[Split Thread] Trump Document indictment (as opposed to other indictments) - Page 6

quadraginta · 11th June 2023, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Mike!

I rather like the idea of the Donald J. Trump Presidential Library being in the wing of a prison.

If it contained all of the books he's ever personally, completely read they could probably keep it in a couple of drawers in the reception desk.

RoboTimbo · 11th June 2023, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

If it contained all of the books he's ever personally, completely read they could probably keep it in a couple of drawers in the reception desk.

Jeez, how much space can a few menus take?

Norman Alexander · 11th June 2023, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

Jeez, how much space can a few menus take?

Just put one of these opposite his cell window.

Skeptic Ginger · 11th June 2023, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I agree. Prison logistics would be cost and security prohibitive.

Why? He's not the only high profile prisoner that's ever been in a federal prison.

Orphia Nay · 11th June 2023, 09:07 PM

Since we're wishfully thinking, one hopes more Republicans will take this line:

"Republican Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, the only GOP senator to vote to convict Trump in both of his impeachment trials, was a rare voice of criticism. While Romney stressed that Trump is entitled to presumption of innocence, he said he believes the charges are serious and Trump brought them on himself."

'“These allegations are serious and if proven, would be consistent with his other actions offensive to the national interest,” Romney said."

https://apnews.com/article/23fc661b7...538232f4653f2b

Orphia Nay · 11th June 2023, 09:37 PM

Meanwhile William Barr says:

"I was shocked by the degree of sensitivity of these documents and how many there were, … and I think the counts under the Espionage Act that he wilfully retained those documents are solid counts," he said.

"If even half of it is true, then he's toast."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-...ment/102468304

acbytesla · 11th June 2023, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

If we could figure out how to keep 7 high-ranking NAZIs in a prison,

What's one more?

Skeptic Ginger · 11th June 2023, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

Meanwhile William Barr says:

"I was shocked by the degree of sensitivity of these documents and how many there were, … and I think the counts under the Espionage Act that he wilfully retained those documents are solid counts," he said.

"If even half of it is true, then he's toast."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-...ment/102468304

When the rats jump ship apparently some of them don't stop swimming until they get far far away.

Stacyhs · 11th June 2023, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

The cost to democracy and the rule of law in the US of NOT putting a convicted felon in jail, just because his status would make it complicated would be prohibitive.

It would firmly establish the idea that a President, former or otherwise, can crime as much as they want.

I think we could easily fundraise the money to keep him locked up.

Where do I donate?

alfaniner · 11th June 2023, 10:14 PM

Is Nauta being charged at the same time? I find it odd that a guy I've never heard of is on the same docket as The FPDJT. What's the over/under until he flips?

Orphia Nay · 11th June 2023, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

When the rats jump ship apparently some of them don't stop swimming until they get far far away.

Orphia Nay · 11th June 2023, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

Is Nauta being charged at the same time? I find it odd that a guy I've never heard of is on the same docket as The FPDJT. What's the over/under until he flips?

Yes, he's being charged at the same time.

I think count 38 is Nauta alone, the other 37 are Trump or Trump and Nauta.

Haha, yep, he'll flip.

Lurch · 11th June 2023, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Steve

Why? He is just a guy who held a job for 4 years. Now he is a private citizen and should be treated like everyone else. Former presidents are mere politicians and are really nothing special. I really don't get this essential deification of presidents in the USA. Seems like you rejected royalty 200 years ago and now have a need to invent your own to genuflect to.

A telling element in this stupid deification of sorts is the DOJ memo that prohibits charging a criminal thug POTUS while in office. Leaving it up to politicians to oust such a creature sure is a reliable alternative, ain't it? *snort*

If anything screams two-tiered justice loud and clear, spelled out in red ink, this is it.

It's time for America to pull its head out of its ass and jettison this low-rent, but dangerous pseudo royalty idiocy. What it's doing is inviting unsavory elements by essentially advertising, "Hiring a President now,! No educational or professional requirements! Criminal history or inclinations no impediment! Yankistan is an equal opportunity employer!"

The Great Zaganza · 11th June 2023, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

Is Nauta being charged at the same time? I find it odd that a guy I've never heard of is on the same docket as The FPDJT. What's the over/under until he flips?

It's up to him and Trump whether they want a joined defense or not.

Seems obvious to me that Nauta would do better on his own, and could even get better lawyers, not having a history of first ignoring, then not paying and finally blaming his legal representatives.

Susheel · 11th June 2023, 11:32 PM

I wonder if the orange turd will be paying for Nauta's counsel? If not it is a guarantee that he will flip.

Orphia Nay · 11th June 2023, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by Susheel

I wonder if the orange turd will be paying for Nauta's counsel? If not it is a guarantee that he will flip.

I wonder if Nauta wants anything to do with Trump after this.

smartcooky · 11th June 2023, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Susheel

I wonder if the orange turd will be paying for Nauta's counsel? If not it is a guarantee that he will flip.

In fact, the DoJ would be expected to object to that, because The Fat Orange Turd and Nauta have differing interests - a lawyer paid by The Fat Orange Turd would likely put tremendous pressure in Nauta not to flip.

This is similar to the situation with Cassidy Hutchinson. She had a lawyer who was paid for by FOTUS. That lawyer tried to coach her what to say and what not to says. But that young lady was too smart by half not to see right through what they were trying to do. She went and got her own lawyer, and that is what Nauta ought to do.

The Don · 11th June 2023, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

I wonder if Nauta wants anything to do with Trump after this.

I've been surprised at how loyal President Trump's acolytes have been, especially as that loyalty appears not to be reciprocated.

I'd be disappointed, but not shocked, if Nauta attempts to take all the blame to protect President Trump.

The Great Zaganza · 12th June 2023, 12:05 AM

It would be a great service to the country and the legal system if a decent legal firm would take up Nauta's case pro bono.

Skeptic Ginger · 12th June 2023, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

It would be a great service to the country and the legal system if a decent legal firm would take up Nauta's case pro bono.

No need. I'm sure he could raise all the money he needs with a GoFundMe page.

The Great Zaganza · 12th June 2023, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

No need. I'm sure he could raise all the money he needs with a GoFundMe page.

Doubt it.

When Trump goes fundraising for others, he is the one ending up with all the money.

alfaniner · 12th June 2023, 02:14 AM

I for one was quite satisfied when the news got back to "fairly boring", meaning there was very little reporting about The FPDJT for several months. Coinciding with news ratings drops. Of course, the current news is a big deal, but it was refreshing to watch an hour of news (at 3am) that did not focus on him the whole time. What, there's other stuff going on in the world that warrants more than a two-line report? Who knew?

Darat · 12th June 2023, 03:24 AM

Originally Posted by Lurch

If the state of his Roosevelt desk is any guide, Drumpf couldn't abide the clutter of stacks of boxes anywhere in his personal space.

From his pre-president time: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016...y=75&auto=webp

What's so funny is all the copies of magazines that feature him - obviously ready to give to each and every visitor.

Susheel · 12th June 2023, 03:43 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

From his pre-president time: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016...y=75&auto=webp

What's so funny is all the copies of magazines that feature him - obviously ready to give to each and every visitor.

I guess the magazine publishers realised that they would have a ready market of atleast 5000 copies in Trump inc. itself, if they featured him on the cover

Tero · 12th June 2023, 04:11 AM

Why would anyone serve on a jury to convict Trump? I wouldn't. I would just yell out "he is guilty" as the jury pool is herded into a room for selection.

Gulliver Foyle · 12th June 2023, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by Susheel

I wonder if the orange turd will be paying for Nauta's counsel? If not it is a guarantee that he will flip.

The former "president" will want Nauta to pay for his defence.

Gulliver Foyle · 12th June 2023, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by gnome

My prediction, Cannon works on a more subtle way to sink the case.
Trump, with no patience for subtlety, asks her to just rule in his favor.
Bristling at being ordered around (as Judges often are), and being unwilling to so openly torpedo her reputation, she tells him to pound sand and recuses herself.
He announces how much of a woke traitor she is.

If Cannon has more than a couple of braincells, then she'd be the worst possible choice for Trump in this trial; because she'd be playing everything straight to try and rescue her already ruined reputation.

Hercules56 · 12th June 2023, 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

I dunno, the descriptors of the documents mostly appear to be things that wouldn't embarrass a person. Nuclear capabilities etc? Who will be embarrassed?

The documents include very valuable information that he could sell or use to blackmail people. Do you really think he kept documents related to nuclear weapons and the military capabilities of Middle Eastern countries just for ***** and giggles????

d4m10n · 12th June 2023, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

The fact that you just "tee hee forgot" that we are in the middle of Republican launching a coordinated attacked on the concept of democracy in this country is scary.

My question remains what non-electoral route do you have in mind here. The plan last time around was to flip selected state delegations to the electoral college, thereby preserving democratic formalities while overturning the will of the majority. Of course, the EC was created to thwart the will of the majority in the first place (e.g. 2016) so it's fairly well-adapted to such an approach.

alfaniner · 12th June 2023, 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

The former "president" will want Nauta to pay for his defence.

"His" Trump's? Or "his" Nauta's own? I know that's kind of a dumb question but I can see it in the realm of possibility that Trump expects Nauta to pay all the legal fees for both.

Skeptical Greg · 12th June 2023, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

The documents include very valuable information that he could sell or use to blackmail people. Do you really think he kept documents related to nuclear weapons and the military capabilities of Middle Eastern countries just for ***** and giggles????

I would be surprised if he had a clue what was in the boxes he
grabbed, or had someone grab.

Hans · 12th June 2023, 06:14 AM

Originally Posted by Tero

Why would anyone serve on a jury to convict Trump? I wouldn't. I would just yell out "he is guilty" as the jury pool is herded into a room for selection.

A book deal, or you could be the 'righteous maga' hold out that causes a hung jury, and then lap of the 'fame and fortune'.

alfaniner · 12th June 2023, 06:23 AM

Here's a link to an article gathering the times when Trump also had trouble with documents (as opposed to the documents in the indictment(s)).

I had originally planned to use just the photo with the table full of folders with blank papers (I assume) but there are too many other good ones as well.

Trump's paper props

Darat · 12th June 2023, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg

I would be surprised if he had a clue what was in the boxes he
grabbed, or had someone grab.

I was surprised to learn from the indictment that he knew exactly what was in at least some of them. From waving them around to refute someone to specifying which boxes were to be disappeared it is clear that he did have extensive knowledge of the contents.

JoeMorgue · 12th June 2023, 06:50 AM

Trump maybe not being as stupid as we think in the way we think he is stupid 100% all of the time is a scary thing to consider.

Frank Newgent · 12th June 2023, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Trump maybe not being as stupid as we think in the way we think he is stupid 100% all of the time is a scary thing to consider.

Whose is we?

Skeptical Greg · 12th June 2023, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

I was surprised to learn from the indictment that he knew exactly what was in at least some of them. From waving them around to refute someone to specifying which boxes were to be disappeared it is clear that he did have extensive knowledge of the contents.

But that would be after the fact..

I suppose it's possible he made a list of what he wanted before hand, but I remain skeptical

Segnosaur · 12th June 2023, 06:59 AM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Quote:

There are some factors at play here if/when they incarcerate Trump.

As a public figure he would have to be segregated from the general population to prevent someone from hurting him as a way to get publicity...
Because if his MAGAchud followers, they may need higher security where he is kept to prevent any of them from trying to help him.
Also because of his cult, they may need to take additional measures to prevent him from doing anything to incite more problems, like passing information to outsiders.
He is a moron, but there is a chance he may have remembered some classified information from his days as president, so steps might be needed to prevent him from disseminating that information.

Nothing is insurmountable. But it may require some modifications to various prison buildings and/or changes to protocols to house him. (Still worth it in my opinion even if it costs the justice system a little more)

Are you familiar with the Supermax prisons? They are insanely secure.

Yes, supermax will likely be secure enough to prevent outside attempts at "helping" Trump. Of course trying to keep trump there will probably result in various legal challenges from Stubby McBonespurs... "These facilities are for violent offenders. Trump only passed state secrets on to other countries". In addition you'd still probably have to modify some of the protocols used in incarceration... more separation between prisoners than normal, work to prevent doxxing of prison guards, etc.

Darat · 12th June 2023, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg

But that would be after the fact..

But he knew about the "plan to attack Iran" before he was put on notice that he needed to return certain papers. He had that one to hand in 2021 in a meeting with 2 people working on a biography of Mark Meadows so he did know at least some of what he took.

Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg

I suppose it's possible he made a list of what he wanted before hand, but I remain skeptical

Sceptical about what?

JoeMorgue · 12th June 2023, 07:10 AM

Find me a prison where 40% of the prison guards aren't Trump Loyalists.

11th June 2023, 08:26 PM	#201
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 27,292	Originally Posted by Mike! I rather like the idea of the Donald J. Trump Presidential Library being in the wing of a prison. If it contained all of the books he's ever personally, completely read they could probably keep it in a couple of drawers in the reception desk.
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11th June 2023, 08:36 PM	#203
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 16,174	Originally Posted by RoboTimbo Jeez, how much space can a few menus take? Just put one of these opposite his cell window.
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11th June 2023, 09:48 PM	#207
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 32,881	Originally Posted by Ladewig If we could figure out how to keep 7 high-ranking NAZIs in a prison, What's one more?
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11th June 2023, 10:14 PM	#210
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 28,760	Is Nauta being charged at the same time? I find it odd that a guy I've never heard of is on the same docket as The FPDJT. What's the over/under until he flips?
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11th June 2023, 10:42 PM	#214
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Photo Contest Winner Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 21,601	Originally Posted by alfaniner Is Nauta being charged at the same time? I find it odd that a guy I've never heard of is on the same docket as The FPDJT. What's the over/under until he flips? It's up to him and Trump whether they want a joined defense or not. Seems obvious to me that Nauta would do better on his own, and could even get better lawyers, not having a history of first ignoring, then not paying and finally blaming his legal representatives.
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11th June 2023, 08:31 PM	#202
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rachel, KS Posts: 33,127	Originally Posted by quadraginta If it contained all of the books he's ever personally, completely read they could probably keep it in a couple of drawers in the reception desk. Jeez, how much space can a few menus take?

11th June 2023, 08:52 PM	#204
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 95,677	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I agree. Prison logistics would be cost and security prohibitive. Why? He's not the only high profile prisoner that's ever been in a federal prison.

11th June 2023, 09:07 PM	#205
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 44,237	Since we're wishfully thinking, one hopes more Republicans will take this line: "Republican Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah, the only GOP senator to vote to convict Trump in both of his impeachment trials, was a rare voice of criticism. While Romney stressed that Trump is entitled to presumption of innocence, he said he believes the charges are serious and Trump brought them on himself." '“These allegations are serious and if proven, would be consistent with his other actions offensive to the national interest,” Romney said." https://apnews.com/article/23fc661b7...538232f4653f2b

11th June 2023, 09:37 PM	#206
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 44,237	Meanwhile William Barr says: "I was shocked by the degree of sensitivity of these documents and how many there were, … and I think the counts under the Espionage Act that he wilfully retained those documents are solid counts," he said. "If even half of it is true, then he's toast." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-...ment/102468304

11th June 2023, 09:54 PM	#208
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 95,677	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay Meanwhile William Barr says: "I was shocked by the degree of sensitivity of these documents and how many there were, … and I think the counts under the Espionage Act that he wilfully retained those documents are solid counts," he said. "If even half of it is true, then he's toast." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-...ment/102468304 When the rats jump ship apparently some of them don't stop swimming until they get far far away.

11th June 2023, 10:01 PM	#209
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 32,229	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza The cost to democracy and the rule of law in the US of NOT putting a convicted felon in jail, just because his status would make it complicated would be prohibitive. It would firmly establish the idea that a President, former or otherwise, can crime as much as they want. I think we could easily fundraise the money to keep him locked up. Where do I donate?

11th June 2023, 10:21 PM	#211
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 44,237	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger When the rats jump ship apparently some of them don't stop swimming until they get far far away.

11th June 2023, 10:23 PM	#212
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 44,237	Originally Posted by alfaniner Is Nauta being charged at the same time? I find it odd that a guy I've never heard of is on the same docket as The FPDJT. What's the over/under until he flips? Yes, he's being charged at the same time. I think count 38 is Nauta alone, the other 37 are Trump or Trump and Nauta. Haha, yep, he'll flip.

11th June 2023, 10:29 PM	#213
Lurch Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,515	Originally Posted by Steve Why? He is just a guy who held a job for 4 years. Now he is a private citizen and should be treated like everyone else. Former presidents are mere politicians and are really nothing special. I really don't get this essential deification of presidents in the USA. Seems like you rejected royalty 200 years ago and now have a need to invent your own to genuflect to. A telling element in this stupid deification of sorts is the DOJ memo that prohibits charging a criminal thug POTUS while in office. Leaving it up to politicians to oust such a creature sure is a reliable alternative, ain't it? snort If anything screams two-tiered justice loud and clear, spelled out in red ink, this is it. It's time for America to pull its head out of its ass and jettison this low-rent, but dangerous pseudo royalty idiocy. What it's doing is inviting unsavory elements by essentially advertising, "Hiring a President now,! No educational or professional requirements! Criminal history or inclinations no impediment! Yankistan is an equal opportunity employer!"

11th June 2023, 11:32 PM	#215
Susheel Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hyderabad, India Posts: 3,325	I wonder if the orange turd will be paying for Nauta's counsel? If not it is a guarantee that he will flip.
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11th June 2023, 11:44 PM	#216
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 44,237	Originally Posted by Susheel I wonder if the orange turd will be paying for Nauta's counsel? If not it is a guarantee that he will flip. I wonder if Nauta wants anything to do with Trump after this.

11th June 2023, 11:51 PM	#217
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 24,829	Originally Posted by Susheel I wonder if the orange turd will be paying for Nauta's counsel? If not it is a guarantee that he will flip. In fact, the DoJ would be expected to object to that, because The Fat Orange Turd and Nauta have differing interests - a lawyer paid by The Fat Orange Turd would likely put tremendous pressure in Nauta not to flip. This is similar to the situation with Cassidy Hutchinson. She had a lawyer who was paid for by FOTUS. That lawyer tried to coach her what to say and what not to says. But that young lady was too smart by half not to see right through what they were trying to do. She went and got her own lawyer, and that is what Nauta ought to do.
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11th June 2023, 11:53 PM	#218
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 37,271	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay I wonder if Nauta wants anything to do with Trump after this. I've been surprised at how loyal President Trump's acolytes have been, especially as that loyalty appears not to be reciprocated. I'd be disappointed, but not shocked, if Nauta attempts to take all the blame to protect President Trump.

12th June 2023, 12:05 AM	#219
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Photo Contest Winner Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 21,601	It would be a great service to the country and the legal system if a decent legal firm would take up Nauta's case pro bono.
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12th June 2023, 12:28 AM	#220
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 95,677	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza It would be a great service to the country and the legal system if a decent legal firm would take up Nauta's case pro bono. No need. I'm sure he could raise all the money he needs with a GoFundMe page.

12th June 2023, 12:52 AM	#221
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Photo Contest Winner Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 21,601	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger No need. I'm sure he could raise all the money he needs with a GoFundMe page. Doubt it. When Trump goes fundraising for others, he is the one ending up with all the money.
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12th June 2023, 02:14 AM	#222
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 28,760	I for one was quite satisfied when the news got back to "fairly boring", meaning there was very little reporting about The FPDJT for several months. Coinciding with news ratings drops. Of course, the current news is a big deal, but it was refreshing to watch an hour of news (at 3am) that did not focus on him the whole time. What, there's other stuff going on in the world that warrants more than a two-line report? Who knew?
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12th June 2023, 03:24 AM	#223
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 112,595	Originally Posted by Lurch If the state of his Roosevelt desk is any guide, Drumpf couldn't abide the clutter of stacks of boxes anywhere in his personal space. From his pre-president time: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016...y=75&auto=webp What's so funny is all the copies of magazines that feature him - obviously ready to give to each and every visitor.
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12th June 2023, 03:43 AM	#224
Susheel Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hyderabad, India Posts: 3,325	Originally Posted by Darat From his pre-president time: https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016...y=75&auto=webp What's so funny is all the copies of magazines that feature him - obviously ready to give to each and every visitor. I guess the magazine publishers realised that they would have a ready market of atleast 5000 copies in Trump inc. itself, if they featured him on the cover
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12th June 2023, 04:11 AM	#225
Tero Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 3,268	Why would anyone serve on a jury to convict Trump? I wouldn't. I would just yell out "he is guilty" as the jury pool is herded into a room for selection.
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12th June 2023, 04:42 AM	#226
Gulliver Foyle Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 2,833	Originally Posted by Susheel I wonder if the orange turd will be paying for Nauta's counsel? If not it is a guarantee that he will flip. The former "president" will want Nauta to pay for his defence.
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12th June 2023, 04:49 AM	#227
Gulliver Foyle Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 2,833	Originally Posted by gnome My prediction, Cannon works on a more subtle way to sink the case. Trump, with no patience for subtlety, asks her to just rule in his favor. Bristling at being ordered around (as Judges often are), and being unwilling to so openly torpedo her reputation, she tells him to pound sand and recuses herself. He announces how much of a woke traitor she is. If Cannon has more than a couple of braincells, then she'd be the worst possible choice for Trump in this trial; because she'd be playing everything straight to try and rescue her already ruined reputation.
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12th June 2023, 05:32 AM	#228
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7,535	Originally Posted by lobosrul5 I dunno, the descriptors of the documents mostly appear to be things that wouldn't embarrass a person. Nuclear capabilities etc? Who will be embarrassed? The documents include very valuable information that he could sell or use to blackmail people. Do you really think he kept documents related to nuclear weapons and the military capabilities of Middle Eastern countries just for ***** and giggles????
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12th June 2023, 05:44 AM	#229
d4m10n Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Mounts Farm Posts: 11,846	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue The fact that you just "tee hee forgot" that we are in the middle of Republican launching a coordinated attacked on the concept of democracy in this country is scary. My question remains what non-electoral route do you have in mind here. The plan last time around was to flip selected state delegations to the electoral college, thereby preserving democratic formalities while overturning the will of the majority. Of course, the EC was created to thwart the will of the majority in the first place (e.g. 2016) so it's fairly well-adapted to such an approach.
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12th June 2023, 06:07 AM	#230
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 28,760	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle The former "president" will want Nauta to pay for his defence. "His" Trump's? Or "his" Nauta's own? I know that's kind of a dumb question but I can see it in the realm of possibility that Trump expects Nauta to pay all the legal fees for both.
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12th June 2023, 06:08 AM	#231
Skeptical Greg Agave Wine Connoisseur Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Just past ' Resume Speed ' . Posts: 19,165	Originally Posted by Hercules56 The documents include very valuable information that he could sell or use to blackmail people. Do you really think he kept documents related to nuclear weapons and the military capabilities of Middle Eastern countries just for ***** and giggles???? I would be surprised if he had a clue what was in the boxes he grabbed, or had someone grab.
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12th June 2023, 06:14 AM	#232
Hans Philosopher Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9,050	Originally Posted by Tero Why would anyone serve on a jury to convict Trump? I wouldn't. I would just yell out "he is guilty" as the jury pool is herded into a room for selection. A book deal, or you could be the 'righteous maga' hold out that causes a hung jury, and then lap of the 'fame and fortune'.
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12th June 2023, 06:23 AM	#233
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 28,760	Here's a link to an article gathering the times when Trump also had trouble with documents (as opposed to the documents in the indictment(s)). I had originally planned to use just the photo with the table full of folders with blank papers (I assume) but there are too many other good ones as well. Trump's paper props
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12th June 2023, 06:48 AM	#234
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 112,595	Originally Posted by Skeptical Greg I would be surprised if he had a clue what was in the boxes he grabbed, or had someone grab. I was surprised to learn from the indictment that he knew exactly what was in at least some of them. From waving them around to refute someone to specifying which boxes were to be disappeared it is clear that he did have extensive knowledge of the contents.
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12th June 2023, 06:50 AM	#235
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 46,102	Trump maybe not being as stupid as we think in the way we think he is stupid 100% all of the time is a scary thing to consider.
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