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That's odd. The chat.openai.com GPT-4 gives this:
I'm sorry, but as of my last training cut-off in January 2022, I cannot provide real-time or updated lists of forthcoming games in 2023 or beyond. However, I can give you a few recommendations on how to keep up with the latest releases: And then it lists a bunch of generic types of sites to check. I don't know if the difference is Bing, or if OpenAI corrected this since they saw your post. So you might try it again. |
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Tried again and it produced a similar list, slight difference in that it gives the platforms this time, which is interesting of itself, I'd asked the previous time for the list after asking some questions about PC gaming so it seemed to factor that I was interested in PC games. It also tagged on two additional titles for which it doesn't quote a release date beyond "sometime in 2023".
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Is there something that will prevent the creation of art (painting or photo) that is child porn?
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Public online services usually have filters both on prompt and resulting image, blocking any kind of porn. Local installations not so much. Since the popular models are trained primarily for porn (or rather soft porn, similar issue as fingers) .. you can end up with child porn even without explicitly trying. It's certainly good idea to add "child" and "nsfw" to negative prompt.
I wouldn't be surprised if there was some regulation in this direction .. on the other hand .. how ? Also .. too late. There already was case of blackmailing families with AI "enhanced" photos of their kids, in Portugal IIRC. Also IMHO Dall-E3 is was grabbed by Microsoft so fast because it has extensive apparatus for censorship. |
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https://www.technologyreview.com/202...generative-ai/
"This new data poisoning tool lets artists fight back against generative AI The tool, called Nightshade, messes up training data in ways that could cause serious damage to image-generating AI models." |
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All of the easily accessible generative AIs have filters to prevent such images, starting at the text prompt, and most have a final censor stage even if the text prompt gets through, quite a few have now censored their training data to ensure this.
It is still possible - as I learnt literally yesterday whilst setting up a new extension to Automatic1111 - a widely used WebGUI for Stablediffusion to use some models that are not as censored/NSFW - but even those try to block anything that could be considered child porn. It is possible for strange things to be censored. I was trying to add a chainsaw to an image of a person suspected of cutting down a landmark tree in the UK via Photoshop (using its built-in generative AI Firefly) and the prompt went through but then I hit their "inappropriate content" censor. Took me awhile to figure out what was going wrong; incredibly it was because the shape I was making in the image for the inpainting could be looked at by a young teenager as me drawing a big willy on the bloke! I changed the shape and angle and it went ahead and generated the image fine. (Actually it didn't make a good image - would have been better compositing in an image manually.) ETA: Ninja'd by DrSid! |
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News about ChatGPT, lying criminally for what it thinks is a good cause (oops, an anthropomorphism
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The alleged theft at the heart of ChatGPT NPR podcast
Discussed is a class-action lawsuit filed by plaintiffs including George R. R. Martin and other authors alleging that Open AI used their copyrighted works as training data for their LLM without permission from the authors. It seems pretty clear that they did this, but the question is whether this is fair use. |
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Yes, it will tell you it knows his works but it refuses to violate the copyrights (it won't recite from a work verbatim). That at least puts it a step above other tools that could be used, such as scanners and cameras, which oddly you don't hear about lawsuits for. Not for the tools themselves, anyway.
For a work that's out of copyright, it will recite it but it tends to lose its place. |
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This doesn't precisely fit in this thread, but I thought it was very interesting.
I sort of wish the interviewers didn't pepper him with so many questions (when he's still in the middle of an answer to the previous question) but I felt like he had interesting answers for all of them.
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The issue is who is responsible for that breach of copyright and in the case of the USA what financial harm this caused the copyright holders. The claim is that it must have "read" copies that were not legally uploaded to the web, certainly in terms of humans the person uploading the works and the person downloading the works are usually considered guilty.
The reason by the way of it not quoting verbatim is that these models do not simple tokenise what they "read", they do not store a copy of the work. |
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The problem (if not today then at some point in the future) is that this would be treating this case differently than if we were discussing an employee of the same company who, having read this book, was being asked questions about it. The status of the book they had read (or were reading) would never come up. Maybe it should? I wonder what percentage of works read by students today are from legal copies.
If we do change laws so as to treat AI training differently, it's going to be a never-ending mess determining just what counts as AI training. |
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Yep. When you use Bing Chat you can see it doing several things, one is the AI stuff and one is the search engine stuff. Only problem I have is that it is still crap at being a search engine - I can still get much better results i.e. context and accuracy from a "traditional" search with Google.
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An AI source assured me that the major characters in Daniel Defoe's Robinson Crusoe are Crusoe, Friday . . . and Ebenezer Scrooge, a kindly Portuguese sea captain who rescues Crusoe.
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Something odd is happening at OpenAI:
https://stratechery.com/2023/openais...crosofts-gain/ Apparently the board of directors fired CEO Sam Altman and President Greg Brockman last Friday. I heard talk that this move upset a lot of the company's investors, including Microsoft, as well as allies of Altman within the company. Apparently the backlash was so fierce that the board of directors then reached out to Altman to bring him back. Instead, late Sunday night, Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella announced via tweet that Altman and Brockman, “together with colleagues”, would be joining Microsoft. OpenAI meanwhile hired former Twitch CEO Emmett Shear as CEO. Twitch is a live streaming service popular with gamers. I don't know what, if any, expertise he has on the subject matter. I wonder what the board of directors was thinking?
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One thing that I don't fully understand is that, despite being structured as a non-profit, the company had investors and was supposedly valued at around $80 billion as recently as a month ago. Venture capitalists and Silicon Valley saw it as a very valuable property, again despite being a non-profit. |
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I posted this in another thread, but most of the employees at OpenAI signed this open letter to the board of directors:
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I wonder now if this had something to do with them suspending signing up new "pro" accounts a few days back?
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Probably not unrelated.
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The leading theory seems to be that it’s a power struggle between “tech-optimists” and “doomers”, the latter being extremely concerned that AGI represents some sort of existential threat to humanity and therefore they need to put the brakes on development of it.
Does that make sense? I think that both camps seem to believe that AGI is coming sooner rather than later. |
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This seems to be a bit of a reversal to the norm, it's usually the board being hammered for being all about the money!
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So now it seems he's going back and the board is going to change .. which seems to be in line with mysterious open letter published by Musk, which is supposed to come from former OpenAI employees who claim it's all about OpenAI being moved to for-profit organization. Microsoft doing the pushing I guess ? I'm still confused.
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I am officially labelling current variants of AI based on ChatGPT as crap.
I've let MS takeover my searches and my use of Windows for the last couple of weeks. So using Bing search and Bing chat and Co-pilot on the desktop. They are bloody useless. Co-pilot couldn't help you pilot a paper plane in a crash landing: it can't find Window settings, gets totally confused about trouble-shooting and so on. As for Bing and Bing chat used as a search engine, I can get better results from google searches with only a few keywords rather than finding a phrase it can produce the results I had to know I wanted before I started to search! And ask it to do something - wanted a bit of HTML code, well after eventually finding the magic spell that meant it didn't keep telling me what website building apps are out there, it produced code that 1) didn't work, 2) wasn't what I asked for. Here is its rewording of my rant to sound more professional: I’m sorry to hear that you’ve been having trouble with Bing search, Bing chat, and Co-pilot on your desktop. I understand that you’re looking for a more professional way to express your frustration. Here’s a possible rephrased version of your message: “I have been using Bing search, Bing chat, and Co-pilot on my desktop for the past couple of weeks. Unfortunately, I have found them to be less than satisfactory. Co-pilot, in particular, has not been helpful in finding Windows settings or troubleshooting issues. As for Bing search, I have found that it often requires me to use specific phrases to get the results I need, whereas Google search can provide better results with fewer keywords. Additionally, when I asked Bing chat to provide me with a bit of HTML code, it produced code that was neither what I asked for nor functional. I hope that Microsoft can improve these services in the future.” I hope this helps. Let me know if there’s anything else I can do for you. It didn't do too bad a job of that ![]() |
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Earlier in the thread I posted about the idea of combining ChatGPT with WolframAlpha to make something capable of answering questions with mathematical components more accurately than just GPT alone.
Scott Aaronson recently had a published a paper in which he does just that. Here's his discussion from his blog: https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=7460
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Actually I heard Sam Altman give the reason for this on the Hard Fork podcast, which was recorded two days before he was fired. He said it's just because they needed to limit the number of users until they can install more hardware capacity to accommodate all the demand.
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They run the public stuff on their own hardware? I'm really surprised to hear that.
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It's either that or pay someone else to use their hardware, I would assume.
I don't know anything beyond what I heard in the podcast. It is, apparently, very computing intensive. I found this 5 minute explainer of the hardware used to run the software:
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It's not so simple anymore. Especially if you are OpenAI. There simply was no hardware they needed. They took over all GPU equipped machines in Azure cloud, and it was not enough. As they mentioned in recent OpenAI conference, Microsoft completely rebuilt its cloud for AI, and is still expanding.
Do people really need chatbots ? I mean will they pay billions for them ? Well .. I think only when the chatbots can make the same work you pay somebody for today. Maybe that's the game here ? To replace office workers everywhere ? |
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I'm more or less with you.
I think ChatGPT makes a fine writing app. As in, for writing things - letters, proposals, statements, executive summaries of topics, and that sort of thing. For everything else, I believe that AI fans massively oversell what are in actuality dubious-to-mediocre capabilities. And of course the vast majority of the hype surrounding ChatGPT and AI like it is not over what it can do now but what they are super-confident it WILL definitely be able to do in the undefined "future", and to me that is a major warning sign of a "bubble" tech like blockchain/crypto or "the metaverse". I actually believe Bing is superior to Google for my own purposes; but when I use it, I use the Bing search engine normally via keywords, as opposed to using Bing Chat/Copilot. As a search engine "assistant", Bing Chat often floods its responses with information, definitions, and summaries that I don't need or didn't ask for; and when I do need them, though I'm glad that it cites its sources I ultimately dislike that I have zero control over which websites it decides to use as sources. If there was a way to give Bing Chat/Copilot a set of one-time instructions that it would remember forever across sessions and specific queries, such as to never me definitions for search terms unless I specifically ask for them, or to just give answers for technical questions that I ask it rather than trying to give me math lessons (for example), that would already greatly enhance its usefulness. Being able to curate sources directly or indirectly would also help a whole lot. But for now that doesn't seem to be possible; in a particular "thread" you can give it instructions but those instructions are confined and you have to re-enter them for every new thread. I really don't know the purpose of Windows Copilot. 8 years ago Cortana could track my packages, make an appointment in my calendar or set a task in To Do, start playing music, or tell me that I need to leave a little early for work due to reported current traffic conditions (and by the way take an umbrella today). So far the only consistently demonstrable thing that Windows Copilot can do is change my theme from light mode to dark mode or back again, which is functionality I just don't ever need. Technically it also can start a focus session for you which would be useful to me, but the process of interacting with the app to make that happen is long and impractical compared to just manually starting one. Unless Copilot is given VASTLY greater permissions and integration with the OS it is a completely pointless application IMO and objectively inferior to a deprecated app from nearly a decade ago. |
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