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Old 5th January 2019, 12:11 AM   #961
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Yes great response. You will win lots of friends this way.
ISF = International Skeptics Forum. There should be a comma after it. It really wasn't that hard to understand.
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Old 5th January 2019, 12:15 AM   #962
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You know, I kind of like the Quran/Book of Mormon approach to holy books. I have this book here. An angel gave it to me and I transcribed it. I don't have the original any more because I gave it back to the angel / I lost it / the dog ate it. It has a lot of stuff that looks like it was plagiarized from other holy books because those books were right, but have been corrupted over time by evil priests. Worship me and give me money.
I am intrigued by your ideas and wish to prescribe to your magazine!
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Old 5th January 2019, 12:21 AM   #963
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Old 5th January 2019, 04:24 PM   #964
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ISF = International Skeptics Forum. There should be a comma after it. It really wasn't that hard to understand.
Yes I should have got that one as I have before. Just a mental block I suppose.

Something I do find irksome however is the way a number of posters use these acronyms often. It should be remembered that many who frequent these pages, do not have English as their first language, so can be left floundering. Don't be lazy and write it out in full, it's the courteous thing to do.
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Old 5th January 2019, 04:26 PM   #965
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You know, I kind of like the Quran/Book of Mormon approach to holy books. I have this book here. An angel gave it to me and I transcribed it. I don't have the original any more because I gave it back to the angel / I lost it / the dog ate it. It has a lot of stuff that looks like it was plagiarized from other holy books because those books were right, but have been corrupted over time by evil priests. Worship me and give me money.
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I am intrigued by your ideas and wish to prescribe to your magazine!
Me too. Definitely has promise.
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Old 30th January 2019, 03:04 AM   #966
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Quran 2.26 Allah does not shy away from making an example of a mosquito and what is above it. As for those who believe, they know that it is the Truth from their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, they say, "What did Allah intend by this example?" He leads astray many thereby, and He guides many thereby; but He misleads thereby only the evildoers.

Mosquitos have their own parasites.

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Old 30th January 2019, 03:13 AM   #967
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Wouldn't a parasite be below the mosquito on the supposed cosmic ladder? Or are mosquitos above us too?

And are you seriously suggesting that the fact that disease transmitting bloodsucking monsters have their own horrible parasites that infect and kill them is somehow a sign of the power of your god? Then your god appears to be a sadistic monster.
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Old 30th January 2019, 01:40 PM   #968
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Old 30th January 2019, 08:19 PM   #969
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How convenient,

Quran's god Allah makes pretty much everything in existence signs and miracles for him. Even misquotes and olive oil.

What happen to miracles in their real sense ?
Stuff that suspend laws of nature at the demand and need of his messengers..

Quran's purported literary superiority (over who knows whom) is put forth as one of the biggest miracles. Who are you kidding allah ? (Muslims, of course).
You know that muslims don't know much about literature. I never heard of a devout Muslim who read -for example- Les Miserables.
This so called literary "miracle" is also so limited in its scope. It only applies to the usage of the Arabic language. (That is the 7th century Arabic only). It loses all of its "miracle effect" once it's translated out of the Arabic language.
Pretty much all the mastepieces of the world's literature has been translated to many different languages and no one complains about a massive loss of literary value in them through the act of translating. But "Allah's word" Quran loses all of its "literary miracle" once it's not Arabic..

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Old 31st January 2019, 08:46 PM   #970
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Fire Whirl/Tornado


[Quran 2.266] Would anyone of you like to have a garden of palms and vines, under which rivers flow, with all kinds of fruit in it for him, and old age has stricken him, and he has weak children, then a tornado containing fire burns it? Thus Allah makes clear the signs for you, so that you may reflect.

http://www.miracles-of-quran.com/fire_whirl.htm

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Old 31st January 2019, 09:04 PM   #971
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Fire Whirl/Tornado


[Quran 2.266] Would anyone of you like to have a garden of palms and vines, under which rivers flow, with all kinds of fruit in it for him, and old age has stricken him, and he has weak children, then a tornado containing fire burns it? Thus Allah makes clear the signs for you, so that you may reflect.

http://www.miracles-of-quran.com/fire_whirl.htm

What's your miracle here ?
Do you suppose that no one knew about this kind of weather events in the past?
Childish stuff..
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Old 1st February 2019, 01:57 AM   #973
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I see your fire tornado and raise you a sharknado.
Allah never thought of that, did he?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY3zn_-giXQ

The signs are clear, so you may reflect.
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Old 1st February 2019, 02:25 AM   #974
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Fire Whirl/Tornado


[Quran 2.266] Would anyone of you like to have a garden of palms and vines, under which rivers flow, with all kinds of fruit in it for him, and old age has stricken him, and he has weak children, then a tornado containing fire burns it? Thus Allah makes clear the signs for you, so that you may reflect.

http://www.miracles-of-quran.com/fire_whirl.htm
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Old 1st February 2019, 07:35 AM   #975
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Verily, the miracles do continue!

Quote:
Before there stood gods upon Olympus, or ever Allah was Allah, had wrought and rested MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI.

There are in Pegana Mung and Sish and Kib, and the maker of all small gods, who is MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI. Moreover, we have a faith in Roon and Slid.

And it has been said of old that all things that have been were wrought by the small gods, excepting only MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI, who made the gods and hath thereafter rested.

And none may pray to MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI but only the gods whom he hath made.

But at the Last will MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI forget to rest, and will make again new gods and other worlds, and will destroy the gods whom he hath made.

And the gods and the worlds shall depart, and there shall be only MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI.
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Old 1st February 2019, 07:57 AM   #976
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What's your miracle here ?
Indeed, a fire whirl is a natural phenomenon.
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Old 2nd February 2019, 09:33 AM   #977
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Fire Whirl/Tornado


[Quran 2.266] Would anyone of you like to have a garden of palms and vines, under which rivers flow, with all kinds of fruit in it for him, and old age has stricken him, and he has weak children, then a tornado containing fire burns it? Thus Allah makes clear the signs for you, so that you may reflect.

http://www.miracles-of-quran.com/fire_whirl.htm
Your prophet was kind of stupid if he thought that was a miracle.
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Old 3rd February 2019, 03:27 PM   #978
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The number of pi is identified with infinity in general and is shown as 3.1415.

Let me see what this corresponds to in the Qur'anic verses. I wonder if the eternal paradise and eternal life will be revealed about expressions. Yes, it really did:

3: 14-15


Quran 3:14 It has been adorned for people to love the desire of women, buildings, ornaments made from gold and silver, trained horses, the livestock, and fields. These are the enjoyment of the world, and with God is the best place of return.

Quran 3:15 Say, "Shall I inform you of what is greater than all this? For those who are aware, at their Lord there will be gardens with rivers flowing beneath, abiding there eternally, and purified mates, and an acceptance from God. God is Seer of the servants."
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Old 3rd February 2019, 03:37 PM   #979
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
The number of pi is identified with infinity in general and is shown as 3.1415.



Let me see what this corresponds to in the Qur'anic verses. I wonder if the eternal paradise and eternal life will be revealed about expressions. Yes, it really did:



3: 14-15





Quran 3:14 It has been adorned for people to love the desire of women, buildings, ornaments made from gold and silver, trained horses, the livestock, and fields. These are the enjoyment of the world, and with God is the best place of return.



Quran 3:15 Say, "Shall I inform you of what is greater than all this? For those who are aware, at their Lord there will be gardens with rivers flowing beneath, abiding there eternally, and purified mates, and an acceptance from God. God is Seer of the servants."
3.15 is not pi. Also none of those verses mention pi at all. They dont even mention eating pie eternally. How could your prophet be so negligent as to leave out any reference and explination of pi in his so called proof of pi?

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Also after doing some reading apparently the ancient Babbylonians and Egyptians knew about pi 4000 years ago, well before mohammed or even Jesus. So it was not much of a miracle by Allah or Gabriel or Mohammed if the pagan gods and/ or scholars could pass on more accruate and definate information regarding pi at a vastly earlier date.

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It's actually 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375 10582097494459230781640628620899862803482534211706 79821480865132823066470938446095505822317253594081 28481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381 96442881097566593344612847564823378678316527120190 91456485669234603486104543266482133936072602491412 73724587006606315588174881520920962829254091715364 36789259036001133053054882046652138414695194151160 94330572703657595919530921861173819326117931051185 48074462379962749567351885752724891227938183011949 12983367336244065664308602139494639522473719070217 98609437027705392171762931767523846748184676694051 32000568127145263560827785771342757789609173637178 72146844090122495343014654958537105079227968925892 35420199561121290219608640344181598136297747713099 60518707211349999998372978049951059731732816096318 59502445945534690830264252230825334468503526193118 81710100031378387528865875332083814206171776691473 03598253490428755468731159562863882353787593751957 78185778053217122680661300192787661119590921642019 89

Approximately.
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Doesn't sound very tempting but then I don't drink wine or ride horses. And riding horses after drinking wine is out of the question.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
The number of pi is identified with infinity in general and is shown as 3.1415.

Let me see what this corresponds to in the Qur'anic verses. I wonder if the eternal paradise and eternal life will be revealed about expressions. Yes, it really did:

3: 14-15


Quran 3:14 It has been adorned for people to love the desire of women, buildings, ornaments made from gold and silver, trained horses, the livestock, and fields. These are the enjoyment of the world, and with God is the best place of return.

Quran 3:15 Say, "Shall I inform you of what is greater than all this? For those who are aware, at their Lord there will be gardens with rivers flowing beneath, abiding there eternally, and purified mates, and an acceptance from God. God is Seer of the servants."

What about the golden ratio phi.

You know a+b/a = a/b solved as 2Cos36 or 1.618033989.....?

Any mention of this in your holy book?
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Doesn't sound very tempting but then I don't drink wine or ride horses. And riding horses after drinking wine is out of the question.
Do you ride wine and drink horses?
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What if you ride horses that drank red wine?
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The wine isn't an intoxicant, so not much like heaven
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
The number of pi is identified with infinity in general and is shown as 3.1415.

Let me see what this corresponds to in the Qur'anic verses. I wonder if the eternal paradise and eternal life will be revealed about expressions. Yes, it really did:

3: 14-15


Quran 3:14 It has been adorned for people to love the desire of women, buildings, ornaments made from gold and silver, trained horses, the livestock, and fields. These are the enjoyment of the world, and with God is the best place of return.

Quran 3:15 Say, "Shall I inform you of what is greater than all this? For those who are aware, at their Lord there will be gardens with rivers flowing beneath, abiding there eternally, and purified mates, and an acceptance from God. God is Seer of the servants."
What are you trying to achieve by posting about your preferred mythology here?
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Some other verses from the same book,


Quran ("Among them" is for male residents of heaven.):

52:24 "There will circulate among them [servant] boys [especially] for them, as if they were pearls well-protected."
56:17-18-19 "There will circulate among them young boys made eternal-With vessels, pitchers and a cup [of wine] from a flowing spring -No headache will they have therefrom, nor will they be intoxicated -"
76:19 "There will circulate among them young boys made eternal. When you see them, you would think them [as beautiful as] scattered pearls."

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Do you ride wine and drink horses?
Liquefying the horses is rather messy.

Wine surfing though might be fun.
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What if you ride horses that drank red wine?
Ghiddup, Dhobbin!

Originally Posted by MEequalsIxR View Post
Liquefying the horses is rather messy.

Wine surfing though might be fun.
You speak from experience!
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You speak from experience!
I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of the information requested but, hypothetically, if such data were to exist, the subject matter would be classified, and could not be disclosed.
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I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of the information requested but, hypothetically, if such data were to exist, the subject matter would be classified, and could not be disclosed.
Right.



So how much fun was it?
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Not as much as you'd think.
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Not as much as you'd think.
I'd play that game to fall off.

And I'd probably get better and better at it.
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28:81 We then caused the earth to swallow him and his mansion. He had no group that could protect him against God; nor would he be victorious.

28:82 Those who wished they were in his place the day before said, "Indeed it is God Who provides or restricts for whomever He chooses from among His servants. Had it not been for God's grace towards us, He could have caused the earth to swallow us as well. We now realize that the ingrates never succeed."
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Sinkholes

28:81 We then caused the earth to swallow him and his mansion. He had no group that could protect him against God; nor would he be victorious.

28:82 Those who wished they were in his place the day before said, "Indeed it is God Who provides or restricts for whomever He chooses from among His servants. Had it not been for God's grace towards us, He could have caused the earth to swallow us as well. We now realize that the ingrates never succeed."
So what if an old book talks about some events that happen in nature somewhere everyday for thousands of years? That's a miracle for you ?

And whose mansion is your book talking about here ? What is the supporting historical sources to this story ? Why should anyone care about this story ? I read hundreds of more interesting stories in the book of Arabian Nights.

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Originally Posted by winter salt View Post
So what if an old book talks about some events that happen in nature somewhere everyday for thousands of years? That's a miracle for you ?

And whose mansion is your book talking about here ? What is the supporting historical sources to this story ? Why should anyone care about this story ? I read hundreds of more interesting stories in the book of Arabian Nights.
I think the argument is that because natural things exist, therefore supernatural things also exist.
Also, not just any old supernatural things, but only the special ones that I believe in.
That anyone can sustain this kind of thinking in this day and age is, in itself, a miracle.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Sinkholes
...are not miracles.
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Sinkholes

28:81 We then caused the earth to swallow him and his mansion. He had no group that could protect him against God; nor would he be victorious.

28:82 Those who wished they were in his place the day before said, "Indeed it is God Who provides or restricts for whomever He chooses from among His servants. Had it not been for God's grace towards us, He could have caused the earth to swallow us as well. We now realize that the ingrates never succeed."
Why are you posting on this forum? You keep posting as if you were speaking to a bunch of Christians, but most the people on this forum are atheists or agnostics.

What are you trying to achieve here?
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
The number of pi is identified with infinity in general and is shown as 3.1415.

Let me see what this corresponds to in the Qur'anic verses. I wonder if the eternal paradise and eternal life will be revealed about expressions. Yes, it really did:

3: 14-15
Did you just round off pi and randomly decided the Quran was a reference to circles?
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
Sinkholes

28:81 We then caused the earth to swallow him and his mansion. He had no group that could protect him against God; nor would he be victorious.

28:82 Those who wished they were in his place the day before said, "Indeed it is God Who provides or restricts for whomever He chooses from among His servants. Had it not been for God's grace towards us, He could have caused the earth to swallow us as well. We now realize that the ingrates never succeed."
BREAKING: old book mentions natural phenomena, proves existence of the supernatural.
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