[Split Thread] Trump Document indictment (as opposed to other indictments) - Page 28

Regnad Kcin · 18th November 2023, 08:34 PM

This whole shebang may be the most insane thing that has ever happened in the history of the world part I.

- Mr. Trump, did you take these government documents, countless of which were marked Confidential or Classified or Sooper Sekrit?

- Yes.

- And when the National Archives, the legal guardians of such records, asked for them back, and, it should be added, did so numerous times, is it true you did not comply?

- That’s right.

- The prosecution rests, your honor.

- All right, court will take a 10-minute recess, and will reconvene at 9:15 for the sentencing phase.

This isn’t just an open and shut case, it’s a case that wouldn’t even rise to the level of being put in a slot on Judge Judy because for that they have to be at minimum seven minutes long, and JJ is not one to pad for time.

The Great Zaganza · 19th November 2023, 04:15 AM

ah, but just like Jan 6th was entrapment by the FBI, letting Trump take the Documents was clearly just a trick by the Deep State to have Trump send to prison.

Random · 19th November 2023, 04:41 AM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

This whole shebang may be the most insane thing that has ever happened in the history of the world part I.

- Mr. Trump, did you take these government documents, countless of which were marked Confidential or Classified or Sooper Sekrit?

- Yes.

- And when the National Archives, the legal guardians of such records, asked for them back, and, it should be added, did so numerous times, is it true you did not comply?

- That’s right.

- The prosecution rests, your honor.

- All right, court will take a 10-minute recess, and will reconvene at 9:15 for the sentencing phase.

This isn’t just an open and shut case, it’s a case that wouldn’t even rise to the level of being put in a slot on Judge Judy because for that they have to be at minimum seven minutes long, and JJ is not one to pad for time.

This is why the Documents case is the most dangerous to Trump IMO. The hush money case is weird, the 1/6 case is big and complicated, and the Georgia case plays to Trumps strength of talking like a mob boss. Trump has a non zero chance of winning any of them in a court of law.

But the Documents case is simple, easy to understand, and every defense he has tried out in the media is easily shot down in a ten second sound bite. He really has no leg to stand on in that one. That is why the Trump legal strategy in this case is, delay trial till after election, win election, use power of Presidency to kill the case.

Norman Alexander · 19th November 2023, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by Ryan O'Dine

I have a mind to sue you for the highlighted, just to prove you wrong.

US law does not extend to Australia.

But give it a go!

Ryan O'Dine · 19th November 2023, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

US law does not extend to Australia.

But give it a go!

Thank you for giving me permission! Now I'll just need you to pay for the lawyer.

Norman Alexander · 19th November 2023, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Ryan O'Dine

Thank you for giving me permission! Now I'll just need you to pay for the lawyer.

Found you a good one!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani

Ryan O'Dine · 19th November 2023, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Found you a good one!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani

Stacyhs · 20th November 2023, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

US law does not extend to Australia.

But give it a go!

You forget.......

We're everywhere........................................ ......

SteveAitch · 20th November 2023, 03:54 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

US law does not extend to Australia.

...

From what I've read in some of these threads, it doesn't extend to a lot of the US either.

Segnosaur · 20th November 2023, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

It's worse than that; Cannon is still reserving the impossible date in May, which means that Trump can't be tried for anything else in that timeframe. She's not just delaying this one case, but putting up a roadblock for the whole justice system.

Her 'reserving' a trial date in May certainly is stinking up the place like a dead woodchuck under the porch.

Fortunately, Trump (probably) will already have gone through 2 criminal trials by then (The hush money payments and Jan 6 cases are both slated to begin in March, and the judges in those cases seem to be a lot more competent than Cannon, so chances of extensive delays are minimal.) So with any luck he will already be convicted and incarcerated by the time of the (scheduled) May documents trial date.

And the prosecutors in the Georgia case have proposed an August Trial date. So in theory Judge Cannon can only interfere with that one other trial, and even then I'm not sure how much she could mess it up. (I have heard that federal cases are usually given priority over state cases when there is a conflict. But, if it is a case of "Federal trial date moved because judge allowed delays vs. state trial scheduled long ago", I suspect that they will let the state level case play out.)

So, she could (in theory) use conflicting trial dates to push the Documents case trial out past the general election in the hopes a republican presidential victory could "fix" the problem, but the other cases will probably have already been played out by then. (It sucks, because it was perhaps the most solid of all cases, but it won't necessarily sink the other cases.)

Norman Alexander · 20th November 2023, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

You forget.......

We're everywhere........................................ ......

*......looks around.....*

*......looks under desk.....*

*......looks in drawer.....*

Hide and seek champions???

Stacyhs · 22nd November 2023, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

*......looks around.....*

*......looks under desk.....*

*......looks in drawer.....*

Hide and seek champions???

Run, Bambi, run......

18th November 2023, 08:34 PM	#1081
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The old Same place Posts: 11,004	This whole shebang may be the most insane thing that has ever happened in the history of the world part I. - Mr. Trump, did you take these government documents, countless of which were marked Confidential or Classified or Sooper Sekrit? - Yes. - And when the National Archives, the legal guardians of such records, asked for them back, and, it should be added, did so numerous times, is it true you did not comply? - That’s right. - The prosecution rests, your honor. - All right, court will take a 10-minute recess, and will reconvene at 9:15 for the sentencing phase. This isn’t just an open and shut case, it’s a case that wouldn’t even rise to the level of being put in a slot on Judge Judy because for that they have to be at minimum seven minutes long, and JJ is not one to pad for time.
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19th November 2023, 04:15 AM	#1082
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Photo Contest Winner Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 21,573	ah, but just like Jan 6th was entrapment by the FBI, letting Trump take the Documents was clearly just a trick by the Deep State to have Trump send to prison.
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19th November 2023, 04:41 AM	#1083
Random Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,658	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin This whole shebang may be the most insane thing that has ever happened in the history of the world part I. - Mr. Trump, did you take these government documents, countless of which were marked Confidential or Classified or Sooper Sekrit? - Yes. - And when the National Archives, the legal guardians of such records, asked for them back, and, it should be added, did so numerous times, is it true you did not comply? - That’s right. - The prosecution rests, your honor. - All right, court will take a 10-minute recess, and will reconvene at 9:15 for the sentencing phase. This isn’t just an open and shut case, it’s a case that wouldn’t even rise to the level of being put in a slot on Judge Judy because for that they have to be at minimum seven minutes long, and JJ is not one to pad for time. This is why the Documents case is the most dangerous to Trump IMO. The hush money case is weird, the 1/6 case is big and complicated, and the Georgia case plays to Trumps strength of talking like a mob boss. Trump has a non zero chance of winning any of them in a court of law. But the Documents case is simple, easy to understand, and every defense he has tried out in the media is easily shot down in a ten second sound bite. He really has no leg to stand on in that one. That is why the Trump legal strategy in this case is, delay trial till after election, win election, use power of Presidency to kill the case.
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19th November 2023, 05:35 AM	#1084
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 16,150	Originally Posted by Ryan O'Dine I have a mind to sue you for the highlighted, just to prove you wrong. US law does not extend to Australia. But give it a go!
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19th November 2023, 08:17 AM	#1085
Ryan O'Dine OD’ing on Damitol Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walk in an ever expanding Archimedean spiral and you'll find me eventually Posts: 2,473	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander US law does not extend to Australia. But give it a go! Thank you for giving me permission! Now I'll just need you to pay for the lawyer.
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19th November 2023, 11:43 AM	#1086
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 16,150	Originally Posted by Ryan O'Dine Thank you for giving me permission! Now I'll just need you to pay for the lawyer. Found you a good one! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani
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19th November 2023, 01:02 PM	#1087
Ryan O'Dine OD’ing on Damitol Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walk in an ever expanding Archimedean spiral and you'll find me eventually Posts: 2,473	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Found you a good one! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_Giuliani
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20th November 2023, 01:27 AM	#1088
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 32,205	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander US law does not extend to Australia. But give it a go! You forget....... We're everywhere........................................ ......

20th November 2023, 03:54 AM	#1089
SteveAitch Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: St Aines Posts: 1,027	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander US law does not extend to Australia. ... From what I've read in some of these threads, it doesn't extend to a lot of the US either.
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20th November 2023, 08:31 AM	#1090
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 20,467	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers It's worse than that; Cannon is still reserving the impossible date in May, which means that Trump can't be tried for anything else in that timeframe. She's not just delaying this one case, but putting up a roadblock for the whole justice system. Her 'reserving' a trial date in May certainly is stinking up the place like a dead woodchuck under the porch. Fortunately, Trump (probably) will already have gone through 2 criminal trials by then (The hush money payments and Jan 6 cases are both slated to begin in March, and the judges in those cases seem to be a lot more competent than Cannon, so chances of extensive delays are minimal.) So with any luck he will already be convicted and incarcerated by the time of the (scheduled) May documents trial date. And the prosecutors in the Georgia case have proposed an August Trial date. So in theory Judge Cannon can only interfere with that one other trial, and even then I'm not sure how much she could mess it up. (I have heard that federal cases are usually given priority over state cases when there is a conflict. But, if it is a case of "Federal trial date moved because judge allowed delays vs. state trial scheduled long ago", I suspect that they will let the state level case play out.) So, she could (in theory) use conflicting trial dates to push the Documents case trial out past the general election in the hopes a republican presidential victory could "fix" the problem, but the other cases will probably have already been played out by then. (It sucks, because it was perhaps the most solid of all cases, but it won't necessarily sink the other cases.)
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20th November 2023, 03:39 PM	#1091
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 16,150	Originally Posted by Stacyhs You forget....... We're everywhere........................................ ...... ......looks around..... ......looks under desk..... ......looks in drawer..... Hide and seek champions???
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22nd November 2023, 12:23 AM	#1092
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 32,205	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander ......looks around..... ......looks under desk..... ......looks in drawer..... Hide and seek champions??? Run, Bambi, run......