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Old 9th April 2009, 12:23 PM   #1281
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
Please link to a tape where explosions can't be heard.
You made the claim. You should support it. My Open Letter to Richard Gage has links to relevant videos.
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Old 9th April 2009, 12:23 PM   #1282
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Thermite is not an explosive. So you fail. As has been already shown, "peer-review" is not exacty a term that is used with a vanity journal that is not accepted by the scientific community as valid.
It is accepted. No one in the scientific community has objected to their airtight findings.
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Old 9th April 2009, 12:24 PM   #1283
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
You violate the JREF rules against personal insults.

You also do not understand that gravity on earth acts vertically, not horizontally.

I want to thank you.

Visiters who come here looking for a debunking will read your posts and then be convinced I am correct.
... dirt dumb idea believers who visit will agree you are right. So; it is everyone’s right to be wrong like you and repeat lies on 911 without evidence? You can’t stay on topic as you spew delusional ideas on 911 like Jones does. Jones found rust and aluminum and declares super thermite, you repeat and then post off topic.

Yes, you are right the delusion seekers will pronounce you the winner of the dumb idea award and make a place for you in the 911Truth hall of experts on 911 who spew lies, hearsay and insane delusions. Can you be more anti-Galileo like as you ignore gravity, which Galileo understood, and you mock gravity?


Visitors will have to use just a tiny bit of a little logic to see you are spreading false information and being anti-Galileo like. Got super thermite ideas on 911? Then you have drank the kool-aid of Jones; must be in the name.

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Old 9th April 2009, 12:24 PM   #1284
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Please link to a tape where explosions can't be heard.
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Old 9th April 2009, 12:24 PM   #1285
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Originally Posted by GregoryUrich View Post
You made the claim. You should support it. My Open Letter to Richard Gage has links to relevant videos.
Has your open letter to Gage been published in a peer reviewed scientific journal? It has been over a year now, and plenty of time to do it.

I would even be impressed if it were published by a vanity journal.
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Old 9th April 2009, 12:25 PM   #1286
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Originally Posted by mark4mark View Post
Are you talking about the perimeter columns that fell over?
To audience: Is he talking about the perimeter columns that fell over?...
As far as I am aware the only columns bits which went that far were about 8 outliers from the spread of the columns which fell as you described.

They were only just outside the main "lozenge" patterns of the bulk of the columns.

Only two of them looked "suspicious" - the two upper left on the Verizon Building.

The rest are only just outside the bulk of material - the orange coloured lozenge shapes.


(Base image from FEMA)

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Old 9th April 2009, 12:26 PM   #1287
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
It is accepted. No one in the scientific community has objected to their airtight findings.
Since it was posted in an obscure vanity journal that nobody reads, I'm not surprised.
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Old 9th April 2009, 12:26 PM   #1288
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Originally Posted by GregoryUrich View Post
You made the claim. You should support it. My Open Letter to Richard Gage has links to relevant videos.
YOU made the claim that no videos have audio of explosions.
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Old 9th April 2009, 12:26 PM   #1289
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Opaque means light is blocked. Transparent means light passes through without serious distortion or coloor changes. TRANSLUCENT means that only limited light is allowed to pass through.
Jeez...my whole life i thought 'opaque' meant the same as 'translucent'. Thanks.
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Old 9th April 2009, 12:28 PM   #1290
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
It is accepted. No one in the scientific community has objected to their airtight findings.
What airtight findings? Does the scientific community even read that rag in the first place?
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Old 9th April 2009, 12:28 PM   #1291
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Originally Posted by lapman View Post
Since it was posted in an obscure vanity journal that nobody reads, I'm not surprised.
obscure? It is spreading around the world faster than the SARS virus!
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
military grade nano-thermite is explosive.
False. You're batting zero here. Where is your proof of the silent explosives that can hurl steel beams hundreds of feet? Funny how you cower away from that question.
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Old 9th April 2009, 12:30 PM   #1293
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
obscure? It is spreading around the world faster than the SARS virus!
Proof?
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Old 9th April 2009, 12:30 PM   #1294
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
What explosive did blow the columns 500 feet?
We have gone from military explosives packed into aircraft................to

Shaped/cutting charges.........................to

Thermite........................to

NanoThermite...........................?

The mass and density is becoming less and less as your cronies run out of theories...........Next week it will be INVISIBLETHERMITE.
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Old 9th April 2009, 12:30 PM   #1295
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I heard explosions and other loud noises in all three videos. Super nano-thermate explosions are not as loud as TNT you know.
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Old 9th April 2009, 12:31 PM   #1296
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Opaque doesn't mean see-through. It means light can pass through it. That mght not be visible to the naked eye but could be picked up by instruments
OK we'll take your definition - how the hell do they determine that from SEM photo? How the hell is light going to pass through an metal oxide or a flake of steel? How do they manage to tell that using an SEM photo? How an SEM Works.
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
Super nano-thermate explosions are not as loud as TNT you know.
Then they are less effective.

Your shipment of fail has arrived.
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I heard explosions and other loud noises in all three videos. Super nano-thermate explosions are not as loud as TNT you know.
Why are you lying on all counts?
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Old 9th April 2009, 12:35 PM   #1299
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A very kind JREF poster has given me a link to another person who has analysed chips obtained from Jones. More on that later but here is a nice photograph I'd like people to see. Can you tell why? Recognise anything? Anyone care to describe the individual layers and what conclusions they may lead to. This should be good. click on image.


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Old 9th April 2009, 12:36 PM   #1300
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Originally Posted by lapman View Post
Proof?
over 1000 comments posted here.

and as of two days ago:

There were over 600 comments posted as of yesterday on www.dailykos.com

over 50 on opednews (plus two new articles today)

over 700 on www.dailypaul.com

a few hundred on www.ronpaulforums,com

www.rawstory.com had over 200

and over 100 on www.spurstalk.com

several hundred at www.digg.com

over 200 on www.infowars.com

a few hundred on screw loose change.

Never challenge Galileo on the evidence. I am the father of modern experimentation.
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Old 9th April 2009, 12:42 PM   #1301
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
over 1000 comments posted here.

and as of two days ago:

There were over 600 comments posted as of yesterday on www.dailykos.com

over 50 on opednews (plus two new articles today)

over 700 on www.dailypaul.com

a few hundred on www.ronpaulforums,com

www.rawstory.com had over 200

and over 100 on www.spurstalk.com

several hundred at www.digg.com

over 200 on www.infowars.com

a few hundred on screw loose change.

Never challenge Galileo on the evidence. I am the father of modern experimentation.
All of it dross with zero proper analysis.
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Never challenge Galileo on the evidence. I am the father of modern experimentation.
Proof? All those numbers and posts prove is that you like to put up a lot of stupid posts in alot of stupid forums.

You are the father of BS if you are the father of anything.
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
The explosives have already been found.

Now it is YOUR job to argue them out of existence.
Two errors there
1) the false claim that explosives have been found with inference that they were used.

2) And it is a quite simple assignment to show:
a) Explosives not needed; AND
b) Explosives not used.

So if you ever want to seriously discuss it let me know - but I am not interested in feeding trolling behaviour.

Hint/Clue there were only three points of the collapse mechanisms where explosives and/or incendiaries could conceivably have been used.

1) At the __________________. Wasn't because visual evidence shows it wasn't.

2) To cut the ................ therefore precipitating the initial collapse. Would have needed a big team of fire suited suicide volunteers to place devices after the aircraft crash and fires raging.

3) To somehow assist the global collapse. Wasn't needed - "global collapse was inevitable" And no evidence of it being tried.
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Originally Posted by Galileo View Post
over 1000 comments posted here.

and as of two days ago:

There were over 600 comments posted as of yesterday on www.dailykos.com

over 50 on opednews (plus two new articles today)

over 700 on www.dailypaul.com

a few hundred on www.ronpaulforums,com

www.rawstory.com had over 200

and over 100 on www.spurstalk.com

several hundred at www.digg.com

over 200 on www.infowars.com

a few hundred on screw loose change.

Never challenge Galileo on the evidence. I am the father of modern experimentation.
Not one single scentific forum. Fail
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Old 9th April 2009, 12:45 PM   #1305
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A chip the size of jones' sample, if it was thermite, would be easily visible from a long distance when ignited (thermite burns brighter than the sun) and air resistance wouldn't be an issue as the small chips would easily be blown out of the building by the large fireball.
What does this mean? I really don't know. I suppose it means that the radiative intensity at the surface of a burning thermite chip is more than the intensity of solar radiation that hits an eyeball, here on earth.

But intensity is inversely proportional to the square of the distance. From, say, 200 m away, the intensity of your 2 mm thermite chip has dropped off by a factor of 4,000. So, if the intensity of solar radiation entering into our eyeballs is less than the intensity of a chip at it's surface by a factor of 10, it's still 400x weaker by the time it hits our eyes. I would not expect that our eyeballs can pick out specs far too small to see if they weren't luminous, just because they now radiate such that they are 400x weaker than sunshine.

Besides which, if they ignite ambient kerosene, their luminous output is going to be obscured not just by kerosene, but the smoke and dust that the burning kerosene creates.

If you look at the flame rate data, nanothermites weigh in at 700-900 m/second. Meanwhile, from the nanofoil people tell us that while the foil can reach 1500 deg C, it starts to cool and can be handled in "seconds". I think I recall reading that it cools at 1,000 deg /sec, but I'm not sure. Basically, they would hit their peak temperature 'long' before they exited the building (I'm assuming that they move the same velocity as the jet debris), and only glow at all for what I'll guesstimate is a fraction of a second.

If you want to make an argument that ignited specs, en masse, would register on our eyeballs, go ahead. You'll have to take into consideration obscuring, ignited kerosene and their luminosity profile as a function of time. Since you don't normally stare into the sun, you need to calculate reflected solar intensity entering your eyes. I'd guesstimate that a lower limit for this is 1/24 th the intensity of staring directly at the sun at high noon (based on eyeballing the power vs. angle of incidence graph here). You should also look into the relationship between luminosity and radiation, sensitivity of human eyeballs, etc.

Have fun. Maybe you can publish your work in a Bentham Open Journal.
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Never challenge Galileo on the evidence. I am the father of modern experimentation.
You are the anti-Galileo spewing lies, hearsay, and delusions as fast as you can post the tripe made up for you by others about super thermite destroying the WTC.
Your super thermite was not at the WTC on 911, it is in the mind of a fired delusional physicist who has to pay money to be published because his work is based on the same lies, hearsay, and delusions you believe. It is funny how many delusion believers are ranting on how great this failed smoking gun is for 911Truth.

How anti-Galileo like can you get super thermite boom man. How did those people survive in the core without being boomed to death by the super thermite? Why is there no evidence of super thermite blast effects on any of the WTC steel? lol

You failed to present evidence on 911, you presented your failed fantasy. Did you forget to bring the evidence?
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It is accepted. No one in the scientific community has objected to their airtight findings.
Nobody (outside of some of us here on JREF) in the scientific community knows about it or cares about it, to be honest...but you know that.

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....never challenge galileo on the evidence. I won't respond with anything intelligent and relevant.
fixed. :d :d
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A very kind JREF poster has given me a link to another person who has analysed chips obtained from Jones. More on that later but here is a nice photograph I'd like people to see. Can you tell why? Recognise anything? Anyone care to describe the individual layers and what conclusions they may lead to. This should be good. click on image.

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/583...sfromjo.th.jpg
sorry man, it looks like two layered carpet to me.

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Two errors there
1) the false claim that explosives have been found with inference that they were used.
The explosives were found in the residue from the explosions, so the inference is valid.
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READ POST 1299 - That SEM Photo clarifies once and for all that Jones' samples a-d are paint attached to hematite. No mistakes, no ifs, no buts, it clearly shows a crystalline metallic substrate called steel with an oxidised layer and then paint attached.

Stop with the BS, the spamming the insinuation etc - that photo sinks Jones et al.
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I'm having trouble with the father of modern experimentation not being able to see it (or the lack of it) if it bit him in the face.
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READ POST 1299 - That SEM Photo clarifies once and for all that Jones' samples a-d are paint attached to hematite. No mistakes, no ifs, no buts, it clearly shows a crystalline metallic substrate called steel with an oxidised layer and then paint attached.

Stop with the BS, the spamming the insinuation etc - that photo sinks Jones et al.
SO the person who provided you the photo, and analyzed Jones chips, what does he/she think of (A) the photo, and (B) his chips?

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The explosives were found in the residue from the explosions, so the inference is valid.
False. No explosive residue has been found.
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fixed. :d :d
You break the JREF rules. You changed my quote. Breaking the rules is not funny.
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READ POST 1299 - That SEM Photo clarifies once and for all that Jones' samples a-d are paint attached to hematite. No mistakes, no ifs, no buts, it clearly shows a crystalline metallic substrate called steel with an oxidised layer and then paint attached.

Stop with the BS, the spamming the insinuation etc - that photo sinks Jones et al.
I'm not qualified to analyze that picture, but I await the discussion of it eagerly. Please don't get frustrated. Your work is greatly appreciated here.
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Old 9th April 2009, 01:01 PM   #1317
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False. No explosive residue has been found.

Not true.


This peer reviewed scientific paper says their was.


Until a scientific paper is published to scientifically undermine it( as yet such ISNT the case), gill plate flapping and jumping up and down and screaming carries zero cerebral weight. None. Zilch. Nada.

Especially from you 19.99 Wal-mart starter kit teenage chemists around here
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Old 9th April 2009, 01:01 PM   #1318
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Originally Posted by Sunstealer View Post
READ POST 1299 - That SEM Photo clarifies once and for all that Jones' samples a-d are paint attached to hematite. No mistakes, no ifs, no buts, it clearly shows a crystalline metallic substrate called steel with an oxidised layer and then paint attached.

Stop with the BS, the spamming the insinuation etc - that photo sinks Jones et al.
Wrong! An international team of distinguished PhD scientists has debunked your notion.
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Old 9th April 2009, 01:04 PM   #1319
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Originally Posted by roundhead View Post
Not true.


This peer reviewed scientific paper says their was.


Until a scientific paper is published to scientifically undermine it( as yet such ISNT the case), gill plate flapping and jumping up and down and screaming carries zero cerebral weight. None. Zilch. Nada.

Especially from you 19.99 Wal-mart starter kit teenage chemists around here
sorry to inform you, but a single paper by one group of scientists with a single set of UNVERIFIED, UNREPEATED results, does not proof make.

Try again later.

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Old 9th April 2009, 01:07 PM   #1320
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Originally Posted by leftysergeant View Post
I keep getting refewrred to a YouTube video in which some idiot claims you can hear the demolition charges in the south tower, but at the end, you also hear Michael Hezarkhani's voice and a bunch of screaming women, but in the video there are only male fire fighters withion sight of the camera.

Do you believe that that was obviously manipulated?

No?

Oh, well. Let's be friends anyway. Did i tell you I am looking for a partner in a toll bridge oepration in NYC?
If there was a conspiracy to doctor the tape, someone would have talked by now.
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