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Old Today, 07:56 AM   #81
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Thank you for continuing to avoid answering direct questions. The lack of a direct response speaks volumes.
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Originally Posted by Little 10 Toes View Post
Thank you for continuing to avoid answering direct questions. The lack of a direct response speaks volumes.
Which direct question do you have in mind?
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Old Today, 09:15 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by Michel H View Post
The case of Czechoslovakia is special because, in March 1939, its president Emil Hácha agreed himself to a German occupation after meeting Hitler:
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After the secession of Slovakia and Ruthenia, British Ambassador to Czechoslovakia Basil Newton advised President Hácha to meet with Hitler. ... Von Ribbentrop testified at the Nuremberg trials that during this meeting Hácha had told him that "he wanted to place the fate of the Czech State in the Führer's hands."
... by four o'clock he contacted Prague, effectively "signing Czechoslovakia away" to Germany.
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emil_H...lovak_Republic)

I just noticed that I failed to call you on your brazen dishonesty in this post. Here is the original quotation from the Wikipedia article, with the passages you omitted hilited:
After the secession of Slovakia and Ruthenia, British Ambassador to Czechoslovakia Basil Newton advised President Hácha to meet with Hitler. When Hácha first arrived in Berlin, he first met with the German Foreign Minister, Joachim von Ribbentrop prior to meeting with Hitler. Von Ribbentrop testified at the Nuremberg trials that during this meeting Hácha had told him that "he wanted to place the fate of the Czech State in the Führer's hands."

In the evening of 14 March 1939, Hitler summoned President Hácha to the Reich Chancellery in Berlin. Hitler deliberately kept him waiting for hours, while Hitler watched a film. Wilhelm Keitel in his memoirs recalled that when Hácha arrived Hitler said that "he was going to let the old gentleman rest and recover for two hours" which was incomprehensible to Keitel. Finally, at 1:30 a.m., on 15 March 1939, Hitler saw the President. He told Hácha that as they were speaking, the German army was about to invade Czechoslovakia.

Hitler then gave the Czech President two options: cooperate with Germany, in which case the "entry of German troops would take place in a tolerable manner" and "permit Czechoslovakia a generous life of her own, autonomy and a degree of national freedom..." or face a scenario in which "resistance would be broken by force of arms, using all means." Minutes of the conversation noted that for Hácha this was the most difficult decision of his life, but believed that in only a few years this decision would be comprehensible and in 50 years would probably be regarded as a blessing. According to Joachim Fest, Hácha suffered a heart attack induced by Göring's threat to bomb the capital and
by four o'clock he contacted Prague, effectively "signing Czechoslovakia away" to Germany. [notes omitted]
Kindly explain why you felt it necessary to edit the quotation to make it appear that Hácha's agreement was voluntary, when it was clearly under severe duress, and why you chose to omit the passages that clearly indicate that Hitler was going to invade what was left of Czechoslovakia with or without Hácha's cooperation.
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