Argentina’s Son-of-Sam Presidential Election - Page 2

Norman Alexander · 20th November 2023, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

He is completely deranged.

He is only doing what his great supporter, Trump, would like to do.

Let's see how it works out over the next little while. Shall we?

angrysoba · 20th November 2023, 03:39 PM

Edited by Agatha:

Edited portion of post pertaining to split thread

Here's the thing, while a lot of people compare him to Trump, there is one way in which that seems unfair. Milei does seem to be genuinely intelligent and ideological, whereas Trump essentially only supports ideas or policies that directly benefit him. Trump is a pure self-aggrandizer whereas Milei seems to be almost a pure libertarian (except for his stance on abortion which he tries to square the circle on by saying he is in favour of the rights of the unborn child).

This might end up making him more dangerous than Trump, but it remains to be seen, I guess.

Norman Alexander · 20th November 2023, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

I believe that the Falkland Islanders are in fact now citizens, unlike my poor mum who, being born in Ireland, is merely a British subject.

At any rate, Milei has said, for what it is worth, that he is not in favour of war over the Falklands, but a lengthy negotiation process.

Here's the thing, while a lot of people compare him to Trump, there is one way in which that seems unfair. Milei does seem to be genuinely intelligent and ideological, whereas Trump essentially only supports ideas or policies that directly benefit him. Trump is a pure self-aggrandizer whereas Milei seems to be almost a pure libertarian (except for his stance on abortion which he tries to square the circle on by saying he is in favour of the rights of the unborn child).

This might end up making him more dangerous than Trump, but it remains to be seen, I guess.

IOW, a fantasist with wild and impractical ideas of Utopia, but very little practical knowledge or experience for the job of building and running it successfully. A daydreamer who made good...momentarily.

It won't end well.

angrysoba · 20th November 2023, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

IOW, a fantasist with wild and impractical ideas of Utopia, but very little practical knowledge or experience for the job of building and running it successfully. A daydreamer who made good...momentarily.

It won't end well.

Oh completely. That's usually the way with ideological demagogues.

I noticed that a Facebook friend of mine was gushing all over this guy, which for me is a red flag. He has an extreme conspiratorial view of the world, which means while believing himself to be preternaturally incisive about the machinations of the mainstream media, he doesn't even do the most basic research to find out if his opinions about the world are even slightly in line with reality. He claimed that calling Milei a "libertarian" was a mainstream media ploy, when Milei himself calls himself that. He also said that the mainstream media were picking up on his anti-abortion stance when that was merely some private view he has that he doesn't want to implement, even though Milei himself has said he will put the overturning of legal abortion to a referendum.

Norman Alexander · 20th November 2023, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Oh completely. That's usually the way with ideological demagogues.

He's hardly the first ideologue to try building huge fairy castles on sand from scratch. Here's one of the first: Amarna. It turned out not so well there, too.

The Great Zaganza · 20th November 2023, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

He is only doing what his great supporter, Trump, would like to do.

Let's see how it works out over the next little while. Shall we?

he will be able to keep is Cabinet* together for longer than Trump could.

*his cabinet consists of his dogs, according to Interviews

Abooga · 21st November 2023, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

The idiots who vote for them and their far right fellow travellers like yourself.

Wot?

So no responsibility whatsoever in previous governments and their corrupt detached ways that alienated the electorate?

Abooga · 21st November 2023, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser

Yes, and in each case the populists who were 'going to fix it all!!!' made things worse while at the same time looting what they could for themselves and their cronies at a level unseen before. You'd think the pattern would be clear.

I´m aware of that, but politicians should also be aware of it and not permit corruption and the detachment of the electorate to go so far as to get these kind of freaks get elected...

A similar thing happened with Trump, and the blame was largely of the Democrats, being so out of touch with the working classes and allowing the uglyness of the "legal" corruptiion of lobbies. (and of course Trump then just made it worse...)

Norman Alexander · 21st November 2023, 01:55 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

he will be able to keep is Cabinet* together for longer than Trump could.

*his cabinet consists of his dogs, according to Interviews

Unless they......wait for it!,.........let the dogs out!

Gulliver Foyle · 21st November 2023, 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

I believe that the Falkland Islanders are in fact now citizens, unlike my poor mum who, being born in Ireland, is merely a British subject.

At any rate, Milei has said, for what it is worth, that he is not in favour of war over the Falklands, but a lengthy negotiation process.

Here's the thing, while a lot of people compare him to Trump, there is one way in which that seems unfair. Milei does seem to be genuinely intelligent and ideological, whereas Trump essentially only supports ideas or policies that directly benefit him. Trump is a pure self-aggrandizer whereas Milei seems to be almost a pure libertarian (except for his stance on abortion which he tries to square the circle on by saying he is in favour of the rights of the unborn child).

This might end up making him more dangerous than Trump, but it remains to be seen, I guess.

Milei is less the Argentinian T****y than he is the Argentinian Alex Jones, with all the stupidity, nonsense and general insanity that entails.

Though he does look like a 1970's farmer/Kerry footballer.

PS there are exactly two kinds of libertarian, insanely rich people who are annoyed they're not allowed to own slaves and people who are deluded enough to think they won't be the slaves in their utopia. I don't think Milei is one of the former.

Norman Alexander · 21st November 2023, 03:35 AM

Please may I fix this for you?

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

PS there are exactly two kinds of libertarian, insanely rich people who are annoyed they're not allowed to own slaves and people who are deluded ~~enough to think they won't be the slaves in their utopia~~. I don't think Milei is one of the former.

Agatha · 23rd November 2023, 06:45 AM

The discussion about the Falkland Islands has been split to here.

Responding to this modbox in thread will be off topic Posted By:Agatha

20th November 2023, 03:31 PM	#41
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 16,150	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza He is completely deranged. He is only doing what his great supporter, Trump, would like to do. Let's see how it works out over the next little while. Shall we?
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20th November 2023, 04:07 PM	#43
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 16,150	Originally Posted by angrysoba I believe that the Falkland Islanders are in fact now citizens, unlike my poor mum who, being born in Ireland, is merely a British subject. At any rate, Milei has said, for what it is worth, that he is not in favour of war over the Falklands, but a lengthy negotiation process. Here's the thing, while a lot of people compare him to Trump, there is one way in which that seems unfair. Milei does seem to be genuinely intelligent and ideological, whereas Trump essentially only supports ideas or policies that directly benefit him. Trump is a pure self-aggrandizer whereas Milei seems to be almost a pure libertarian (except for his stance on abortion which he tries to square the circle on by saying he is in favour of the rights of the unborn child). This might end up making him more dangerous than Trump, but it remains to be seen, I guess. IOW, a fantasist with wild and impractical ideas of Utopia, but very little practical knowledge or experience for the job of building and running it successfully. A daydreamer who made good...momentarily. It won't end well.
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

20th November 2023, 04:18 PM	#44
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 35,256	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander IOW, a fantasist with wild and impractical ideas of Utopia, but very little practical knowledge or experience for the job of building and running it successfully. A daydreamer who made good...momentarily. It won't end well. Oh completely. That's usually the way with ideological demagogues. I noticed that a Facebook friend of mine was gushing all over this guy, which for me is a red flag. He has an extreme conspiratorial view of the world, which means while believing himself to be preternaturally incisive about the machinations of the mainstream media, he doesn't even do the most basic research to find out if his opinions about the world are even slightly in line with reality. He claimed that calling Milei a "libertarian" was a mainstream media ploy, when Milei himself calls himself that. He also said that the mainstream media were picking up on his anti-abortion stance when that was merely some private view he has that he doesn't want to implement, even though Milei himself has said he will put the overturning of legal abortion to a referendum.
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20th November 2023, 04:41 PM	#45
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 16,150	Originally Posted by angrysoba Oh completely. That's usually the way with ideological demagogues. He's hardly the first ideologue to try building huge fairy castles on sand from scratch. Here's one of the first: Amarna. It turned out not so well there, too.
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

20th November 2023, 10:23 PM	#46
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Photo Contest Winner Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 21,574	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander He is only doing what his great supporter, Trump, would like to do. Let's see how it works out over the next little while. Shall we? he will be able to keep is Cabinet* together for longer than Trump could. *his cabinet consists of his dogs, according to Interviews
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21st November 2023, 12:26 AM	#47
Abooga Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,020	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle The idiots who vote for them and their far right fellow travellers like yourself. Wot? So no responsibility whatsoever in previous governments and their corrupt detached ways that alienated the electorate?
Abooga Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,020

21st November 2023, 12:30 AM	#48
Abooga Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,020	Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser Yes, and in each case the populists who were 'going to fix it all!!!' made things worse while at the same time looting what they could for themselves and their cronies at a level unseen before. You'd think the pattern would be clear. I´m aware of that, but politicians should also be aware of it and not permit corruption and the detachment of the electorate to go so far as to get these kind of freaks get elected... A similar thing happened with Trump, and the blame was largely of the Democrats, being so out of touch with the working classes and allowing the uglyness of the "legal" corruptiion of lobbies. (and of course Trump then just made it worse...)
Abooga Graduate Poster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,020	Last edited by Abooga; 21st November 2023 at 12:40 AM.

21st November 2023, 01:55 AM	#49
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 16,150	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza he will be able to keep is Cabinet* together for longer than Trump could. *his cabinet consists of his dogs, according to Interviews Unless they......wait for it!,.........let the dogs out!
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

21st November 2023, 02:52 AM	#50
Gulliver Foyle Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 2,815	Originally Posted by angrysoba I believe that the Falkland Islanders are in fact now citizens, unlike my poor mum who, being born in Ireland, is merely a British subject. At any rate, Milei has said, for what it is worth, that he is not in favour of war over the Falklands, but a lengthy negotiation process. Here's the thing, while a lot of people compare him to Trump, there is one way in which that seems unfair. Milei does seem to be genuinely intelligent and ideological, whereas Trump essentially only supports ideas or policies that directly benefit him. Trump is a pure self-aggrandizer whereas Milei seems to be almost a pure libertarian (except for his stance on abortion which he tries to square the circle on by saying he is in favour of the rights of the unborn child). This might end up making him more dangerous than Trump, but it remains to be seen, I guess. Milei is less the Argentinian T****y than he is the Argentinian Alex Jones, with all the stupidity, nonsense and general insanity that entails. Though he does look like a 1970's farmer/Kerry footballer. PS there are exactly two kinds of libertarian, insanely rich people who are annoyed they're not allowed to own slaves and people who are deluded enough to think they won't be the slaves in their utopia. I don't think Milei is one of the former.
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21st November 2023, 03:35 AM	#51
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 16,150	Please may I fix this for you? Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle PS there are exactly two kinds of libertarian, insanely rich people who are annoyed they're not allowed to own slaves and people who are deluded ~~enough to think they won't be the slaves in their utopia~~. I don't think Milei is one of the former.
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}