Continuation Brexit: Now What? The Perfect 10.

[Captain_Swoop]

Digging further

Pulse fishing for commercial purposes was banned by the EU in 1998.

In 2019 the EU banned its use in research, with a transition period to July 2021.

Only two UK ships still used Pulse Fishing.

[Captain_Swoop]

Boris on Marr this morning lying that we've got extra money because we left the EU.

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

EU laws already allowed member states to ban 'Pulse Fishing' Belgium and France banned it last year.
A complete EU wide ban comes in to effect in June this year.

Only 2 British trawlers still used it last yea.

Why wasn't it a good idea when we were members?

Why, that is easy.
See, when the evil EU bureaucracy introduced this without any input of the UK it was Europeans stopping British free enterprise against the wishes of British citizens.

Whereas now it's the glorious Tory party saving the environment against the wishes of the evil EU.

[Airfix]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Digging further

Pulse fishing for commercial purposes was banned by the EU in 1998.

In 2019 the EU banned its use in research, with a transition period to July 2021.

Only two UK ships still used Pulse Fishing.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1781323.html

The EU gave permission for six vessels to continue pulse fishing.
Permitting pulse fishing isn't a ban.

Ok, we're out, what the EU does now in it's territory is no business of ours, but if you're going to argue that pulse fishing for commercial purposes was banned by the EU in 1998, you're mistaken. Those still permitted to do it by the EU are doing so for commercial reasons.

[Captain_Swoop]

DHL now have a "Brexit Charge" and UPS a "UK Border Fee" on items to and from the EU to cover uncertainties over customs declarations and transit delays.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

DHL now have a "Brexit Charge" and UPS a "UK Border Fee" on items to and from the EU to cover uncertainties over customs declarations and transit delays.

Project Fear™ again. You are making that up there will be no such thing.

[Captain_Swoop]

Just got a couple of quotes for a parcel to Belgium. They are charging £4.50 (before vat)

Updated my delivery charges on the web shop to reflect it.

Not selling anything to Europe under £35 now, same as for USA, Canada and Australia.

[catsmate]

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Maybe that means more jobs, but they are jobs that produce nothing of real value, unless you consider bureaucratic paperwork to have value.

Remember one of the Leaver Lies was Britain's ability to avoid "European red tape".

Originally Posted by Puppycow

I guess the one good thing you can say about this deal is that it still beats no deal at all.

Meh, "no deal" was more of a phantasm to scare people than a reality.

[Captain_Swoop]

Originally Posted by catsmate

Remember one of the Leaver Lies was Britain's ability to avoid "European red tape".

Well, it's been replaced with good British red tape. (Probably made in France at the same factory producing our passports)

[catsmate]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Conservatives tweeted
@Conservatives
We have taken back control of our laws and banned pulse fishing in British waters to help to safeguard our marine environment.

Ah, yet another example of a Leaver Lie....
Electric pulse finishing was banned by the EU (in '07 IIRR) with limited exemptions, most of which were used bu trawlers registered in <drum roll> the UK.

[Captain_Swoop]

Nigel Farage tweets

@Nigel_Farage
Just been to a local supermarket.
The expressions of relief, joy and thanks that we are out of the EU were extraordinary.
Needless to say, I wasn't in Central London.

Stopping China is the next big battle to fight.

See the arrogance of Chinese state media. They intend to rule the world.
Quote Tweet

Chen Weihua （陈卫华）
@chenweihua
This is like Mr Farage standing in the middle of the railway trying to stop the incoming train. The result: He is crushed. BTW, Chinese bullet train runs much faster.

[catsmate]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

DHL now have a "Brexit Charge" and UPS a "UK Border Fee" on items to and from the EU to cover uncertainties over customs declarations and transit delays.

But blue passports.....

[Captain_Swoop]

I have an idea for Nigel, the European nations could band together in some sort of economic and political union to fight the growing economic and political strength of China.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

I have an idea for Nigel, the European nations could band together in some sort of economic and political union to fight the growing economic and political strength of China.

If it was good enough for Churchill I’m sure Nigel would be for it.

[Captain_Swoop]

Originally Posted by Darat

If it was good enough for Churchill I’m sure Nigel would be for it.

Maggie was all for it too.
She fought hard to get the UK a good deal with real influence in the EU.

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Nigel Farage tweets

@Nigel_Farage
Just been to a local supermarket.
The expressions of relief, joy and thanks that we are out of the EU were extraordinary.
Needless to say, I wasn't in Central London.

Stopping China is the next big battle to fight.

See the arrogance of Chinese state media. They intend to rule the world.
Quote Tweet

Chen Weihua （陈卫华）
@chenweihua
This is like Mr Farage standing in the middle of the railway trying to stop the incoming train. The result: He is crushed. BTW, Chinese bullet train runs much faster.

Well, now it the time to prove that a smaller nation can get better trade deals and international agreements than a larger entity like the EU, blaze the way!

[Airfix]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

DHL now have a "Brexit Charge" and UPS a "UK Border Fee" on items to and from the EU to cover uncertainties over customs declarations and transit delays.

You haven't stated how much that fee is.
Is it insignificant by any chance ?

[Airfix]

Originally Posted by catsmate

Meh, "no deal" was more of a phantasm to scare people than a reality.

It was a negotiating position, nothing more.
A threat intended to strengthen our hand and get a better deal.

Anyway, "no deal" is gone.
Done.

Forget about it.

[Airfix]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Nigel Farage tweets

Who ?

Yesterday's man.

[Pixel42]

Originally Posted by Airfix

It was a negotiating position, nothing more.
A threat intended to strengthen our hand and get a better deal.

Or alternatively a way for Boris to ensure any deal he agreed to at the last minute would be accepted by Parliament, no matter how crap it was, as the only alternative was the catastrophe of no deal.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Airfix

You haven't stated how much that fee is.
Is it insignificant by any chance ?

Minimum 5 euros for DHL.

[Airfix]

That's not a lot of cash.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Airfix

That's not a lot of cash.

[GlennB]

Originally Posted by Airfix

That's not a lot of cash.

It doubles the cost of a €5 item though. (Or as Darat rightly says)

[catsmate]

Originally Posted by Darat

Yeah.

[Airfix]

Originally Posted by GlennB

It doubles the cost of a €5 item though. (Or as Darat rightly says)

Only temporarily.

Hardly compares to all the trouble and costs remainers have caused by trying to cancel Brexit.

If it hadn't been for this stupid people's vote nonsense the 2019 election wouldn't have happened, the risk of fox hunting being re legalised wouldn't have appeared, the Tories wouldn't have an absolute majority, and the odds are a deal more suited to your preferences could have happened.

We had a vote, Parliament stated that it would honour that vote, then voted to honour it, so it's not just "advisory", then we had a general election. Labour backed leaving the EU, and gained seats, the Tories lost their majority.

Then Labour stopped backing leaving the EU, there was another general election and Labour handed absolute power to Boris Johnson.

When will your side learn that you've empowered the ERG by not providing a moderate alternative ?

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Airfix

Only temporarily.

Hardly compares to all the trouble and costs remainers have caused by trying to cancel Brexit.

If it hadn't been for this stupid people's vote nonsense the 2019 election wouldn't have happened, the risk of fox hunting being re legalised wouldn't have appeared, the Tories wouldn't have an absolute majority, and the odds are a deal more suited to your preferences could have happened.

We had a vote, Parliament stated that it would honour that vote, then voted to honour it, so it's not just "advisory", then we had a general election. Labour backed leaving the EU, and gained seats, the Tories lost their majority.

Then Labour stopped backing leaving the EU, there was another general election and Labour handed absolute power to Boris Johnson.

When will your side learn that you've empowered the ERG by not providing a moderate alternative ?

Wow.

[RolandRat]

Leaver says "this is why I voted Leave" then proceeds to list all his grievances. Then all those grievances get shown to either be the fault of the UK government or to simply be not true.

Leaver refuses to say "oh ok, you're right. My fears where unfounded. The facts are simply there to show me my arguments where false". They stubbornly hold on to their stated view that the EU is the evil entity.

Makes you wonder why really. Why are they so impervious to facts? It's almost like they use their alleged grievances as a smoke screen for why they really voted leave.

[Jack by the hedge]

Originally Posted by Airfix

Then Labour stopped backing leaving the EU

That didn't happen.

Labour said they'd renegotiate the withdrawal agreement for some kind of softer Brexit, and put that to a referendum.

That's not stopping backing leaving.

It wasn't a policy that voters were convinced they could deliver and instead of appealing to both sides it repelled both.

If Labour had wanted to produce some middle ground where they persuaded their remain supporters that we had to leave but they would make it as un-damaging as possible, while persuading their leave supporters that they would definitely leave, then they had one job to do which they utterly failed at: they had to look as if they were a competent government in waiting.

Corbyn's shadow front bench (assisted by the hostile press of course but that's a given for Labour) never, ever looked like they were a safer pair of hand to drop the country into than Boris Johnson's. That's how bad they were.

[abaddon]

Originally Posted by RolandRat

Leaver says "this is why I voted Leave" then proceeds to list all his grievances. Then all those grievances get shown to either be the fault of the UK government or to simply be not true.

Leaver refuses to say "oh ok, you're right. My fears where unfounded. The facts are simply there to show me my arguments where false". They stubbornly hold on to their stated view that the EU is the evil entity.

Makes you wonder why really. Why are they so impervious to facts? It's almost like they use their alleged grievances as a smoke screen for why they really voted leave.

I still have not seen what exactly brexiteers think they have "won".

[Captain_Swoop]

Originally Posted by Airfix

You haven't stated how much that fee is.
Is it insignificant by any chance ?

For the quotes I got which were for £12 items it was £4.50 on top of a charge for shipping of £8

[Captain_Swoop]

Originally Posted by Airfix

That's not a lot of cash.

It is on a £12 item and it adds up to a considerable amount on a lot of the items I ship when the shipping cost is about £6 to £10 depending on weight.

[Captain_Swoop]

Originally Posted by abaddon

I still have not seen what exactly brexiteers think they have "won".

Blue passports and no darkies.

Turns out he Passports are made in France and the darkies are still here.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Blue passports printed in France and assembled in Poland and no darkies.

Turns out he Passports are made in France and the darkies are still here.

FTFY!

[catsmate]

Originally Posted by Darat

Wow.

Indeed an interesting demonstration of how utterly out-of-touch with reality Brexiteers are. Unaware (and uncaring) of the small margins on many sales and utterly clueless about the realities of doing business.

The projection in the blaming of everyone else for the insanity of Brexit ("When will your side learn that you've empowered the ERG by not providing a moderate alternative ?" ) and the "trouble and costs remainers have caused by trying to cancel Brexit".

A fascinating insight into cultish thinking, very reminiscent of the MLMers, the Truthers and similar fringe groups.

[catsmate]

Originally Posted by RolandRat

Leaver says "this is why I voted Leave" then proceeds to list all his grievances. Then all those grievances get shown to either be the fault of the UK government or to simply be not true.

Leaver refuses to say "oh ok, you're right. My fears where unfounded. The facts are simply there to show me my arguments where false". They stubbornly hold on to their stated view that the EU is the evil entity.

Makes you wonder why really. Why are they so impervious to facts? It's almost like they use their alleged grievances as a smoke screen for why they really voted leave.

"We may never reason a man out of an opinion which he was never reasoned into".
The is no "reason" behind Brexit, merely delusion, ego, greed, fear of the "other" and ignorance.

[Lothian]

Originally Posted by Airfix

Only temporarily.

Hardly compares to all the trouble and costs remainers have caused by trying to cancel Brexit.

If it hadn't been for this stupid people's vote nonsense the 2019 election wouldn't have happened, the risk of fox hunting being re legalised wouldn't have appeared, the Tories wouldn't have an absolute majority, and the odds are a deal more suited to your preferences could have happened.

We had a vote, Parliament stated that it would honour that vote, then voted to honour it, so it's not just "advisory", then we had a general election. Labour backed leaving the EU, and gained seats, the Tories lost their majority.

Then Labour stopped backing leaving the EU, there was another general election and Labour handed absolute power to Boris Johnson.

When will your side learn that you've empowered the ERG by not providing a moderate alternative ?

There has been a large leave majority throughout parliament, either natural leavers or the born agains who found leave about a day after their constituency voted leave.

The in fighting which caused delay after delay was because the hard leavers and the soft leavers couldn't agree. Boris himself voted 6 times in one day against leaver motions that would have had us out well before we left.

I can see why leavers try to blame remainers for the crap situation we are in. However the fault lies firmly with the leave camp who couldn't make their minds up how to leave.

[Puppycow]

Originally Posted by Airfix

You haven't stated how much that fee is.
Is it insignificant by any chance ?

Hmmm.


UPS doesn't give a specific figure:

https://www.ups.com/gb/en/shipping/z...dditional.page

Quote:

UK Border Fee

A fee will be implemented, effective 01/01/2021, on all shipments (excluding letters and documents) exported and imported between European Union Countries and Great Britain (England, Scotland and Wales), as well as shipments between Northern Ireland and Great Britain. This fee covers the incremental transportation and handling costs due to network adjustments. It does not cover any additional brokerage services.

It even applies to shipments between NI and Great Britain. But they don't say how much the fee actually is.

[Captain_Swoop]

An additional hassle is I also have to fill out and attach a customs declaration form.

[lomiller]

Originally Posted by Airfix

It was a negotiating position, nothing more.
A threat intended to strengthen our hand and get a better deal.

Anyway, "no deal" is gone.
Done.

Forget about it.

Which makes ZERO sense. No deal hurts the UK far more than the EU so the threat of no deal would have bolstered the EU position should they choose to push the issue.

Furthermore "better deal" in the context of a trade deal means more inclusive with fewer barriers to trade. This deal is a terrible one that barely covers anything of major importance to the UK economy, so even if the point was to try and get a better deal it failed miserably.


Since a more inclusive deal helps BOTH sides, so the notion that you can get a deal more beneficial to your side by getting the other side the make sacrifices is down right stupid to begin with. The negotiations wrt making trade deals are to bridge the gaps in standards and practices.


As expected the EU didn't compromise on any of it's standards, nor would it have benefited people in the UK if it had. These are consumer and labor standards that Right wing politicians have been looking to strip away for years. Brexit means they are free to do so, just not on anything sold to the EU.