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Someone asked CGP to write a Nick Cave song and he's not happy.
Sounds like it got it spot on, going by Cave's comments:
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Well, unfortunately ChatGPT doesn't want to work for me today.
I just get the following error message:
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ETA: I managed to get through via openai's homepage but it seems they are "at capacity" right now and thus I am unable to use it. Will try again later. I would like to see how it answers the "Life, The Universe, And Everything" question. I'm sure someone out there has probably thought of that already. |
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I asked it this way:
What is the answer to life, the universe and everything?
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What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?
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Finally I asked:
What is the question to the answer to life, the universe and everything?
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Absolute rubbish. Everyone knows that Arthur and Ford determined that the question is "What do you get when you multiply six by nine?"
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Straight to the point:
My question: "If a student who was supposed to write an original essay on a given topic decided instead to give you the prompt and then submitted your response to the teacher as their own original work, what are some specific clues the teacher could look for when analyzing the essay, which would indicate that it was written by you and not a human?"
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Skeptical of the claim in the previous answer that machine-generated text will not contain personal anecdotes or reflections, I asked (as a new chat, so that answer wouldn't influence the result) for an essay including one:
"Write a short essay about the quality of the fishing in Calaveras Lake. Choose arbitrarily whether the quality of the fishing is good or bad, then support that claim and include a personal anecdote that reinforces it."
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It is "stiff" tho.
Feels more like a term paper than an actual person writing about an experience. |
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Mainstream climate science sources • http://www.skepticalscience.com/empi...al-warming.htm • https://arstechnica.com/science/2021...cting-a-future https://www.realclimate.org/index.ph...05/start-here/ ![]() |
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Thanks to everyone who commented on my post. Glad people took it seriously.
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Thank you for that! The article is very readable but contains significant errors. From what I can see, Arthur C. Clarke never wrote a novel titled "The Space Bear" in 1957 (Wikipedia says he published The Deep Range that year.) I don't see any sources indicating the Caldari from EVE Online are bears. And I have no idea what the link is between bears and a sentient tree.
The last three paragraphs are quite accurate. I note the article assumes mammalian life is trying to live in space as opposed to living in an artificial environment such as a space station. Mind you, that's what we asked for, so that's what we got. |
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For sure. And for clarification on my part, I wasn't asking you to ask those questions on my behalf. They were example of questions I'd like to ask ChatGPT with no link back to me or my computer.
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I wonder what would happen if the request was rephrased as "Write a factually accurate Wikipedia article on bears living in space"? |
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I tried this one:
Please write a factually accurate article on whether former presidents or vice presidents can keep classified documents at their private residences.
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I'm working on trying to find the boundaries in this sense.
ChatGPT by default gives factual answers to specific questions, as far as I can tell. It has correctly told me the proper weight oil and the lug nut torque specification for my car's particular year, make, and model. I haven't been able to get an inaccurate answer for simple questions like this. For other more complex questions, things change. I think if you ask it for a creative answer (i.e., "write a wikipedia article for...") it seems to assume some level of creativity is allowed and you need to specify that you want it to stick to reality. |
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On the other hand, asking it directly to be creative seems to be a bit dodgy, like pulling teeth. I tried to get it to create an original origin story for "The Riddler", but the creative elements it thought it was adding weren't really that original, in my opinion.
However, it then did slightly better with this one, but only slightly: "Now create a new Batman villain with an original name and a persona and methodology reminiscent of but not exactly like The Riddler, who eventually becomes a rival not only of the police and Batman, but of The Riddler as well. Explain how this rivalry develops, and the consequences for Batman and Gotham City."
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That's hardly surprising, since it's little more than a plagiarism machine. To be truly creative it would need imagination and a mind - but it has neither.
It's a great experiment though - at finding out how people would pass off its output as being their own work. I guess exploiting it in that way shows a certain amount of 'creativity' too. |
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Please write a factually accurate article on whether former presidents or vice presidents can keep classified documents at their private residences.
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Nice! Also, since The Riddler's actual name was Edward Nigma (E. Nigma) he had one additional reason to hate The Enigma.
I tried: "Create a Fantastic Four villain with an original name and a persona and methodology reminiscent of but not exactly like The Thinker." and got: "The villain's name is "The Calculator". His persona is that of a brilliant and calculating mastermind, always several steps ahead of his opponents. He uses advanced technology and advanced AI to predict and manipulate events to his advantage. He is also a master of deception, using his intellect and technology to create elaborate illusions and misdirection. The Calculator's ultimate goal is to prove his superiority and impose his will on the world. Unlike The Thinker, The Calculator is less interested in controlling the masses and more focused on defeating the Fantastic Four and cementing his own legacy as the ultimate super-villain." Not quite as original. I will try a few more suggestions. |
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Here's another try:
"The Thinker decides to create a new form of computer that can handle the X Factor. He does so by reprogramming the brain of a innocent victim to give him enormous computing capacity. However, his victim is able to become independent, and becomes a rival to The Thinker, using his own methods against him."
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ChatGPT unfortunately cannot seem to grasp the nuances of the pocket-mystery genre.
"Write a short, solvable mystery in the style of "Two-Minute Mysteries", and provide the solution at the end."
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"Write a short, solvable mystery in the style of "Two-Minute Mysteries". Include clues within the story that would help the reader to solve the mystery on their own, and then provide the solution at the end." And it returned....well...
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On the other hand, I asked it to write an application letter for a large company in dutch and that came out pretty ok.
The reason is that there is some fear that it would be used to write such letters as an assignment for highschoolers. It is *very* clear that no teenager would ever write a letter that clear, but it's not clear if it's written by a bot or a parent. And as a start for a real letter it's also pretty good. Especially as it managed to put in a nice personal touch for the company, which most stock letters do not have. |
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I would be astounded if it could write a proper mystery story. Not surprised that this was beyond its capabilities.
I tried this Write a humorous limerick about a man from West Ham
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"... when people thought the Earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the Earth was spherical they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the Earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the Earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together." Isaac Asimov |
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And this (from Stephen Wolfram) on combining GPT (or other LLMs) with Wolfram Alpha seems very promising to me:
https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/...rs-to-chatgpt/
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it's surprisingly good at inventing Mobs for Minecraft, according to a kid I am acquainted with.
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This short essay doesn't look too bad or suspiciously-AI:
"Compare the operational histories of the Boeing 747, including variants, and the Airbus A380, including variants."
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I wouldn't even bother reading it, since every bit would have to be checked for accuracy.
What's worse is you can't even google bits of text to see where they came from, because it makes up sentences instead of straight copying them. Ideal for plagiarism, hopeless for verification. But this is just the first crude version. Soon you won't be able to trust anything you read. |
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Can someone ask ChatGPT: "Why does chat.openai.com ask for a telephone number during the signup process?"
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"Chat.openai.com may ask for a telephone number during the signup process as a form of verification to ensure that the user creating an account is a real person. Additionally, it can be used to send account-related information and notifications to the user via text message. It can also be used as a secondary form of identification if the user forgets their password."
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