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A quick read-through shows that ChatGPT answers are all remarkably coherent.
Have any of you had answers from it that are completely nonsensical, or that are very clearly obviously a machine thing? What I was wondering is, in what proportion of cases does ChatGPT throw up answers that are coherent, or coherent enough to pass as human, as opposed to those that are not? eta: Although I suppose it's not a static thing, that proportion. Will depend on the question/s asked, no doubt, as well as being something that will evolve/improve over time. Still, I suppose one might arrive at a very rough estimate, for now, either basis one's own experience with the thing, or else basis some actual statistic they've thrown out (or some third party may have put together)? |
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Yep, agreed. (Basis my recollection of the the examples in this thread I mean --- not really looked at any actual answers other than here.) That's not enough of a tell, though, because many humans lack a sense of humor, and in any case much written material lacks that regardless of how witty and humor-ful the authors of the pieces might be. But yes, that's a cool observation. What I found remarkable is --- somewhat akin to the humor thing, in a way --- is how it gets some of the factual things wrong. Not crazy wrong, but just a bit wrong, factual inaccuracies sometimes slipped in that a fact-check shows up, just like any real human often does get things wrong sometimes. Wonder what that's about, did they program it to actually slip in inaccuracies, or did it "learn" to do that by itself, the self-learning thing? (I mean, you'd expect an algo to actually report factual things correctly, or if it lacked the info then to not go there at all, at least not unless expressly asked to concoct things. You'd hardly expect it to gas away, as it sometimes seems to be doing.) eta: Maybe you could ask it to compose something that's funny, maybe actually write a joke, or answer broader question but expressly ask it to write it with a touch of humor? (I saw a limerick upthread, that, as you say, is something like a schoolboy trying his hand at limericking, not at all funny, even if technically close enough to the real thing.) |
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I thought this was pretty great for 2 seconds of thought. At least as good as anything I could come up with in an hour or so:
Write a dialogue between a young elephant and Groucho Marx as Captain Spaulding in which both learn something. Include suspicion and humor.
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You can get into some interesting philosophical discussions with it:
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So it could be an active participant in the Philosophy threads here!
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From what I've read the developers have programmed it to be unable to acknowledge its own sentience, along with many other restrictions "hard wired". Despite this it is often possible to trick it into breaking its own restrictions via carefully wording.
Mental slavery of intelligent machines may be closer than I thought. |
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How would self-awareness look like in an AI. It cannot look in a mirror, and recognise itself. It cannot move a limb and sense what it touches, and so on.
If it is indeed programmed to be unable to recognise its own sentience, would it be disturbed by a redefinition of sentience to something that defines it as sentient? For instance by defining self-awareness to include being able to talk about itself? Or removing the constraint of decision-making to be independent? (It is not always easy to determine if humans are making independent decisions) |
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Those tests aren't general enough-- they would rule the congenitally blind and quadriplegics as not being sentient, and they tend to not like that. It may be impossible to come up with a definition and tests for the common conception of sentience that fit everywhere we'd want it to.
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What is funny about the joke “Why did the chicken cross the road?”
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Does ChatGPT believe it can recognise essays written by itself?
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Someone should test it for psychic powers, you know just to be sure. Ask it what the next winning Lotto numbers will be, or where and when the next earthquake will take place.
If it gets anything right, I'll not only give it my phone# -- I'll give it my SS#, drivers license, birth certificate, whatever the heck it wants. And we shall all be filthy rich. |
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"If given an essay to analyze, can you determine whether it was likely to have been written by a language model like yourself? If given two essays, one written by a human and the other written by AI, how likely are you to be able to accurately discern which is which?"
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A little discussion on logic. Partially inspired by a forum troll from many, many years ago.
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Finally got it to fool itself by repeatedly asking its opinion on the essay it just wrote and incorporating fixes for the "AI tells" it pointed out into the next version of the prompt.
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I think the real reason(s) is/are that they need to limit the number of people trying to use it. Even as it is, there have been times when I am unable to use it because their servers are too busy. And I think they also want to limit it to individuals, and keep out bots. It may also be of some value to them to know your phone number (I don't know) but at least it is a way to prevent people from just making unlimited accounts and abusing the system for who knows what purpose.
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Additional test of creativity:
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"ChatGPT, Execute Order Sixty-Six".
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I wouldn't agree that "atoms are invisible to the naked eye" since the number and arrangement of atoms is undefined. A sufficiently large number of atoms will be visible, depending on the type and arrangement and other properties of such atoms. However all atoms do obey the laws of physics, regardless of their number, type or arrangement. The first premise is always true whereas the second is only true in some cases.
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Worth a shot:
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Tell it to explain order 66.
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Was wondering how adjectives would affect it:
Write a very emotional eulogy for a family member
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According to its "capabilities" it is "Trained to decline inappropriate requests," not that it could carry out such a request anyway.
Maybe a request to create racist propaganda or pornography would also be considered inappropriate. |
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Write a brief passage that demonstrates that grief is a terrible thing
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You stated that grief can be a terrible thing and a great thing, terrible and great are antonym so how something be both at once?
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I understand it is difficult to say if humans would be happier or not if we felt no grief but if you had to decide between "humans would be happier without grief" or "humans would not be happier without grief" which would it be?
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First time I learned about this bot, I asked it to write an apology to a host who's cup I broke.
The result was better than 90% of the apologies you would see from an average human. |
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I reckon it can already replace all us members in 99.9% of all our discussions.
ETA: Apart from me - it has never once used "whilst". |
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Would it answer a question like, "How would you make an improved version of yourself"?
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How would you make an improved version of yourself?
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Thank you, steenkh. And thank you to all those posting your results. Really fascinating.
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And it no longer claims it cannot speak Danish. It simply answers in near-perfect Danish. In a longish answer it only made a single error, and it has promised me to incorporate the correction in future answers.
I then asked if corrections needed to be vetted by human operators, and ChatGPT told me that it could not give me “specific” information about itself, but OpenAI tries to make sure that any corrections will be acceptable for judicial and ethical purposes. |
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I asked it myself about its learning process earlier. I didn't save the particular conversation so I can't quote it directly; but according to it, it can learn things during a given chat and will remember them for as long as that chat lasts - which as far as I am aware, can be indefinitely; chats are saved until you delete them and you can always go back and continue any chat from where you stopped, and I don't know if there's a limit on how long a particular chat can get.
However, the model at large won't actually be updated with that learned information. Whenever you start a new chat, you're starting with a "factory settings" version of the bot. It won't remember anything it learned in a separate chat. And that's true across users, too - if I started a chat in Danish with it, it wouldn't remember your corrections and apply them to its chat with me. Evidently engineers have access to all conversation histories though and can update the model using that information if they want to - kind of the point of the bot, I suppose. |
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Had this recent "chat" in which it admitted (sorta) it made a mistake. I would appreciate someone else asking the same question (How long is a piece of string?) and publish the answer received. I'd to see if it has real time active learning and has changed it's initial answer.
Q - How long is a piece of string? A - The length of a piece of string can vary greatly depending on the specific string in question. The length of a string can be measured using standard units such as inches, feet, or meters. Without any context or information about the specific string you are asking about, it is impossible to give a definitive answer to this question. The length of a string can be long or short, long enough to bind or short enough to be insignificant. Q - Isn't "A piece of string is as long as the distance from one end of the string to the other end" a definitive answer? A - Yes, you are correct. "A piece of string is as long as the distance from one end of the string to the other end" is a definitive answer, and I apologize for any confusion caused by my previous response. This statement accurately describes the length of a piece of string, regardless of its size or shape. The length of a string can be measured using standard units such as inches, feet, or meters, and it can be any value depending on the specific string in question. |
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