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Old 19th October 2017, 12:16 AM   #241
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Yaayy! We have government again!!



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Assuming the Greens agree to it after their meeting presumably

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So what will Peters get? Deputy PM?
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Still concerned that these three parties have promised a big spend up. Where is the money going to come from?
My guess is that like all election promises, they'll be quietly forgotten.

Interesting fact: despite Labour's intended water tax, their highest increase in votes was in rural/regional areas, while the liberals of Auckland grew the blue vote.

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So what will Peters get? Deputy PM?
He's been offered it, but whether he takes it or not is up in the air. I expect he will, but he's also saying he has a range of Cabinet positions open, so may stick with that.

He was pretty useful at Foreign Affairs in the past, and after many years of the fat slug, Gerry Brownlee, our international friends would be glad to see him.
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My guess is that like all election promises, they'll be quietly forgotten.

Interesting fact: despite Labour's intended water tax, their highest increase in votes was in rural/regional areas, while the liberals of Auckland grew the blue vote.



He's been offered it, but whether he takes it or not is up in the air. I expect he will, but he's also saying he has a range of Cabinet positions open, so may stick with that.

He was pretty useful at Foreign Affairs in the past, and after many years of the fat slug, Gerry Brownlee, our international friends would be glad to see him.
I dream of being reincarnated as a Foreign Minister. See the world without ever putting your hand in your pocket, and get to piss off when things get hot at home. At his age, it would be a wonderful stipend.
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
Interesting fact: despite Labour's intended water tax, their highest increase in votes was in rural/regional areas, while the liberals of Auckland grew the blue vote.
I think the water tax will be a dead duck... Peters opposed it from the outset. He may still allow tax on exported bottle water, but I can't see him allowing the farmers to be hammered with it.
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
My guess is that like all election promises, they'll be quietly forgotten.

Interesting fact: despite Labour's intended water tax, their highest increase in votes was in rural/regional areas, while the liberals of Auckland grew the blue vote.



He's been offered it, but whether he takes it or not is up in the air. I expect he will, but he's also saying he has a range of Cabinet positions open, so may stick with that.

He was pretty useful at Foreign Affairs in the past, and after many years of the fat slug, Gerry Brownlee, our international friends would be glad to see him.
By many years of brownlee as foreign minister , do you mean the 5 months?

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By many years of brownlee as foreign minister , do you mean the 5 months?

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Yep. McCully was MFA since 2008

Mr Slug was Christchurch rebuild guy that did nothing but get in everyone's way, kept himself busy dreaming up lame excuses for why things weren't getting done, and generally peeing everyone off.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Yep. McCully was MFA since 2008

Mr Slug was Christchurch rebuild guy that did nothing but get in everyone's way, kept himself busy dreaming up lame excuses for why things weren't getting done, and generally peeing everyone off.
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By many years of brownlee as foreign minister , do you mean the 5 months?
Yep. Should have been McCully & Brownlee.

McCully isn't as fat, but was as worthless.
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Yep. Should have been McCully & Brownlee.

McCully isn't as fat, but was as worthless.
While I agree Brownlee was a bit of a waste of space, your opinion of McCully is obviously highlighting the open irrational hatred of anything the last govt did.

You will be saying English killed babies next

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Interesting fact: despite Labour's intended water tax, their highest increase in votes was in rural/regional areas, while the liberals of Auckland grew the blue vote.
Perhaps cockies can do the math better....
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Perhaps cockies can do the math better....
Indeed.

My bro-in-law is a cocky down the coast. In the last five or six years he has spent over $45,000 (plus paid time for his farm manager) doing riperian planting of his waterways and streams, and he refrained from using those paddocks and areas that he hadn't done yet. The idea of a water tax to him was an insult, so he has now stopped planting, and will wait until he hears what is going to happen with this new government. When I spoke to him this morning, he said words to the effect...

"**** 'em!. If they are going to charge me for my own water, then they can arrange for the plantings themselves, and pay for it out of the money they steal from me".


I can't say I disagree with this sentiment.
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Indeed.

My bro-in-law is a cocky down the coast. In the last five or six years he has spent over $45,000 (plus paid time for his farm manager) doing riperian planting of his waterways and streams, and he refrained from using those paddocks and areas that he hadn't done yet. The idea of a water tax to him was an insult, so he has now stopped planting, and will wait until he hears what is going to happen with this new government. When I spoke to him this morning, he said words to the effect...

"**** 'em!. If they are going to charge me for my own water, then they can arrange for the plantings themselves, and pay for it out of the money they steal from me".


I can't say I disagree with this sentiment.
From the information I was given, unless he has a irrigation scheme or a direct take from rivers, which he's had to get council approval for, his bill would be $0.00, and even those that are using irrigators won't be facing the bills that National and others claimed. I have direct from David Parker that the royalty will be 1-2 cents per meter cubed (i.e. 1,000 litres.) I worked out some time back that to be getting the massive bills of $60,000+ a year that was being claimed, farmers would have to be using the equivalent of 25 fire trucks at full pump 24/7 for the entire year, and if I recall right, I was working that at 10c not 1-2c.
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From the information I was given, unless he has a irrigation scheme or a direct take from rivers, which he's had to get council approval for, his bill would be $0.00, and even those that are using irrigators won't be facing the bills that National and others claimed. I have direct from David Parker that the royalty will be 1-2 cents per meter cubed (i.e. 1,000 litres.) I worked out some time back that to be getting the massive bills of $60,000+ a year that was being claimed, farmers would have to be using the equivalent of 25 fire trucks at full pump 24/7 for the entire year, and if I recall right, I was working that at 10c not 1-2c.
That's what you get when an announcement like that is handled so badly. Announcing that farmers were gong to pay a water tax, without giving any figures or details, and then insulting their intelligence by saying they would sort out the details after the election, was a very stupid thing to do. Politicians were asking for trust when they had done nothing to deserve it. Politicians have a really bad record in this country of *********** over New Zealand's primary producers.

PW, I don't know how old you are but do you remember when the Electricity industry was reformed? The government of the day (National IIRC because it was Max Bradford who did all the damage) guaranteed the New Zealand public that they would never sell the infrastructure. This guarantee came in the form of a deal they called "A Contract Carved in Stone". We'll it was actually written on dunny paper and was flushed down the bog pretty quickly. We ended up with dozens of line companies, some of whom extort their customers ruthlessly....

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That's what you get when an announcement like that is handled so badly. Announcing that farmers were gong to pay a water tax, without giving any figures or details, and then insulting their intelligence by saying they would sort out the details after the election, was a very stupid thing to do. Politicians were asking for trust when they had done nothing to deserve it. Politicians have a really bad record in this country of *********** over New Zealand's primary producers.

PW, I don't know how old you are but do you remember when the Electricity industry was reformed? The government of the day (National IIRC because it was Max Bradford who did all the damage) guaranteed the New Zealand public that they would never sell the infrastructure. This guarantee came in the form of a deal they called "A Contract Carved in Stone". We'll it was actually written on dunny paper and was flushed down the bog pretty quickly. We ended up with dozens of line companies, some of whom extort their customers ruthlessly....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/8464...-challenge-tlc
I well remember it. I also remember that there was an advert by one of the generation companies (I think Contact) telling us how they were so much more efficient now and were producing power at 4% less cost, all the while putting up the prices almost monthly.

I also agree that they should have come out and given the 1-2c figure at the time, even if they noted that they hadn't determined exactly where that would be between the two. It gave their opponents a lot of ability to attack them whereas had they put it out there at the time, they'd have stopped a lot of speculation and damage. That I actually had to write to the party to get some details was a stupid move on their part.
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I well remember it. I also remember that there was an advert by one of the generation companies (I think Contact) telling us how they were so much more efficient now and were producing power at 4% less cost, all the while putting up the prices almost monthly.
Yep, my power bills more that doubled in six years despite the fact that I used about 20% less kWh over the same period. Electricity charges in NZ are a rort.

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I also agree that they should have come out and given the 1-2c figure at the time, even if they noted that they hadn't determined exactly where that would be between the two. It gave their opponents a lot of ability to attack them whereas had they put it out there at the time, they'd have stopped a lot of speculation and damage. That I actually had to write to the party to get some details was a stupid move on their part.
I reckon its a dead duck now anyway. Winston has almost certainly killed the irrigation charges side of it, but will be happy to continue with the idea of charging exporting water bottlers.
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Yep, my power bills more that doubled in six years despite the fact that I used about 20% less kWh over the same period. Electricity charges in NZ are a rort.



I reckon its a dead duck now anyway. Winston has almost certainly killed the irrigation charges side of it, but will be happy to continue with the idea of charging exporting water bottlers.
While ignoring the massive ones like coca cola

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While ignoring the massive ones like coca cola

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At least they are selling the water back to NZer's and creating tax in the process. But then again, at the rates they are talking, Coca Cola wouldn't even notice it. Assuming every NZer drank a 2.5 litre of Coke Product a day, at a 10c royalty, that'd cost Coke $400,000. They just dropped $3 Billion on a advertising campaign because profits were down a few percent last quarter, less than half a million is chump change to them and NZers don't drink anywhere near that amount of their products.
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[quote=cullennz;12040815]While I agree Brownlee was a bit of a waste of space, your opinion of McCully is obviously highlighting the open irrational hatred of anything the last govt did.

You will be saying English killed babies next/QUOTE]

Sour grapes much?

As it happens, I rate English as a fairly reasonable bloke, despite being a Catholic and accordingly tainted with their perverted world view. He was a perfectly ok Finance Minister.

McCully is a clown, and has always been a clown.

I've posted on many occasions grudging respect for actions National took.

Your idea of what "irrational" means isn't what everyone else knows it means.
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While ignoring the massive ones like coca cola
Yeah, but do they export the water to bottle Coke overseas? Nope, they bottle it here, creating jobs and paying tax in NZ
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As it happens, I rate English as a fairly reasonable bloke, despite being a Catholic and accordingly tainted with their perverted world view. He was a perfectly ok Finance Minister.
But not such a great chef... spaghetti and pineapple pizza? The man is a monster!
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While I agree Brownlee was a bit of a waste of space, your opinion of McCully is obviously highlighting the open irrational hatred of anything the last govt did.

You will be saying English killed babies next/QUOTE]

Sour grapes much?

As it happens, I rate English as a fairly reasonable bloke, despite being a Catholic and accordingly tainted with their perverted world view. He was a perfectly ok Finance Minister.

McCully is a clown, and has always been a clown.

I've posted on many occasions grudging respect for actions National took.

Your idea of what "irrational" means isn't what everyone else knows it means.
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Oh yeah, National Party - how about a little* salt to rub on those wounds?

*Depending on how little salt $600k buys.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11936632
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Oh yeah, National Party - how about a little* salt to rub on those wounds?

*Depending on how little salt $600k buys.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11936632
LOL This reminds me of the time that tone deaf judges ruled that Men at Work's song "Down Under" (the flute sequence) plagiarized the children's song "Kookaburra sits on the old gum tree". The two tunes had nothing in common (and I have perfect pitch so I would know).
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They covered their arse though

The distributer will end up paying

I like the way they apparently actually built the ad around the song and just replaced it with the rip off

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WaPo covering the outcome of the election is busily explaining to its readers about the far-right takeover of New Zealand.

A new career in Tui billboards is on the cards.

Some of the better reaction to it: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...ectid=11943158
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Old 11th November 2017, 09:07 PM   #268
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
WaPo covering the outcome of the election is busily explaining to its readers about the far-right takeover of New Zealand.

A new career in Tui billboards is on the cards.

Some of the better reaction to it: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...ectid=11943158
That Washington Post article looks like a load of Horse Cock to me. The writer has clearly never been to NZ, never interviewed any NZ politicians and knows nothing about NZ.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
That Washington Post article looks like a load of Horse Cock to me. The writer has clearly never been to NZ, never interviewed any NZ politicians and knows nothing about NZ.
The writer actually trained and studied in New Zealand, the trouble is that he is so far leftwing that anything beyond the Greens looks like it's far right.

The main issue is Immigration. What the Author seems to fail to understand is that National's immigration policy was unsustainable. We were bringing 70,000 people a year into the country, the size of one of our medium cities! This is like adding a New Plymouth, Palmerston North, Nelson, Rotorua, or Whangarei to the country every singe year! We can't build fast enough, we can't create jobs fast enough, and our infrastructures, including things like schools and hospitals, can't handle it. Worse most of them are staying in Auckland causing massive issues with overpopulation and crowding. It's one of the main reasons that the average house price in Auckland hit a million dollars!

National wanted it because it helped to keep our "rockstar" GDP up, especially as the Christchurch rebuild starts to wind down, but the fact is that if we keep up that sort of immigration, the country is going to collapse on itself because we can't support that number of people arriving here every year, something had to give. NZ First and Labour recognise this and realise that we need to stop the flood gate that National opened and treat immigration sensibly so that we can make sure that those coming in can get houses and jobs, and so can New Zealanders who were born here! It's not about being Nationalistic or anti-immigrant, it's about making sure that the weight of people in the country doesn't sink us because we can't handle it, something that would make things worse for all of us.
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National wanted it because it helped to keep our "rockstar" GDP up, especially as the Christchurch rebuild starts to wind down, but the fact is that if we keep up that sort of immigration, the country is going to collapse on itself because we can't support that number of people arriving here every year, something had to give.
Utterly nailed.
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