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Old Today, 08:05 AM   #1121
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
Alternatives to the back stop -

- hard border between NI and Eire
- remove Eire from the customs union
- move the backstop to the English Channel and treat goods from Eire as exempted from tariffs.
1. Not wanted
2. Not a chance
3. Sell that to the DUP.

Also "Éire" as the name of the state is obsolete.
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Originally Posted by ceptimus View Post
The EU want the border to stay open.

The Irish (north and south) want the border to stay open.

The British want the border to stay open.

The real question then is: who on earth is going to close the border, and why?

I suppose you think the EU will reluctantly close the border to preserve the purity of their market, even though they don't really want to, and it will be bitterly opposed by the Irish?

When the overwhelming majority of people want something to happen, why would they then prevent it from happening? That really would be politics gone mad.

If "the rules" mean that you can't do what everyone wants, then it's time to change the rules: these are rules invented by politicians - they're not laws of physics.
The British Government wants the border to stay open, but sets preconditions that mean it can't without breaking some of the British red lines.

The British Government claims to want an open border except where they want it to be closed. A sort of Schrodinger's boarder.

Johnson wants a technological solution, but hasn't defined what it is that he thinks he wants that would solve the issue.

There is no technical solution that can deliver a border that is open to those with legitimate reasons to cross the border, whilst managing to be closed to those same people if their reasons for crossing the border are not legitimate on that occasion.

And if you then are aiming to make enable free movement at the designated crossing points, whilst preventing movement outside these points, that is going to involve either a hard border, and/or a lot of restriction of civil liberties on both sides of the border.

And all to deliver something that the majority no longer want, and which will cause massive damage to the UK, including deaths.

"The tree of English Exceptionalism needs periodic watering with the blood of cancer patients" doesn't seem an attractive slogan to me.
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