Is Trump disqualified from the ballot by the 14th Amendmend? - Page 10

Darat · 6th September 2023, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

That's incorrect. US Supreme Court is also the highest appellate court in the land. Which is why this issue will ultimately be settled by the US Supreme Court.

That quote was lifted directly from the "About the court" on their website, you need to have a word with them since they don't seem to know what they are!

Hercules56 · 6th September 2023, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

That quote was lifted directly from the "About the court" on their website, you need to have a word with them since they don't seem to know what they are!

I quoted from the US Constitution, the highest law of the land. Outweighs your website.

Brainster · 6th September 2023, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

How?

At some point, an effort will be made to remove Trump from the ballot somewhere; whether it's in a primary or the general election, a red state or a blue state. At that point Trump sues and I have little doubt that the Supreme Court will step in, due to the importance of the case and time considerations. The case does not have to go the usual District Court/Court of Appeals/Supreme Court route.

Paul2 · 6th September 2023, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

How?

Not sure exactly what you mean by your question, but does this Guardian article help?

US supreme court likely to determine Trump’s 2024 eligibility soon – ex-judge

Also, I read somewhere - now I can't find where - that SCOTUS is already reviewing the issue - something - in conference (if that's the right term).

Hercules56 · 6th September 2023, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Paul2

Not sure exactly what you mean by your question, but does this Guardian article help?

US supreme court likely to determine Trump’s 2024 eligibility soon – ex-judge

Also, I read somewhere - now I can't find where - that SCOTUS is already reviewing the issue - something - in conference (if that's the right term).

As I said, there is no doubt this issue will ultimately be settled by SCOTUS.

JoeMorgue · 6th September 2023, 09:15 AM

Yeah so Trump will walk, we know.

Hercules56 · 6th September 2023, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Yeah so Trump will walk, we know.

No, I expect a conviction and prison sentence. Probably house-arrest at Mar-A-Lago.

gnome · 6th September 2023, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

The point is that the electoral college gave the smaller states some reassurance that the federal government would not be dominated by the larger states.

I'm not sure why we should cling to a solution that makes the federal government be dominated by the smaller states instead.

Hercules56 · 6th September 2023, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by gnome

I'm not sure why we should cling to a solution that makes the federal government be dominated by the smaller states instead.

Presidential elections are not dominated by the smaller states. Candidate can win by only winning the 11 biggest states. That's 22%.

TurkeysGhost · 6th September 2023, 12:03 PM

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William Parcher · 6th September 2023, 12:13 PM

Watchdog group sues to block Trump from Colorado ballot, citing 14th Amendment’s disqualification clause.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/06/polit...dment-colorado

Orphia Nay · 6th September 2023, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by William Parcher

Watchdog group sues to block Trump from Colorado ballot, citing 14th Amendment’s disqualification clause.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/06/polit...dment-colorado

"The lawsuit was filed by CREW on behalf of six Colorado voters, which the group says are independents or Republicans, including former US Rep. Claudine Schneider and former Colorado Senate Majority Leader Norma Anderson, both Republicans."

More republicans! Add them to the Texan who filed in NH.

Another article about it, also saying it seems destined for the Supreme Court.

https://apnews.com/article/19ca3f178...2cb1260e7c2aed

Stacyhs · 6th September 2023, 03:56 PM

The sooner these 14A lawsuits go to the SC and they rule one way or the other, the better.

Hercules56 · 6th September 2023, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

The sooner these 14A lawsuits go to the SC and they rule one way or the other, the better.

Hopefully the supreme Court will settle this issue by the end of the year.

Brainster · 6th September 2023, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by gnome

I'm not sure why we should cling to a solution that makes the federal government be dominated by the smaller states instead.

Because that was the deal under which the smaller states agreed to join the USA. I don't know about you, but I don't think changing the rules in the middle of the game is kosher, unless you follow the rules about changing the rules. There is a way to get rid of the electoral college; by amending the constitution.

Stacyhs · 6th September 2023, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Because that was the deal under which the smaller states agreed to join the USA. I don't know about you, but I don't think changing the rules in the middle of the game is kosher, unless you follow the rules about changing the rules. There is a way to get rid of the electoral college; by amending the constitution.

Fat chance that's going to happen.

We couldn't even get the ERA passed.

Hercules56 · 6th September 2023, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Because that was the deal under which the smaller states agreed to join the USA. I don't know about you, but I don't think changing the rules in the middle of the game is kosher, unless you follow the rules about changing the rules. There is a way to get rid of the electoral college; by amending the constitution.

There is another way. Have it put in every state constitution that their electors are chosen by following the popular national vote. That way if a candidate gets 51% of the national popular vote, the state is bound to choose the electors of that candidate, regardless of the results in the individual state.

Yes, every state decides for themselves how they wish to choose their presidential electors. Congress can mandate Democratic elections for congressional seats but with regards to the presidential elections the states have complete control of how they do things.

theprestige · 6th September 2023, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by gnome

I'm not sure why we should cling to a solution that makes the federal government be dominated by the smaller states instead.

For the exact same reason that the EU's executive bodies aren't pure proportional representation.

d4m10n · 6th September 2023, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

Another article about it, also saying it seems destined for the Supreme Court.

https://apnews.com/article/19ca3f178...2cb1260e7c2aed

Here is the NYT write-up:
Colorado Lawsuit Seeks to Keep Trump Off Ballots Under 14th Amendment
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/06/u...-android-share

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Gulliver Foyle · 7th September 2023, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Gerrymandering has zero influence on Presidential elections. ZERO. If we had no Electoral College the USA would not have existed.

From a person who's spent a sifnificant amount of time pretending not to understand basic legal principles recently this is quite something.

Gerrymandering DOES absolutely have an affect on national elections in the US. Because power to run elections is devolved to a political office in each state separately the composition of state governments is extremely important at the national level. Illegal voter disenfranchisements, positioning of polling stations, placing broken or otherwise deliberately defective voting machines and many other tactics have changed the results of US presidential elections since at least 2000 and all these actions to strangle citizens rights to vote have happened in heavily gerrymandered "red" states.

The Great Zaganza · 7th September 2023, 05:42 AM

I have come around to the belief that it would be a good thing for a State House or Election Commission to formally declare that they would not allow anyone involved in January 6Th on the ballot, and soon, and ask the Supreme Court to weigh in.

Other it will be a mess.

Hercules56 · 7th September 2023, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

I have come around to the belief that it would be a good thing for a State House or Election Commission to formally declare that they would not allow anyone involved in January 6Th on the ballot, and soon, and ask the Supreme Court to weigh in.

Other it will be a mess.

Yes, the Supreme Court will resolve this issue sooner rather than later.

TellyKNeasuss · 7th September 2023, 10:56 AM

IMrarelyHbutoftenincorrectO, trying to get Trump declared ineligible before the trial takes place could backfire.

Tero · 7th September 2023, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by d4m10n

Here is the NYT write-up:
Colorado Lawsuit Seeks to Keep Trump Off Ballots Under 14th Amendment
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/06/u...-android-share

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gnome · 7th September 2023, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Because that was the deal under which the smaller states agreed to join the USA. I don't know about you, but I don't think changing the rules in the middle of the game is kosher, unless you follow the rules about changing the rules. There is a way to get rid of the electoral college; by amending the constitution.

Whether to make a change is a different discussion from how to make such a change.

Hercules56 · 7th September 2023, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by gnome

Whether to make a change is a different discussion from how to make such a change.

Best way to get rid of the EC is how it was created in the first place: Amend the USC. Easier way is my suggestion about following the national majority popular vote, but no Red state would go for that.

gnome · 7th September 2023, 01:47 PM

.. and somehow we're back on how, when I was asking about whether to in the first place.

Hercules56 · 7th September 2023, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by gnome

.. and somehow we're back on how, when I was asking about whether to in the first place.

Yes I support getting rid of the electoral college, but properly.

d4m10n · 7th September 2023, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss

...trying to get Trump declared ineligible before the trial takes place could backfire.

SCOTUS would have to rule on whether Trump “engaged in an insurrection” within the meaning of the 14^th so that strikes me as fairly legitimizing if not quite so much as a jury of peers.

Stacyhs · 7th September 2023, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by d4m10n

SCOTUS would have to rule on whether Trump “engaged in an insurrection” within the meaning of the 14^th so that strikes me as fairly legitimizing if not quite so much as a jury of peers.

The chance of this SCOTUS ruling that Trump engaged in an insurrection is about as likely to happen as King Charles divorcing Camilla to marry Meghan Markle.

d4m10n · 7th September 2023, 05:23 PM

So you're saying there's a chance.

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Stacyhs · 7th September 2023, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by d4m10n

So you're saying there's a chance.

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Hercules56 · 8th September 2023, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by d4m10n

SCOTUS would have to rule on whether Trump “engaged in an insurrection” within the meaning of the 14^th so that strikes me as fairly legitimizing if not quite so much as a jury of peers.

Or the court could rule that Trump gave support and aid to insurrectionists, which is more likely.

Cat Not Included · 8th September 2023, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Brainster

Because that was the deal under which the smaller states agreed to join the USA. I don't know about you, but I don't think changing the rules in the middle of the game is kosher, unless you follow the rules about changing the rules. There is a way to get rid of the electoral college; by amending the constitution.

A lot of that was concessions to slave states to get them to join, and then they just rebelled anyway. Should have thrown all those concessions out then.
There's still the whole damn Senate to give states equal representation.

And its not a damn game. These are important rules that govern our country and can be matters of life and death. "Oh, we have to do it the way they decided to 200+ years ago regardless of how society and technology have changed changing a game isn't fair" is absurdist nonsense.

Hercules56 · 8th September 2023, 11:39 AM

There are not enough states to approve an amendment to get rid of the electoral college. We will have to wait another generation.

theprestige · 8th September 2023, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Cat Not Included

A lot of that was concessions to slave states to get them to join, and then they just rebelled anyway. Should have thrown all those concessions out then.
There's still the whole damn Senate to give states equal representation.

And its not a damn game. These are important rules that govern our country and can be matters of life and death. "Oh, we have to do it the way they decided to 200+ years ago regardless of how society and technology have changed changing a game isn't fair" is absurdist nonsense.

If society and technology have changed so much in the past 200 years, why doesn't the EU embrace proportional representation for its member states?

Skeptic Ginger · 8th September 2023, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

At some point, an effort will be made to remove Trump from the ballot somewhere; whether it's in a primary or the general election, a red state or a blue state. At that point Trump sues and I have little doubt that the Supreme Court will step in, due to the importance of the case and time considerations. The case does not have to go the usual District Court/Court of Appeals/Supreme Court route.

Given Trump is currently scheduled for 4 trials seems like this is a separate case.

Get in line.

Skeptic Ginger · 8th September 2023, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

The sooner these 14A lawsuits go to the SC and they rule one way or the other, the better.

I agree and it might be a nightmare if he's denied ballot access while it would be nice to have a guarantee Trump can't win. I'll continue to believe the voters will come out in droves against this guy. He might have a very a motivated following who are also going to come out to vote, but we've seen in 2020 they are a minority.

I would love to see the SCOTUS smack Trump down.

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Gerrymandering has zero influence on Presidential elections. ZERO. If we had no Electoral College the USA would not have existed.

GOP legislator dominance in state Houses are controlling voter suppression acts. And don't expect an argument from me when you go off digging another hole for yourself.

Skeptic Ginger · 8th September 2023, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

I keep saying both sides of the political spectrum are scumbags, and both sides keep proving me right.

Stop appealing to Trump every time you get asked to justify your position.

Stop appealing to this false equivalence. There is a comparable sliver of truth in what you say, but only if you recognize the extent of the difference between the alt-right extremism that controls the House and the Democratic Party legislators who don't.

Skeptic Ginger · 8th September 2023, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Cat Not Included

... The 14th amendment clearly should disqualify Trump. Its obviously not actually going to, but somehow suggesting we follow that particular rule from the constitution is unfair?

I think it will be entertaining to see those 6 justices pretend they are not voting against the Constitution when they overrule the Amendment.

If they use the argument Trump hasn't been convicted, then the case will no doubt be brought up again when he is convicted (I remain optimistic).

It's going to be a **** show no matter how it goes.

6th September 2023, 07:24 AM	#361
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 112,595	Originally Posted by Hercules56 That's incorrect. US Supreme Court is also the highest appellate court in the land. Which is why this issue will ultimately be settled by the US Supreme Court. That quote was lifted directly from the "About the court" on their website, you need to have a word with them since they don't seem to know what they are!
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6th September 2023, 07:36 AM	#362
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7,535	Originally Posted by Darat That quote was lifted directly from the "About the court" on their website, you need to have a word with them since they don't seem to know what they are! I quoted from the US Constitution, the highest law of the land. Outweighs your website.
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6th September 2023, 09:10 AM	#363
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 20,303	Originally Posted by Darat How? At some point, an effort will be made to remove Trump from the ballot somewhere; whether it's in a primary or the general election, a red state or a blue state. At that point Trump sues and I have little doubt that the Supreme Court will step in, due to the importance of the case and time considerations. The case does not have to go the usual District Court/Court of Appeals/Supreme Court route.
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6th September 2023, 09:14 AM	#364
Paul2 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 8,015	Originally Posted by Darat How? Not sure exactly what you mean by your question, but does this Guardian article help? US supreme court likely to determine Trump’s 2024 eligibility soon – ex-judge Also, I read somewhere - now I can't find where - that SCOTUS is already reviewing the issue - something - in conference (if that's the right term).
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6th September 2023, 09:15 AM	#365
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7,535	Originally Posted by Paul2 Not sure exactly what you mean by your question, but does this Guardian article help? US supreme court likely to determine Trump’s 2024 eligibility soon – ex-judge Also, I read somewhere - now I can't find where - that SCOTUS is already reviewing the issue - something - in conference (if that's the right term). As I said, there is no doubt this issue will ultimately be settled by SCOTUS.
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6th September 2023, 09:18 AM	#367
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6th September 2023, 10:58 AM	#368
gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,493	Originally Posted by Brainster The point is that the electoral college gave the smaller states some reassurance that the federal government would not be dominated by the larger states. I'm not sure why we should cling to a solution that makes the federal government be dominated by the smaller states instead.
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6th September 2023, 11:56 AM	#369
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7,535	Originally Posted by gnome I'm not sure why we should cling to a solution that makes the federal government be dominated by the smaller states instead. Presidential elections are not dominated by the smaller states. Candidate can win by only winning the 11 biggest states. That's 22%.
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6th September 2023, 12:13 PM	#371
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 26,436	Watchdog group sues to block Trump from Colorado ballot, citing 14th Amendment’s disqualification clause. https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/06/polit...dment-colorado
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6th September 2023, 03:20 PM	#372
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 44,235	Originally Posted by William Parcher Watchdog group sues to block Trump from Colorado ballot, citing 14th Amendment’s disqualification clause. https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/06/polit...dment-colorado "The lawsuit was filed by CREW on behalf of six Colorado voters, which the group says are independents or Republicans, including former US Rep. Claudine Schneider and former Colorado Senate Majority Leader Norma Anderson, both Republicans." More republicans! Add them to the Texan who filed in NH. Another article about it, also saying it seems destined for the Supreme Court. https://apnews.com/article/19ca3f178...2cb1260e7c2aed

6th September 2023, 03:56 PM	#373
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6th September 2023, 04:02 PM	#374
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7,535	Originally Posted by Stacyhs The sooner these 14A lawsuits go to the SC and they rule one way or the other, the better. Hopefully the supreme Court will settle this issue by the end of the year.
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6th September 2023, 04:04 PM	#375
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 20,303	Originally Posted by gnome I'm not sure why we should cling to a solution that makes the federal government be dominated by the smaller states instead. Because that was the deal under which the smaller states agreed to join the USA. I don't know about you, but I don't think changing the rules in the middle of the game is kosher, unless you follow the rules about changing the rules. There is a way to get rid of the electoral college; by amending the constitution.
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6th September 2023, 04:06 PM	#376
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 32,229	Originally Posted by Brainster Because that was the deal under which the smaller states agreed to join the USA. I don't know about you, but I don't think changing the rules in the middle of the game is kosher, unless you follow the rules about changing the rules. There is a way to get rid of the electoral college; by amending the constitution. Fat chance that's going to happen. We couldn't even get the ERA passed.

6th September 2023, 04:07 PM	#377
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7,535	Originally Posted by Brainster Because that was the deal under which the smaller states agreed to join the USA. I don't know about you, but I don't think changing the rules in the middle of the game is kosher, unless you follow the rules about changing the rules. There is a way to get rid of the electoral college; by amending the constitution. There is another way. Have it put in every state constitution that their electors are chosen by following the popular national vote. That way if a candidate gets 51% of the national popular vote, the state is bound to choose the electors of that candidate, regardless of the results in the individual state. Yes, every state decides for themselves how they wish to choose their presidential electors. Congress can mandate Democratic elections for congressional seats but with regards to the presidential elections the states have complete control of how they do things.
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6th September 2023, 04:10 PM	#378
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Antimemetics Division Posts: 67,171	Originally Posted by gnome I'm not sure why we should cling to a solution that makes the federal government be dominated by the smaller states instead. For the exact same reason that the EU's executive bodies aren't pure proportional representation.
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6th September 2023, 04:24 PM	#379
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7th September 2023, 05:27 AM	#380
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7th September 2023, 05:42 AM	#381
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7th September 2023, 06:15 AM	#382
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7,535	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza I have come around to the belief that it would be a good thing for a State House or Election Commission to formally declare that they would not allow anyone involved in January 6Th on the ballot, and soon, and ask the Supreme Court to weigh in. Other it will be a mess. Yes, the Supreme Court will resolve this issue sooner rather than later.
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7th September 2023, 10:56 AM	#383
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7th September 2023, 11:02 AM	#384
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7th September 2023, 11:36 AM	#385
gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,493	Originally Posted by Brainster Because that was the deal under which the smaller states agreed to join the USA. I don't know about you, but I don't think changing the rules in the middle of the game is kosher, unless you follow the rules about changing the rules. There is a way to get rid of the electoral college; by amending the constitution. Whether to make a change is a different discussion from how to make such a change.
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7th September 2023, 12:21 PM	#386
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7,535	Originally Posted by gnome Whether to make a change is a different discussion from how to make such a change. Best way to get rid of the EC is how it was created in the first place: Amend the USC. Easier way is my suggestion about following the national majority popular vote, but no Red state would go for that.
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7th September 2023, 01:47 PM	#387
gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,493	.. and somehow we're back on how, when I was asking about whether to in the first place.
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7th September 2023, 01:48 PM	#388
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7,535	Originally Posted by gnome .. and somehow we're back on how, when I was asking about whether to in the first place. Yes I support getting rid of the electoral college, but properly.
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7th September 2023, 04:59 PM	#389
d4m10n Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Mounts Farm Posts: 11,846	Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss ...trying to get Trump declared ineligible before the trial takes place could backfire. SCOTUS would have to rule on whether Trump “engaged in an insurrection” within the meaning of the 14^th so that strikes me as fairly legitimizing if not quite so much as a jury of peers.
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7th September 2023, 05:11 PM	#390
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 32,229	Originally Posted by d4m10n SCOTUS would have to rule on whether Trump “engaged in an insurrection” within the meaning of the 14^th so that strikes me as fairly legitimizing if not quite so much as a jury of peers. The chance of this SCOTUS ruling that Trump engaged in an insurrection is about as likely to happen as King Charles divorcing Camilla to marry Meghan Markle.

7th September 2023, 05:23 PM	#391
d4m10n Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Mounts Farm Posts: 11,846	So you're saying there's a chance. Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk
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7th September 2023, 05:27 PM	#392
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 32,229	Originally Posted by d4m10n So you're saying there's a chance. Sent from my SM-G996U using Tapatalk Meghan will be thrilled! Queen Meghan is so much better than just mere Duchess Meghan.

8th September 2023, 05:16 AM	#393
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7,535	Originally Posted by d4m10n SCOTUS would have to rule on whether Trump “engaged in an insurrection” within the meaning of the 14^th so that strikes me as fairly legitimizing if not quite so much as a jury of peers. Or the court could rule that Trump gave support and aid to insurrectionists, which is more likely.
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8th September 2023, 11:02 AM	#394
Cat Not Included Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2016 Posts: 425	Originally Posted by Brainster Because that was the deal under which the smaller states agreed to join the USA. I don't know about you, but I don't think changing the rules in the middle of the game is kosher, unless you follow the rules about changing the rules. There is a way to get rid of the electoral college; by amending the constitution. A lot of that was concessions to slave states to get them to join, and then they just rebelled anyway. Should have thrown all those concessions out then. There's still the whole damn Senate to give states equal representation. And its not a damn game. These are important rules that govern our country and can be matters of life and death. "Oh, we have to do it the way they decided to 200+ years ago regardless of how society and technology have changed changing a game isn't fair" is absurdist nonsense.
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8th September 2023, 11:39 AM	#395
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7,535	There are not enough states to approve an amendment to get rid of the electoral college. We will have to wait another generation.
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