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Old 24th May 2020, 12:26 AM   #281
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Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
Now this is a nice gesture.

Ramadan: German church opens doors for Muslim prayers
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A church in Berlin has opened its doors to Muslim worshippers unable to fit into their mosque under new social distancing rules.
Germany allowed religious services to resume on 4 May but worshippers must maintain a distance of 1.5m (5ft).
As a result the Dar Assalam mosque in the city's Neukölln district could only hold a fraction of its congregation.
But the Martha Lutheran church in Kreuzberg offered to help by hosting Friday prayers at the end of Ramadan.

Appropriate. Kreuzberg is often called Little Istanbul. However, see post above.
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Old 24th May 2020, 02:22 PM   #282
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
Yeah, let's open those churches!

What could go wrong?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cdc-c...b6cc6f9b7344eb

Yes indeed Trump is taking on those who would view churches as non essential services while recognising liquor stores and abortion clinics as such. "What this country needs is more prayer not less." He claims.

Is there no limit to this guys stupidity? Ingesting or injecting disinfectant, taking drugs that worsen the effect of COVID-19, it just goes on and on.
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Old 24th May 2020, 02:31 PM   #283
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
Yeah, let's open those churches!

What could go wrong?

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/cdc-c...b6cc6f9b7344eb

I almost Od'd on schadenfreude yesterday as I rode past the empty carpark of the Hillsong Church near where I live. I wonder how successful their tithe collections are these days. The welded smiles on the faces of preachers may be turning into scowls.
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Old 24th May 2020, 02:50 PM   #284
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I almost Od'd on schadenfreude yesterday as I rode past the empty carpark of the Hillsong Church near where I live. I wonder how successful their tithe collections are these days. The welded smiles on the faces of preachers may be turning into scowls.
They've likely got the members set up with automatic deductions from their bank accounts. And don't have to spend money putting on the show. It's a win-win!
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Old 24th May 2020, 03:40 PM   #285
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I almost Od'd on schadenfreude yesterday as I rode past the empty carpark of the Hillsong Church near where I live. I wonder how successful their tithe collections are these days. The welded smiles on the faces of preachers may be turning into scowls.
There's been a piece or two on that very subject - https://www.economist.com/united-sta...ing-in-america

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Its income, which comes chiefly from weekly donations, plummeted. Several employees lost their jobs.
Boo ******* hoo.
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Old 25th May 2020, 01:09 AM   #286
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I don't think any Danish churches will have difficulties practicing social distancing now that they are reopening. They wouldn't even have had difficulties practicing social distancing before the outbreak - except, maybe, once a year. I'm surprised to hear that more than one third of the population visite a church on Xmas Eve, and I have a hard time believing it. Outside of the big cities, maybe ...

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According to the latest inquiry (!) about 2.4% of church members attend services every week, although on Christmas Eve more than a third of the population attend. However, the church is still widely used for traditional family ceremonies including christenings and confirmations. In the year 2017, 32.7% of weddings and 83.3% funerals were performed in the Church of Denmark, and 70% of children in grade 7–8 were confirmed. The level of weekly church attendance is similar to that in Norway and Sweden.
Church of Denmark: Faith and church attendance (Wikipedia)

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Mange kirker står i dag mere eller mindre tomme Tal viser, at kun to procent af folkekirkens medlemmer regelmæssigt går i kirke, hvilket betyder, at der nogle steder kun sidder to eller tre i kirken ved en almindelig højmesse.
Lad os lukke nogle af de tomme kirker (Nordjyske.dk, Feb. 18, 2007)
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Nowadays many churches are more or less empty. Numbers show that only two percent of the members of the Church of Denmark visit the church regularly, which means, that in some churches only two or three attend ordinary mass.
Let's close down some of the empty churches

In other words, Danish churches are the place to go if you feel the need to practice social distancing indoors.
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Old 25th May 2020, 01:43 AM   #287
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Mrs. Betty Bowers, America's best Christian, about the Evangelical grifters in the pandemic:
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Old 25th May 2020, 08:45 AM   #288
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So (rule of), a few days ago Trump declared religion essential and said he would override any governors who said otherwise. How many governors did he override? How many magachurches* opened up in defiance yesterday? I haven't heard anything about either.

*I first typed that by accident, went back to correct it, and decided to leave it.
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Old Yesterday, 01:50 PM   #289
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They will have to meet somewhere to pray the virus away, won't they?
I bet Wifi rays interfere with prayer power or something:

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“If there is a supernatural power, which a lot of us believe, would that power of prayer and divine intervention change the outcomes in a concerted fashion? That was our question.”
He stressed, “It has to be a true supernatural intervention.”
Lakkireddy admitted that even his own wife, a fellow physician, is “skeptical.”
“But it’s not like we’re putting anyone at risk,” he told NPR. “A miracle could happen. There’s always hope, right?
Researchers studying power of prayer in coronavirus patients (NYPost, May 3, 2020)

I think he may risk being sued for copyright infringement. Doesn't it sound an awful lot like Trump's slogans when he advertised for hydroxychloroquine?

I found it here at Anthony Jeselnik's twitter account.
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The Atlantic (May 29, 2020):
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I don't think any Danish churches will have difficulties practicing social distancing now that they are reopening. They wouldn't even have had difficulties practicing social distancing before the outbreak - except, maybe, once a year. I'm surprised to hear that more than one third of the population visite a church on Xmas Eve, and I have a hard time believing it. Outside of the big cities, maybe ...





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Nowadays many churches are more or less empty. Numbers show that only two percent of the members of the Church of Denmark visit the church regularly, which means, that in some churches only two or three attend ordinary mass.
Let's close down some of the empty churches

In other words, Danish churches are the place to go if you feel the need to practice social distancing indoors.
It's the same here in Norway. I don't know the exact numbers, but it's a family tradition for many. Often it's all the extended family, uncles, parents, grandparents etc celebrating christmas "the same way they always have". I can understand how they see value in doing it like that.
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"it's a family tradition", that's also how Helen Russell describes it in her book The Year of Living Danishly (GoodReads)
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