Continuation Transwomen are not women - part 13

[TurkeysGhost]

Originally Posted by Paul2

Not criminal is a low bar.

Yet an important one. I'm guessing this is the kind of thing that can actually result in criminal prosecution in the UK, so those that feel aggrieved by it can certainly seek redress.

[Matthew Best]

Originally Posted by The Atheist

bad men who are using the trans lobby as cover.

Yes, that's who I am complaining about?

[Emily's Cat]

Originally Posted by Samson

Thread title is officially wrong.
Trans woman wins Miss Netherlands.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/post-...age-on-twitter

She is a real cutie.

I wonder if the female contestants are allowed to have a ton of cosmetic surgery, or if they're expected to be natural.

[Emily's Cat]

Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost

You're an adult, right? Take some responsibility for your media consumption. I'm not sure what point is being made that trash-tier British tabloids are running outrage bait.

I'll never understand the British preoccupation with royalty. One aspect of American culture that is unambiguously good is that we are generally not obsessed about these weirdos.

Royalty has nothing at all to do with this.

Both are wearing the same dress. The female wearing the dress is subjected to criticism as being too old. On the other hand, the male - on whom the dress looks OBJECTIVELY less attractive - is lauded for it.

It's misogyny, not preoccupation with royalty.

[TurkeysGhost]

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

I wonder if the female contestants are allowed to have a ton of cosmetic surgery, or if they're expected to be natural.

Are you really? It's a beauty pageant, I'm assuming a lot of the contestants have had work done.

[Emily's Cat]

Originally Posted by Matthew Best

Meanwhile over here on Terf Island, there was a big march in support of trans rights this weekend, attended by about 25,000 people.

So... did hordes of females show up to threaten the marchers? Did they try to shout them down and silence them? Did any females physically assault marchers?

[Paul2]

Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost

Yet an important one.

Agreed.

[Matthew Best]

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

So... did hordes of females show up to threaten the marchers? Did they try to shout them down and silence them? Did any females physically assault marchers?

No.

[Emily's Cat]

Originally Posted by theprestige

Some might bemoan the adulteration of beauty pageants with the womanface of drag, but how far apart are the two, really?

Less than a pubic hair.

[TurkeysGhost]

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Royalty has nothing at all to do with this.

Both are wearing the same dress. The female wearing the dress is subjected to criticism as being too old. On the other hand, the male - on whom the dress looks OBJECTIVELY less attractive - is lauded for it.

It's misogyny, not preoccupation with royalty.

No argument there, the British tabloids are notoriously unkind to women (and others), especially to those they decide have committed some taboo. Nuke them all from orbit and nothing valuable will have been lost.

[Emily's Cat]

Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost

I don't know about the UK, but this kind of hot rhetoric would not be considered criminal incitement to violence in the US.

Disagree.

If there had been documented cases of the target against whom violence was advocated having already been subjected to violence... I think it would very easily qualify as incitement.

[Emily's Cat]

Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost

When TERFS have friends like these, who needs enemies?

https://www.thepinknews.com/wp-conte.../Neo-Nazis.jpg

https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/03/...keen-minshull/

Let's employ your own logic.

When trans have friends like these...
https://www.womenarehuman.com/tag/ph...tack-on-women/

[JoeMorgue]

This is the inherent problem with the internet. It destroys all sense of scale.

Any group above about... 10 people is gonna have an ******* or two in it and any group above 100 is going to have a violent ******* or two in it. That's just law of averages.

Here's a harsh truth. In the internet age examples are hardly better than anecdotes. Any one of us could pick a "side" and go scour the internet until we can list off a dozen examples of the side we don't like being bad. It means nothing in a digital age.

We need to look at hard data that exists on a societal scale to make any sense of this and most all actual data points at violence against trans people being a legit problem and trans people being a hidden sleeper cell of kiddly diddlers sneaking into elementary schools so they can do the Silence of the Lambs dance in front of little Johnnie by using their amazing powers of "Still looking like their original gender because 99% of them can't actually pass for ****" isn't.

[TurkeysGhost]

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Let's employ your own logic.

When trans have friends like these...
https://www.womenarehuman.com/tag/ph...tack-on-women/

All roads lead back to the Breitbart "Black Crime" column.

[Emily's Cat]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Here's a radical idea. Let's not let our standards for basic human to human decency get to the point where we are discussing whether or not it's literally illegal.

Like we should be able to come to some kind of agreement on a lower level then this. We all get that right?

Most of us get it

[gnome]

Originally Posted by Trausti

Sure. Autogynephilia ain’t a thing. Don’t search “euphoria boner.”

"Exists" is miles away from "Describes the entire set".

More straw, pretending proportion isn't a thing.

[JoeMorgue]

"I can find an example of something sexual on the internet" is the weakest flex possible. Like that's the Planck Weakest Flex.

[TurkeysGhost]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

"I can find an example of something sexual on the internet" is the weakest flex possible. Like that's the Planck Weakest Flex.

I'm curious how much transphobia, from TERFS or more broadly, is mediated primarily by transphobe's pornography consumption.

4chan style right wingers seem absolutely obsessed with it, seemingly consuming trans porn whenever they aren't denigrating them.

There's probably better ways for someone to come to terms with their kinks and fetishes than to be obsessed about AGP and talk about it all the time.

[JoeMorgue]

I think some people have a deep fear that if we upset the apple cart we're reducing their pool of available partners. If a bunch of women start being men, there won't be enough women to go around. I know I heard crap like that during the biggest days of gay rights, at least parts of that battle that happened during my life time.

Maybe because I'm already settled down in a long term relationship but I guess protecting the 50:50 male:female ratio isn't something I feel the need to do and I don't see if becoming a real issue anyway. Trans will always be niche. It's not a threat to the dating scene's balance of power.

[JoeMorgue]

And to expand on that that, I think more closeted horniness, is really where most of this comes from. I think the "X haters keep getting caught watching X porn" stuff is more a symptom that happens later on down the line.

Part of this is just because we live in a society with a thousand different views of sex, not a single one of them healthy and don't really a great way of talking about sex for as much as we talk about it.

What you want in a sexual partner is hard to explain for a lot of people, and not just people from non-traditional sexualities.

I think people, young men especially, get talked into or talk themselves into the idea that unless they are 6 foot 4 and drive a Bugatti they are going to die alone and yes this is getting close to the whole "incel" thing a can of worms I can't imagine will improve this discussion all that much so I'm going to keep this in the vague and broad strokes but I can... get, not endorse, not even understand, but "get" on a very basic level the fear of having your potential partner pool reduced, even symbolically.

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Maybe because I'm already settled down in a long term relationship but I guess protecting the 50:50 male:female ratio isn't something I feel the need to do and I don't see if becoming a real issue anyway.

It isn't a real issue in terms of trans rights and gay rights, because as you say, the numbers are too small. But that doesn't mean it can't be a big issue because of other factors. For example, where there's significant levels of polygamy or sex-selective abortion, that can throw off the balance considerably, and I think the outcomes really are bad. But that's not what we're dealing with here in the west.

[JoeMorgue]

Yeah I'm sure harems are going to become all the rage any day now.

Listen the last thing we need is a sexual version of "Replacement Theory."

[Ziggurat]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Yeah I'm sure harems are going to become all the rage any day now.

Not in the west, sure. I didn't suggest that was a risk, I explicitly said it wasn't. But they have been for thousands of years in places like Afghanistan.

I don't think it's a coincidence that such places are still mired in poverty and violence.

[Matthew Best]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Any group above about... 10 people is gonna have an ******* or two in it and any group above 100 is going to have a violent ******* or two in it. That's just law of averages.

But in this case (the one where the convicted torturer threatened violence against "TERFS"), the threat of violence was applauded and cheered by just about everyone at a large rally of Trans Rights advocates. Sure, only one out of a hundred is actually violent, but it seems like a large proportion of the other 99 support that violence, or at least do not object to it. Why not?

[Samson]

Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost

You're an adult, right? Take some responsibility for your media consumption. I'm not sure what point is being made that trash-tier British tabloids are running outrage bait.

I'll never understand the British preoccupation with royalty. One aspect of American culture that is unambiguously good is that we are generally not obsessed about these weirdos.

You people are obsessed with a weirdo you call God. That is why everything devolves to religion. For the left it is rainbow and trans, see the execrable Joe Bidens garden party, for the right it is less dangerous nonsense.

[Samson]

Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost

TERFS leave the heavy lifting to their more explicitly fascist allies. People like Posie Parker don't need to personally advocate for violence when they have nazis showing up in support of their movement who will do the dirty work for them.

Comprehensively disproved, but a lie that led to the battering of the 70 year old woman in Albert Park. It was a lie promoted by the minister of immigration, a nasty man.

Her own words just before she came.

But when pressed on the presence of people at her events giving Nazi salutes, Keen-Minshull said: “They’re absolutely not associated with me whatsoever.

“I absolutely abhor anything to do with Nazis. It’s preposterous they even exist in 2023.”

I guess you call her a liar.

[gnome]

Originally Posted by Samson

For the left it is rainbow and trans, see the execrable Joe Bidens garden party,

You do realize you're in the same forum where you got called on this BS in another thread? Ignoring it doesn't mean people forgot.

[Samson]

Originally Posted by gnome

You do realize you're in the same forum where you got called on this BS in another thread? Ignoring it doesn't mean people forgot.

I know where I am.
You say nothing to condemn big pharma and surgeons wrongly diagnosing American children as trans for profit.
Or maybe you do I just didn't notice. Biden supports influencer Dylan Mulvaney, a social contagion perpetrator. The rest of mature trans people are outside my comments.

[Trausti]

Originally Posted by gnome

"Exists" is miles away from "Describes the entire set".

More straw, pretending proportion isn't a thing.

[d4m10n]

Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost

All roads lead back to the Breitbart "Black Crime" column.

Guilt by association is only good when the good people do it.

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[d4m10n]

Is there any rational justification for banning gender changes on driver's licenses?



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[theprestige]

Originally Posted by d4m10n

Is there any rational justification for banning gender changes on driver's licenses?

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...b900dd7b84.jpg

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Those aren't gender changes. They're lies.

The rational basis has been belabored ad infinitum in this thread.

[d4m10n]

Originally Posted by theprestige

The rational basis has been belabored ad infinitum in this thread.

I really doubt that; most of what has been belabored here are single-sex spaces and leagues and whatnot. Is it your assumption that the driver's license markers would somehow change those other things?

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[Aber]

Originally Posted by d4m10n

I really doubt that; most of what has been belabored here are single-sex spaces and leagues and whatnot. Is it your assumption that the driver's license markers would somehow change those other things?

It appears that the drivers licence includes a field for "sex" and not "gender", with obvious consequences for single sex spaces.

[sir drinks-a-lot]

Originally Posted by d4m10n

I really doubt that; most of what has been belabored here are single-sex spaces and leagues and whatnot. Is it your assumption that the driver's license markers would somehow change those other things?

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From reading the article, it just looks like Kansas residents have to list the correct sex on their driver's licenses. I don't think gender is listed on the licenses.

Am I correct that they're referring to sex as a "gender marker"?

[IsThisTheLife]

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Let's employ your own logic.

When trans have friends like these...
https://www.womenarehuman.com/tag/ph...tack-on-women/

Yeh, but no, but yeh, but ....that's just cherrypicking.

Any fool knows that males who want to be women are among the gentlest, kindest, least violence-prone people you could ever hope to meet. Ask anyone, they'll tell you.

[IsThisTheLife]

Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost

I'm curious how much transphobia, from TERFS or more broadly, is mediated primarily by transphobe's pornography consumption.

You're "curious" about the porn consumption of "TERFs"? How ... curious.

Quote:

4chan style right wingers seem absolutely obsessed with it, seemingly consuming trans porn whenever they aren't denigrating them.

Of course. You nailed it .

Quote:

There's probably better ways for someone to come to terms with their kinks and fetishes than to be obsessed about AGP and talk about it all the time.

Yeh, everyone needs to "come to terms" with their "kinks and fetishes", the sooner the better.

That's why we need to let the harmless trannies talk about theirs to children as much as possible, to get it all out in the open and encourage the children onto the path of just "being themselves".

[TurkeysGhost]

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[TurkeysGhost]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

And to expand on that that, I think more closeted horniness, is really where most of this comes from. I think the "X haters keep getting caught watching X porn" stuff is more a symptom that happens later on down the line.

Part of this is just because we live in a society with a thousand different views of sex, not a single one of them healthy and don't really a great way of talking about sex for as much as we talk about it.

What you want in a sexual partner is hard to explain for a lot of people, and not just people from non-traditional sexualities.

I think people, young men especially, get talked into or talk themselves into the idea that unless they are 6 foot 4 and drive a Bugatti they are going to die alone and yes this is getting close to the whole "incel" thing a can of worms I can't imagine will improve this discussion all that much so I'm going to keep this in the vague and broad strokes but I can... get, not endorse, not even understand, but "get" on a very basic level the fear of having your potential partner pool reduced, even symbolically.

The most obvious parallel is the incels, sad men who think certain biological facts preclude them from being happy, when the reality is that their radioactive personalities are the primary impediment to them forming any kind of romantic (and often platonic) relationship.

Then you have the example of Graham Linehan, who decided being a online anti-trans troll was worth pissing away his generally favorable reputation as a beloved television writer and, at least by his own description, his own marriage. Or JK Rowling, who could have spent the rest of her life on PR autopilot and been a mega celebrity much beloved by a generation of children who grew up with her books, to now being denounced by like half the people who ever worked with her and people treating Harry Potter fandom as a guilty pleasure.

Kinda sad how the TERF brain worms destroy people's lives like this. Rowling could be jetskiing in olympic sized pools filled with expensive champagne every day or pursuing luxuries that you and I can't even imagine, but rather she spends her time slap fighting on social media and writing bad fiction with strawman versions of her targets of derision. Real sicko stuff.

[lionking]

Originally Posted by TurkeysGhost

The most obvious parallel is the incels, sad men who think certain biological facts preclude them from being happy, when the reality is that their radioactive personalities are the primary impediment to them forming any kind of romantic (and often platonic) relationship.

Then you have the example of Graham Linehan, who decided being a online anti-trans troll was worth pissing away his generally favorable reputation as a beloved television writer and, at least by his own description, his own marriage. Or JK Rowling, who could have spent the rest of her life on PR autopilot and been a mega celebrity much beloved by a generation of children who grew up with her books, to now being denounced by like half the people who ever worked with her and people treating Harry Potter fandom as a guilty pleasure.

Kinda sad how the TERF brain worms destroy people's lives like this. Rowling could be jetskiing in olympic sized pools filled with expensive champagne every day or pursuing luxuries that you and I can't even imagine, but rather she spends her time slap fighting on social media and writing bad fiction with strawman versions of her targets of derision. Real sicko stuff.

Evidence for this ********.

I've asked before, but how about you having a crack at giving one transphobic quote from Rowling? You won't because there isn't one. But you and others will keep repeating Rowling is a TERF/bigot/transphobe with no evidence at all. You should be ashamed of yourself.