ISF Logo   IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Non-USA & General Politics

Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Tags Brexit

Old Today, 08:05 AM   #1121
No longer the 1
catsmate's Avatar
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 20,696
Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
Alternatives to the back stop -

- hard border between NI and Eire
- remove Eire from the customs union
- move the backstop to the English Channel and treat goods from Eire as exempted from tariffs.
1. Not wanted
2. Not a chance
3. Sell that to the DUP.

Also "Éire" as the name of the state is obsolete.
As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.
catsmate is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old Today, 08:57 AM   #1122
Uncritical "thinker"
jimbob's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 21,157
Originally Posted by ceptimus View Post
The EU want the border to stay open.

The Irish (north and south) want the border to stay open.

The British want the border to stay open.

The real question then is: who on earth is going to close the border, and why?

I suppose you think the EU will reluctantly close the border to preserve the purity of their market, even though they don't really want to, and it will be bitterly opposed by the Irish?

When the overwhelming majority of people want something to happen, why would they then prevent it from happening? That really would be politics gone mad.

If "the rules" mean that you can't do what everyone wants, then it's time to change the rules: these are rules invented by politicians - they're not laws of physics.
The British Government wants the border to stay open, but sets preconditions that mean it can't without breaking some of the British red lines.

The British Government claims to want an open border except where they want it to be closed. A sort of Schrodinger's boarder.

Johnson wants a technological solution, but hasn't defined what it is that he thinks he wants that would solve the issue.

There is no technical solution that can deliver a border that is open to those with legitimate reasons to cross the border, whilst managing to be closed to those same people if their reasons for crossing the border are not legitimate on that occasion.

And if you then are aiming to make enable free movement at the designated crossing points, whilst preventing movement outside these points, that is going to involve either a hard border, and/or a lot of restriction of civil liberties on both sides of the border.

And all to deliver something that the majority no longer want, and which will cause massive damage to the UK, including deaths.

"The tree of English Exceptionalism needs periodic watering with the blood of cancer patients" doesn't seem an attractive slogan to me.
OECD healthcare spending
Expenditure on healthcare
link is 2015 data (2013 Data below):
UK 8.5% of GDP of which 83.3% is public expenditure - 7.1% of GDP is public spending
US 16.4% of GDP of which 48.2% is public expenditure - 7.9% of GDP is public spending
jimbob is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Non-USA & General Politics


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:40 AM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.