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Old 8th August 2006, 12:08 PM   #1
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IAF vs ISM

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/747879.html
One idea Adam Shapiro and several other activists from the International Solidarity Movement are considering is to bring large numbers of people, rather than a few activists, into the Hezbollah strongholds of south Lebanon or south Beirut to try to protect them (from IAF raids) or draw attention to the plight of civilians there.

Well, I hope these ISM guys have a good death-benefit life insurance plan.
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Old 8th August 2006, 12:10 PM   #2
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I hope they do it, and I hope the IAF bombs them.

A win-win. They get to be famous martyrs, and I get to hear them shut up.

Yay!

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Old 8th August 2006, 12:27 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by webfusion View Post
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/747879.html
One idea Adam Shapiro and several other activists from the International Solidarity Movement are considering is to bring large numbers of people, rather than a few activists, into the Hezbollah strongholds of south Lebanon or south Beirut to try to protect them (from IAF raids) or draw attention to the plight of civilians there.

Well, I hope these ISM guys have a good death-benefit life insurance plan.
I wonder if they can get the usual band of useful idiots from hollywood to go along for the ride.
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Old 8th August 2006, 12:31 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Rob Lister View Post
I wonder if they can get the usual band of useful idiots from hollywood to go along for the ride.
That's probably asking too much. A pity.

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Old 8th August 2006, 01:17 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by Rob Lister View Post
I wonder if they can get the usual band of useful idiots from hollywood to go along for the ride.
Of course not. That would involve ACTUAL significant risk of them getting killed, not the sort of easy bravery of being a dissident in a liberal democracy. Just like Madonna is brave enough to "crucify" herself in Rome, but no pop star is going to dare parade around as Mohammed in panties.
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Old 8th August 2006, 01:33 PM   #6
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Ooh, Rachel ("What Bulldozer?") Corrie times 100.
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Without taking any opinion about the bombing themselves, I remember that they also went to Iraq before 2003 to serve as "human shields" against the "imperialistic American agression".

They wanted to guard hospitals and schools--and to later claim that it was because of their brave resistance that the USAF didn't bomb those hospitals and schools. Of course, in reality, they all knew that the USAF does not deliberately bomb hospitals and schools, so the risk they run is small.

The plan had a slight problem. Saddam welcomed them and wanted them to guard REAL military targets--such as ammunition dumbs, factories, etc. They cleared out of Iraq very quickly after that.
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Old 9th August 2006, 12:22 AM   #8
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A friend of mine stopped by last night. He volunteers with the police/border guards. He said there are outstanding arrest-and-deport warrants for a slew of ISM activists, many of whose locations are known (either in the West Bank or Jerusalem). We agreed that if it were a priority, the police would just up and arrest them right now; in the current political/security climate nobody important would notice enough to raise a stink.
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Old 9th August 2006, 01:05 AM   #9
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Quote:
We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours.
- Golda Meir to Anwar Saddat just before the peace talks
I think Meir's humanity offers a good perspective to keep in mind in this conflict too. It is too bad such leaders only come once in a while.
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Old 9th August 2006, 04:42 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by BPSCG View Post
Ooh, Rachel ("What Bulldozer?") Corrie times 100.
Whenever I think of her I'm reminded of the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy scene...

"Mr Dent, do you have any idea how much damage that bulldozer would sustain if I let it roll right over you?"
"No, how much?"
"None at all."

Is that wrong of me? I guess she wasn't a fan of Adams, or she would have known this.
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Old 9th August 2006, 11:37 AM   #11
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OMG!

In the past the charge has been leveled against the ISM that they purposefully place the lives of na´ve westerners in danger for propaganda purposes. This article seems to prove that charge to be true.
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