very, very odd action to take.

Unfortunately, the story doesn't give any real information about this other than - basically - it happened. Very strange...
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Old 18th May 2005, 06:58 PM   #6
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maybe it is something to do with her safety

While some cheered some didnt.

pregnancy is a bit of a reality dose some dont wanna see.

gets them uncomfortable.
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Old 19th May 2005, 04:13 AM   #7
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This sort of prejudice is encountered all the time in the South. Having attended a school that had a strict No Pregnancy policy, I can vouch for this. The general attitude was that having pregnant students in the population encouraged sexual behavior, so as soon as it was known that the girls were with child, they were immediately placed in a home-schooling status. If they should be pregnant at the time of their graduation, their diplomas were held over and they were specifically told to NOT attend graduation. Granted, this was in the late '80s in a very small and very backwards town, but it wasn't unique in any way.

Thinking of this, I have to take a moment to recognize an old friend: Joi Mason. This girl was the first African-American I knew in the Honors program in DeSoto County High School, and she got pregnant (if my memory serves me) during her sophomore year. In spite of the commentary we all heard during her imposed absence, she not only returned to school, but graduated in the top 10% of her class, walked across that stage as an honors student, and even led the Choir in a rousing rendition of Lean On Me that caused our entire graduating class of 110 to stand up and dance and sing and stomp and ignore the Administration for a full 20 minutes. I will never, ever forget her. She was and will always remain one of my heroes.
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Old 19th May 2005, 05:17 AM   #8
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Hi zaayrdragon,

I am reminded of the film "The Dead Poet's Society".
I can hardly watch the film without a tear in my eye and a tightness in my throat. They didn't dance sing and stomp but the students stood on their desks (from where their teacher had given them a lesson in learning to view things differently) and saluted him as he left the classroom after being unjustly sacked by the principle for his supposed role in the suicide of one of his students.
(I was particularly impressed by the character played by Ethan Hawke.)

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Old 19th May 2005, 07:12 AM   #9
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Re: Banned pregnant graduate walks anyway

What's interesting is the self righteous moralists who banned her from graduation are most likely to be the downfall of this country while any hope we have lies with people like her with the courage to stand up to them. While you do hear about this sort of small mindedness, in my experience, most of the people I have encountered, even those in local authority, are broadminded and courageous and willing to stand up for what is right. I think, for all the awful people in the world and all the stories of stupidity and awfulness, most people are very decent and inclined toward tolerance and grace.
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Old 19th May 2005, 07:21 AM   #10
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It isn't terribly clear from the article, but was she banned because she got pregnant?

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Cosby was told in March that she could no longer attend school because of safety concerns, and her name was not listed in the graduation program.
What, exactly, were those "safety concerns"?
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Old 19th May 2005, 07:24 AM   #11
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I have to say that Zay's explanation makes a helluva lot more sense than the ubiquitous "Damned Catholics Again!" explanation. And I agree - in a time when guns, knives, drugs, gangs, educational quality are the REAL issues facing us, my blood boils whenever I hear about something stupid like a "no pregnancy" rule. What does her being pregnant have to do with her academic achievements?

I recently saw an interview (I think it was on CNN) where a kid was put into detention for hugging her boyfriend in the hallway between classes because she "violated the 3-second rule". (This school has apparently implemented a "3-second" limit to hugging.) The girl's mother was also on the show, and not only expressed her anger at this idiocy, but had gone to detention WITH her daughter as an expression of solidarity.

What do these school board and adminstrative idiots think? Do they believe that if kids hug for 5, 10, 20 or 30 seconds - or even kiss passionately - that they're going to have sex in the hallways and stairwells next? Is that their priority, after all these school massacres?

Obsessing over surpressing perfectly normal, positive human behavior and interactions has to be the stupidest waste of educational time and money I can imagine. Good grief.
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Old 19th May 2005, 09:43 AM   #12
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This is so close to the movie "Saved!" except in the movie it was the prom, not graduation.
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Old 19th May 2005, 10:08 AM   #13
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The father of Cosby's child, also a senior at the school, was allowed to participate in graduation.
I think that's what pisses me off the most. The father's "sin" is less than that of the mother's? What century are we living in?
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Old 19th May 2005, 10:20 AM   #14
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I think that's what pisses me off the most. The father's "sin" is less than that of the mother's? What century are we living in?
Yeah, the whole thing stinks like week-old fish in the sun. Worse - my cynical side immediately jumped up and said "Those freaking hypocrites - they're letting 'daddy' go because he doesn't 'show'".

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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Old 19th May 2005, 11:07 AM   #15
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I agree with CFLarsen. Alot of you are jumping to conclusions. Did you read the article? It didn't say she was banned because she was pregnant. it said:

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A pregnant student who was banned from graduation at her Roman Catholic high school announced her own name and walked across the stage anyway at the close of the program.
It didnt say why she was banned. Maybe she punched the principle because he made a "fat" joke.

In fact her mother was quoted as saying:

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My daughter has been through a lot and I am proud of her
What else has she been through? Could this extra stuff be the reason she was banned.

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Old 19th May 2005, 11:15 AM   #16
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It isn't terribly clear from the article, but was she banned because she got pregnant?

What, exactly, were those "safety concerns"?
I would say if they are serious then the other students. They dont like to see pregnant girls, tends to bring reality to close for comfort.

Then to protect themselves they get judgemental-like and well usually not physical (but can be) however, definately verbally abusive.

And the law of no pregancy confirms them to behave in this pack like manner. Rather than seeing the girl for the person she is.

Generally cant fanthom themselves in the position and if they were then they would see what creeps they were.
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Old 19th May 2005, 11:27 AM   #17
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Here's an ugly thought. What if this was/is a mixed racial relationship? There might very well be "safety concerns" in Montgomery, Alabama, if that's the case.

This was where the now-famous bus boycott happened due to a 1955 incident that essentially started the early civil rights movement, and it was where the Selma-to-Montgomery civil rights march ended in 1965. (They were attacked by police with billy clubs. Two days later, Martin Luther King, Jr. did a symbolic march there in support of the movement.

I don't know what the local conditions and attitudes are there today... but...
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Old 19th May 2005, 11:36 AM   #18
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What, exactly, were those "safety concerns"?
Posibilties include:

Haveing pegnat women in an area that is ground zero for any infection in the region may not always be a great idea.

If the school is anywhere near as "physical" as some then then there are going to be worries over injuries to the featus.
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Old 19th May 2005, 12:55 PM   #19
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Here's an ugly thought. What if this was/is a mixed racial relationship? There might very well be "safety concerns" in Montgomery, Alabama, if that's the case.

This was where the now-famous bus boycott happened due to a 1955 incident that essentially started the early civil rights movement, and it was where the Selma-to-Montgomery civil rights march ended in 1965. (They were attacked by police with billy clubs. Two days later, Martin Luther King, Jr. did a symbolic march there in support of the movement.

I don't know what the local conditions and attitudes are there today... but...
I don't think anything would happen, but it would negatively impact the school's image for sure. Racism still exists there (former native), everyone just pretends it doesn't and don't do anything about it.
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Old 19th May 2005, 01:10 PM   #20
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I think that's what pisses me off the most. The father's "sin" is less than that of the mother's? What century are we living in?
Somewhere around 1937 or 1938, methinks.
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Old 19th May 2005, 03:37 PM   #21
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I recently saw an interview (I think it was on CNN) where a kid was put into detention for hugging her boyfriend in the hallway between classes because she "violated the 3-second rule". (This school has apparently implemented a "3-second" limit to hugging.) The girl's mother was also on the show, and not only expressed her anger at this idiocy, but had gone to detention WITH her daughter as an expression of solidarity.
This is a little light. She was not given detention because she "hugged too long." It was because she blatently continued to hug her boyfriend after being warned on many occasions that she was overdoing it.

It wasn't the hug that was the problem, it was her disregard for school authority, who got fed up with her. They set rules against excessive PDA, and she regularly broke them.

And I'm guessing it wasn't just "hugging" that they were doing.

Don't listen to the mother in this story. She is not much of an unbiased source. I put her testimony right up there with a Bill OReilly claim that some student was punished for praying at school.

While one side sits and complains about the lack of morals in school, this school gets criticized for actually trying to enforce an environment focused on learning as opposed to making out and assgrabbing in the hallway between classes.
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