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Old Today, 07:21 AM   #2401
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"I have worked long & hard with Robert."

One thing is clear, Trump has never worked "long & hard" on anything.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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I am pleased to announce that I will name Robert C. O’Brien, currently serving as the very successful Special Presidential Envoy for Hostage Affairs at the State Department, as our new National Security Advisor. I have worked long & hard with Robert. He will do a great job!


This guy couldn't even convince Trump not to send him to Sweden this past summer, what chance does he have of actually "advising" Trump on actual matters of national security?
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Yes, I knew about the "some people did something" part, I was asking about the "Partying" part. There's nothing to explain that.
The video embedded in the tweet kinda covers it.

Man is ranting about IIhan Omar partying on 11 September and by way of proof has some video of her dancing/partying with some friends. There's no evidence that the dancing/partying was on that date.
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Ok I read those and still have no idea what anyone meant by ‘partying on 9/11 anniversary.’ I get the criticism of the terrible optics of what she said but I also understand her point at the time was that people who had nothing to do with the attacks have experienced serious repercussions.

It was meant like when gun fans say things like ‘somebody somewhere gets shot and now you want to take our guns?’ Bad optics but you can tell what their point was.
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Originally Posted by Dread Pirate Roberts View Post
This article will give you the background:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...11-victim.html
Where was the partying referred to in that?

I understand exactly what Omar was on about. It's unfortunate her message is being drowned out by the racists that have been told over and over we must call them Islamist terrorists or somehow we are not loyal Americans.

I would like to hear them called extremist Saudis, myself.
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
The video embedded in the tweet kinda covers it.

Man is ranting about IIhan Omar partying on 11 September and by way of proof has some video of her dancing/partying with some friends. There's no evidence that the dancing/partying was on that date.
Tweet's gone. I hope it was taken down because it appeared fraudulent.

Now we need Omar and the Democrats to denounce it as a lie, which is ironic because Trump has lied about 911 multiple times.
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
The video embedded in the tweet kinda covers it.

Man is ranting about IIhan Omar partying on 11 September and by way of proof has some video of her dancing/partying with some friends. There's no evidence that the dancing/partying was on that date.
There is evidence that it is not from that date. Video is from a Sept. 12 event. The tweet that was the source for the dancing video is very clear about where and when the event was taking place, so whoever put together the smear had to have known it was false. This is propaganda meant to rile up the Islamophobic base of the right.

Trump's desperation will be nasty. He will absolutely paint targets on people and hope that some idiot from his base takes action.
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The Trump Administration is revoking California’s Federal Waiver on emissions in order to produce far less expensive cars for the consumer, while at the same time making the cars substantially SAFER. This will lead to more production because of this pricing and safety......

.... advantage, and also due to the fact that older, highly polluting cars, will be replaced by new, extremely environmentally friendly cars. There will be very little difference in emissions between the California Standard and the new U.S. Standard, but the cars will be....

....far safer and much less expensive. Many more cars will be produced under the new and uniform standard, meaning significantly more JOBS, JOBS, JOBS! Automakers should seize this opportunity because without this alternative to California, you will be out of business.
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Just what the US auto industry needs at this exact moment, a sea change in regulation!
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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The Trump Administration is revoking California’s Federal Waiver on emissions in order to produce far less expensive cars for the consumer, while at the same time making the cars substantially SAFER. This will lead to more production because of this pricing and safety......

.... advantage, and also due to the fact that older, highly polluting cars, will be replaced by new, extremely environmentally friendly cars. There will be very little difference in emissions between the California Standard and the new U.S. Standard, but the cars will be....

....far safer and much less expensive. Many more cars will be produced under the new and uniform standard, meaning significantly more JOBS, JOBS, JOBS! Automakers should seize this opportunity because without this alternative to California, you will be out of business.
Fractally wrong. This is almost impressively wrong.
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
It's been taken down.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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The Trump Administration is revoking California’s Federal Waiver on emissions in order to produce far less expensive cars for the consumer, while at the same time making the cars substantially SAFER.

I'm really curious how lower pollution standards will make cars safer. The clouds of particulate will provide a cushion in a crash?
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I'm really curious how lower pollution standards will make cars safer. The clouds of particulate will provide a cushion in a crash?
The invisible hand will intercede for you. Think of it like one of those "Bigby's" spells from the D&D games.
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
I'm really curious how lower pollution standards will make cars safer. The clouds of particulate will provide a cushion in a crash?
I think the argument was "without the emissions regulations cars would be cheaper, so people could replace old (unsafe) cars with new (safer) cars."

Which is of course a bogus argument.

Hopefully, this will get bogged down in the courts for a few months, and even if Trump gets his way, car manufacturers will realize that the next Democratic government will probably just go and restore the standards, and just keep making things more efficient anyways.
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
I think the argument was "without the emissions regulations cars would be cheaper, so people could replace old (unsafe) cars with new (safer) cars."

Which is of course a bogus argument.

Hopefully, this will get bogged down in the courts for a few months, and even if Trump gets his way, car manufacturers will realize that the next Democratic government will probably just go and restore the standards, and just keep making things more efficient anyways.
Why is it bogus?
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Why is it bogus?
I don't have an opinion on that.
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I don't have an opinion on that.
Neither do I. That is why I asked.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
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I think the argument was "without the emissions regulations cars would be cheaper, so people could replace old (unsafe) cars with new (safer) cars."

Which is of course a bogus argument.
Why is it bogus?
Because the costs related to improved mileage would be a relatively small fraction of the cost of a new car (and would largely be offset by savings at the gas pump). Because people's purchases are often based on the status of their current car rather than the cost of a replacement.

Simply put, its doubtful that many will say "Oh new cars are now 1% cheaper. I'll ditch my old car that only has 10,000 miles on it to buy a new one". Instead, they will stay in their old cars until they die.

Oh, and there is anotehr 'excuse' given by Trump fanboys... that better fuel mileage requires lighter cars, which makes them unsafer. Which ignores the fact that making cars lighter doesn't necessarily make them unsafe (since safety often depends on things like crumple zones, which are independent of weight.)

ETA: It also ignores the issue of public health, such as respiratory diseases, caused by excessive exhaust emissions. Trumps attempts to relax emissions standards will result in more public harm from things like smog than could ever be saved by somehow 'safer' cars.
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Fractally wrong. This is almost impressively wrong.
Maybe he was having a go at writing a tribute to Ric Ocasek?
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On second thought, it can’t be that. There’s no mention of him once trying to pick up Ric’s hot wife.
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Jay Powell and the Federal Reserve Fail Again. No “guts,” no sense, no vision! A terrible communicator!
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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Jay Powell and the Federal Reserve Fail Again. No “guts,” no sense, no vision! A terrible communicator!
When did 'communicator' become the main function of the Fed chair? I thought the purpose of the fed's chair was to help set rates.
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I don't have an opinion on that.
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There is evidence that it is not from that date. Video is from a Sept. 12 event. The tweet that was the source for the dancing video is very clear about where and when the event was taking place, so whoever put together the smear had to have known it was false. This is propaganda meant to rile up the Islamophobic base of the right.

Trump's desperation will be nasty. He will absolutely paint targets on people and hope that some idiot from his base takes action.
Sept. 13th, actually - it was the CBC Foundation's annual conference that weekend, so of course there are also night events. But even if it were Sept 11th at night, um, who cares, when the planes hit in the morning? Are people with birthdays on 9/11 supposed to eat their birthday cake in a somber, solemn manner? Of course, I expect people who actually lost family and friends might mourn on the day, but for everyone else, I expect many to move on.

For example, the North Carolina GOP, who I haven't heard Dolt 45 chide in any way, despite his attacking Rep. Omar for some reason...
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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Jay Powell and the Federal Reserve Fail Again. No “guts,” no sense, no vision! A terrible communicator!
Trump got his unneeded rate cut and he's still unhappy?

Guess he wanted a bigger rate cut on his personal debts.

HuffPo (it's also in the WAPo): Trump Demands Fed Drop Rates To Zero. That Would Save Him $8 Million A Year.
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No Lindsey, it was a sign of strength that some people just don’t understand!

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The measured response by President @realDonaldTrump regarding the shooting down of an American drone was clearly seen by the Iranian regime as a sign of weakness.
I like to see the tiny cracks in the Graham/Trump relationship, though I'm no Iran hawk and I'd just as soon see "measured" responses against it.

Perceived missteps by Trump on U.S. national security is one thing that bothers the usually sycophantic GOP senators.
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I like to see the tiny cracks in the Graham/Trump relationship, though I'm no Iran hawk and I'd just as soon see "measured" responses against it.

Perceived missteps by Trump on U.S. national security is one thing that bothers the usually sycophantic GOP senators.
Except it's actually Trump being more "measured" on the subject. That says quite a bit about Graham. He was pretty much the only member of the 2016 Klown Kar with significant military service...except he was an Air Force lawyer.
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I notice the religious content in his tweets and rants is going up.
I have lost what little respect I ever had for evanglicals when they fell for Trump's phony religious act. It's not even a good con but the fundies eat it up.
That Trump never talked about religion until he ran for President should be a dead giveway it is just a political gimmick,but the evanglicals are either too ignorant or just plain stupid to pick up on that, despite it being screamngly obvious.
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I like to see the tiny cracks in the Graham/Trump relationship, though I'm no Iran hawk and I'd just as soon see "measured" responses against it.

Perceived missteps by Trump on U.S. national security is one thing that bothers the usually sycophantic GOP senators.
Not an Iran hawk, but also think that Iran gets cut a bit too much slack around here. IMHO morally, little to choose between Iran and Saudi, except that Iran seems to have a slightly better PR machine, and is smart enough to conduct it's killings on the quiet.
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It's been taken down.

Williams deleted his own twit.

Trump, however, hasn't.
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Just heard about Trump's Cokie Roberts comment.
What a total and complete narcissic Alpha Hotel he is.
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
I'm really curious how lower pollution standards will make cars safer. The clouds of particulate will provide a cushion in a crash?
I liked the Los Angeles Times editorial:
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Trump, who has a bizarre desire to increase air pollution in the United States, has for months threatened to withdraw California’s authority under the Clean Air Act to set its own limits for auto emissions...as it has done for more than five decades.

His reason? He doesn’t really have one. It’s mostly out of pique. Link
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I notice the religious content in his tweets and rants is going up....
It's incredible, makes one worry if he doesn't believe it already, that "I'm the chosen one" comment is becoming real to him.

And those religious hypocrites, what's one more fantasy?
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Not an Iran hawk, but also think that Iran gets cut a bit too much slack around here. IMHO morally, little to choose between Iran and Saudi, except that Iran seems to have a slightly better PR machine, and is smart enough to conduct it's killings on the quiet.
And yet our government sees Saudi Arabia is one of our closest allies, and Iran as one of our darkest enemies. Maybe there's reason to lighten up a little on iran, which was complying with its nuclear treaty until the U.S. cancelled it, and come down a little harder on SA, which in some ways would resemble North Korea if it didn't have oil.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Not an Iran hawk, but also think that Iran gets cut a bit too much slack around here. IMHO morally, little to choose between Iran and Saudi, except that Iran seems to have a slightly better PR machine, and is smart enough to conduct it's killings on the quiet.
You mean Saudi?


On a related note, the cruise missile remains shown to the public by Saudi Arabia had English letters and numbers on it. Even if Iran was responsible, it's almost certain those missiles originated with US arms manufacturers.
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Neither do I. That is why I asked.
For once, I'm with you.

I can't figure out how the argument is bogus, honestly.
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Because the costs related to improved mileage would be a relatively small fraction of the cost of a new car (and would largely be offset by savings at the gas pump). Because people's purchases are often based on the status of their current car rather than the cost of a replacement.

Simply put, its doubtful that many will say "Oh new cars are now 1% cheaper. I'll ditch my old car that only has 10,000 miles on it to buy a new one". Instead, they will stay in their old cars until they die.

Oh, and there is anotehr 'excuse' given by Trump fanboys... that better fuel mileage requires lighter cars, which makes them unsafer. Which ignores the fact that making cars lighter doesn't necessarily make them unsafe (since safety often depends on things like crumple zones, which are independent of weight.)

ETA: It also ignores the issue of public health, such as respiratory diseases, caused by excessive exhaust emissions. Trumps attempts to relax emissions standards will result in more public harm from things like smog than could ever be saved by somehow 'safer' cars.
Aaah, gotcha.

It does seem like the rare smog-related deaths would balance out the also rare deaths prevented by a small increase in safer, newer cars.
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Aaah, gotcha.

It does seem like the rare smog-related deaths would balance out the also rare deaths prevented by a small increase in safer, newer cars.
How rare are smog related deaths, though? When smog is bad, it is causing significant health problems for millions of people. What is the effect of ozone on lungs? Breathing all that smoke?

Just because people don't keel over from "smog" doesn't mean that smog isn't killing them.
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