George Santos charged with defrauding campaign donors - Page 3

BobTheCoward · 2nd January 2023, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

So if I understand you correctly, you find it perfectly acceptable for a person to lie on their CV/resume, in order to get the job they are applying for?

No, I do not think it is acceptable. But it isn't the role of the representative of the district I live in to evaluate the resume...the voters already did that in New York.

There is a lot of things on the resume of politicians I think are unacceptable that essentially amount to being a Republican. But I'm not going to call on the local elected officials to try and expel all elected Republicans, either.

bruto · 2nd January 2023, 09:06 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

No, I do not think it is acceptable. But it isn't the role of the representative of the district I live in to evaluate the resume...the voters already did that in New York.

There is a lot of things on the resume of politicians I think are unacceptable that essentially amount to being a Republican. But I'm not going to call on the local elected officials to try and expel all elected Republicans, either.

I have difficulty understanding what you're saying here. You seem to be implying that if you don't like the truth anyway, the lie doesn't matter.

You say the voters evaluated the resume, but if the resume was fake that's the one thing they could not do. I think even Republican voters who vote for a person I would never support are entitled to have at least a reasonable idea of who or what they're voting for.

I mean, I'd never vote for Liz Cheney, but I'm sure there are some who did who would be legitimately offended if she turned out to be a secret insurrectionist.

Maybe I'm misreading what you meant. It seems odd.

BobTheCoward · 2nd January 2023, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by bruto

You say the voters evaluated the resume, but if the resume was fake that's the one thing they could not do. I think even Republican voters who vote for a person I would never support are entitled to have at least a reasonable idea of who or what they're voting for.

I mean, I'd never vote for Liz Cheney, but I'm sure there are some who did who would be legitimately offended if she turned out to be a secret insurrectionist.

Maybe I'm misreading what you meant. It seems odd.

The Democrats pointed out he was a liar before the election. If you elect someone with poor character, you will find out that they did more things of poor character over time. But I am glad his constituents know more and can act accordingly.

There are cases where if it was truly novel information that would be something I would support kicking them out for....like how much Jimmy Seville caught people off guard.

But there is no surprise in Santos being a liar

Mike! · 2nd January 2023, 11:08 AM

Two men are applying for the position of Chief Surgeon of a major metropolitan hospital. One has every required degree and years of experience, the other has never missed an episode of General Hospital. However, their applications say they are both top flight doctors. One of them is clearly a bad choice, but there's no way of knowing which of them even may be lying, since the only thing the HR department can go by is the written applications and the personal interviews. Who to choose?
By the way, one of them is operating on you in the morning.

bruto · 2nd January 2023, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

The Democrats pointed out he was a liar before the election. If you elect someone with poor character, you will find out that they did more things of poor character over time. But I am glad his constituents know more and can act accordingly.

There are cases where if it was truly novel information that would be something I would support kicking them out for....like how much Jimmy Seville caught people off guard.

But there is no surprise in Santos being a liar

I get that part but I do really think there is a material difference here between someone who lies, as many politicians do, and someone whose lies are not only so extensive but so gratuitous that it's questionable not only whether he's competent to accomplish what he claims to stand for, but whether he actually stands for anything he says he does.

I suppose for some it's a matter of degree. They voted for the "leopards will eat your face off" party, after all, and they deserve a leopard, but even so they did not vote for a rhinoceros.

BobTheCoward · 2nd January 2023, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by bruto

I get that part but I do really think there is a material difference here between someone who lies, as many politicians do, and someone whose lies are not only so extensive but so gratuitous that it's questionable not only whether he's competent to accomplish what he claims to stand for, but whether he actually stands for anything he says he does.

I suppose for some it's a matter of degree. They voted for the "leopards will eat your face off" party, after all, and they deserve a leopard, but even so they did not vote for a rhinoceros.

I thought we knew before the election that he was such a gratuitous liar he wasn't qualified for the job. If that was actually new information after the election, I would have a different view.

smartcooky · 2nd January 2023, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

No, I do not think it is acceptable. But it isn't the role of the representative of the district I live in to evaluate the resume...the voters already did that in New York.

I think you are missing the point... the applicant lied on his resume, so the voters had no opportunity to evaluate the applicant's true record, and many of the lies he told were not revealed until AFTER the voters had cast their votes.

A candidate making false claims on the hustings about their qualifications, experience and work history ought to be disqualifying.

BobTheCoward · 2nd January 2023, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

I think you are missing the point... the applicant lied on his resume, so the voters had no opportunity to evaluate the applicant's true record, and many of the lies he told were not revealed until AFTER the voters had cast their votes.

A candidate making false claims on the hustings about their qualifications, experience and work history ought to be disqualifying.

I don't think you understand my point. Liars liE and he is a known liar. Just as you will hear more stories about a charitable person being charitable in their past, you Are going to uncover more lies from a liar. The specific lies are not news or any more information on their character.

bruto · 2nd January 2023, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

I thought we knew before the election that he was such a gratuitous liar he wasn't qualified for the job. If that was actually new information after the election, I would have a different view.

I understand, and agree that for all sorts of reasons I would consider him unqualified for the job, but I think that there were others who considered him qualified for much the same reason, and that the dimension and depth of his lying made a difference. There is, I think, a difference between voting for the wrong person and voting for a person who in essence does not even exist. I realize that in this I'm kind of acting as devil's advocate, in the sense that I'm sympathizing with people whose votes I think were wrong anyway, but I think it's even possible to fool a fool.

Bob001 · 2nd January 2023, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Mike!

Two men are applying for the position of Chief Surgeon of a major metropolitan hospital. One has every required degree and years of experience, the other has never missed an episode of General Hospital. However, their applications say they are both top flight doctors. One of them is clearly a bad choice, but there's no way of knowing which of them even may be lying, since the only thing the HR department can go by is the written applications and the personal interviews. Who to choose?
By the way, one of them is operating on you in the morning.

I'm not sure that's a good analogy. Even if for some reason they couldn't perform a background investigation, a competent interviewer would ask detailed questions about how they would perform specific procedures, who were their instructors at the med school they claim to have attended, etc., etc. In this case the voters essentially had to rely on the resume without an interview or background check.

Bob001 · 2nd January 2023, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

I thought we knew before the election that he was such a gratuitous liar he wasn't qualified for the job. If that was actually new information after the election, I would have a different view.

What makes you think so? The information about Santos' lies came out after the election. Apparently a small paper raised questions beforehand, but they never gained traction, apparently in part because it was considered a safe seat for the Democrats.

BobTheCoward · 2nd January 2023, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

What makes you think so? The information about Santos' lies came out after the election. Apparently a small paper raised questions beforehand, but they never gained traction, apparently in part because it was considered a safe seat for the Democrats.

I regard the paper as sufficient

Bob001 · 2nd January 2023, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

I regard the paper as sufficient

Not if most voters didn't have access to it, and other media didn't pick up the information.

Norman Alexander · 2nd January 2023, 03:08 PM

How much reportage did Fox News give of his lies BEFORE the election? And how much now? Remember who you are dealing with here - low-information cultists.

Also, if these people want government run like a business, what's the standard response to a business finding out a new start has comprehensively lied on their resume in order to get the senior position they offered? I can tell you - they are fired on the spot and escorted off the premises, and that's just the start.

mgidm86 · 2nd January 2023, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Mike!

Two men are applying for the position of Chief Surgeon of a major metropolitan hospital. One has every required degree and years of experience, the other has never missed an episode of General Hospital. However, their applications say they are both top flight doctors. One of them is clearly a bad choice, but there's no way of knowing which of them even may be lying, since the only thing the HR department can go by is the written applications and the personal interviews. Who to choose?
By the way, one of them is operating on you in the morning.

"I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV" is enough for many people. In fact that was the first line my Critical Thinking teacher said to the class on day one. "Any one remember the following commercial?......"

Republican politicians don't need facts. Many of their voters don't either. I mean they're nice to have around but not really necessary.

Let's see what happens to this guy. Actions over words.

BobTheCoward · 2nd January 2023, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Not if most voters didn't have access to it, and other media didn't pick up the information.

I disagree. I don't think the role of voter needs spoon-feeding

Norman Alexander · 2nd January 2023, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by mgidm86

"I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV" is enough for many people. In fact that was the first line my Critical Thinking teacher said to the class on day one. "Any one remember the following commercial?......"

Republican politicians don't need facts. Many of their voters don't either. I mean they're nice to have around but not really necessary.

Let's see what happens to this guy. Actions over words.

This actually successful for MAGA voters. Because it's Trump's line: "I'm a successful businessman because I played one on TV!" And they fell for it.

Stacyhs · 2nd January 2023, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by mgidm86

"I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV" is enough for many people. In fact that was the first line my Critical Thinking teacher said to the class on day one. "Any one remember the following commercial?......"

Republican politicians don't need facts. Many of their voters don't either. I mean they're nice to have around but not really necessary.

Let's see what happens to this guy. Actions over words.

I remember that commercial. There's a reason why commercials put actors in white coats and, often, a stethoscope around their neck: people are stupid.

mgidm86 · 2nd January 2023, 07:25 PM

This looks interesting:

Brazilian authorities intend to revive fraud case against George Santos

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/02/polit...ase/index.html

Quote:

The criminal case, according to the Times, citing court records it has reviewed, stems from a visit Santos made to a small clothing store in Niterói, a city outside of Rio de Janeiro, where Santos spent nearly $700 out of the stolen checkbook using a fake name.

CNN previously confirmed reporting from the Times last month that Santos was charged with embezzlement in a Brazilian court in 2011, according to case records from the Rio de Janeiro Court of Justice. However, court records from 2013 state that the charge was archived after court summons went unanswered and they were unable to locate Santos.

Quote:

“I am not a criminal here – not here or in Brazil or any jurisdiction in the world. Absolutely not. That didn’t happen.”

Translation: "I am a criminal in every jurisdiction on the planet"

He claims he's innocent so it's a damn good bet he is guilty. I laughed out loud when I read the charge.

This is getting good! Damn the Repubs know how to pick 'em!

Regnad Kcin · 2nd January 2023, 08:15 PM

Does anyone know if Santos ever claimed to have dated Morgan Fairchild?

crescent · 2nd January 2023, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Does anyone know if Santos ever claimed to have dated Morgan Fairchild?

I thought he was Morgan Fairchild.

Has anybody ever seen them in the same room together? If not, that seems very suspicious.

ZiprHead · 2nd January 2023, 08:21 PM

C'mon, gang. We need to give George a break. His mother died again this morning.

mgidm86 · 2nd January 2023, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

C'mon, gang. We need to give George a break. His mother died again this morning.

LOL! Hell ya I needed that.

bruto · 2nd January 2023, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

C'mon, gang. We need to give George a break. His mother died again this morning.

At least a week to sit shiva.

Stacyhs · 3rd January 2023, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by ZiprHead

C'mon, gang. We need to give George a break. His mother died again this morning.

Originally Posted by bruto

At least a week to sit shiva.

Aw, come on, guys! Take pity on we who have given birth and therefore pee ourselves at least little every time we laugh.

The Great Zaganza · 3rd January 2023, 03:04 AM

Trump is the best example of someone who used lies to get elected, and even when the lies were exposed didn't lose followers.
Ultimately, it matters more what a representative does when in office than what they did to get into office.
Of course, Bayesian reasoning suggests that if they used deception in the past, they will use it going forward.

Mike! · 3rd January 2023, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Does anyone know if Santos ever claimed to have dated Morgan Fairchild?

Tommy Flanagan (Pronounced Flah-nay-gann), president of Pathological Liars Anonymous, looks at George Santos and says, "Damn, that guy is lying his freaking ass off."

ZiprHead · 3rd January 2023, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Aw, come on, guys! Take pity on we who have given birth and therefore pee ourselves at least little every time we laugh.

My apologies to your undies.

Stacyhs · 4th January 2023, 02:18 AM

Nightline covered Santos and filmed him sitting alone on his first day in the House and described him as "an outcast".

One conservative in his district said he should just get out of town and questioned who would work with him, believe him, or trust him. Another went for the 'If everybody who lied in politics took accountability, we wouldn't have anybody around". I wonder if this genius

has ever considered that the reason they continue to lie so blatantly and never take accountability is because of that very attitude she just expressed?

Last September, a local paper, The Northshore Leader, exposed many of Santos' lies, including his rocket rise from $55K a year to $11 million with no plausible explanation.
Santos' Dem opponent in the race, Robert Zimmerman, tried to bring attention to the paper's article but "couldn't get any traction" for the story.

In one campaign ad, Santos said, "I've seen how socialism destroys people's lives because my grandparents survived the Holocaust."

Does this idiot think the Nazis were socialists?

Gulliver Foyle · 4th January 2023, 05:16 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Nightline covered Santos and filmed him sitting alone on his first day in the House and described him as "an outcast".

One conservative in his district said he should just get out of town and questioned who would work with him, believe him, or trust him. Another went for the 'If everybody who lied in politics took accountability, we wouldn't have anybody around". I wonder if this genius

has ever considered that the reason they continue to lie so blatantly and never take accountability is because of that very attitude she just expressed?

Last September, a local paper, The Northshore Leader, exposed many of Santos' lies, including his rocket rise from $55K a year to $11 million with no plausible explanation.
Santos' Dem opponent in the race, Robert Zimmerman, tried to bring attention to the paper's article but "couldn't get any traction" for the story.

In one campaign ad, Santos said, "I've seen how socialism destroys people's lives because my grandparents survived the Holocaust."

Does this idiot think the Nazis were socialists?

Probably. But even if he doesn't he'd know his constituency is stupid enough to think so.

thaiboxerken · 4th January 2023, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

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Does this idiot think the Nazis were socialists?

Well, isn't it in the official Nazi name, the national socialist workers' party? North Korea is also a democratic republic too. Oh, and the Freedom Caucus fights for freedom and rights of all Americans too.

MinnesotaBrant · 4th January 2023, 09:47 AM

I actually really like him. His mom really was a housekeeper and how many members of congress can say that. Val Demings mainly ran on growing up poor and got no points for that. I donated to her early on but she laid the poor thing on pretty thick. She should have ran on the issues. There were a lot of issues considering who she was running against. About Santos, it is pretty sad that you have to make lies like that to get elected. And they were really good fun lies! I think if given half the chance he could be really fun to watch.

gnome · 4th January 2023, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Does this idiot think the Nazis were socialists?

There are lots of people on the right, idiocy unexamined, who like to present Nazi Germany an example of what happens when socialists get their way. I hear it quite a lot on mixed forums.

Some stuff like this I don't know how sincerely it's believed, as much as it's a flag to wave to recognize each other. It's actually odd to pin down. I mean, they'll say they believe something and not be lying, but have a conspicuous lack of interest in examining how true it is. The best you can say is that they believe it but don't really care if they're wrong.

Stacyhs · 4th January 2023, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

Well, isn't it in the official Nazi name, the national socialist workers' party? North Korea is also a democratic republic too. Oh, and the Freedom Caucus fights for freedom and rights of all Americans too.

The more a country uses the terms "People's", "Socialist", or "Democratic", the less they actually are any of those. The same thing with "Freedom" and "Patriot (or form thereof) with groups.

mgidm86 · 4th January 2023, 02:44 PM

He now admits to stealing a checkbook from his Mom's purse, a checkbook that was not hers, and writing fraudulent checks signing the other guy's name. Brazil is going after him.

So another lie (like anyone believed him)...."I am not a criminal in any jurisdiction in the world". Dude...!

I have long joked about running for office in my Dad's red district as a Republican, but only for the cool pension plan. Maybe that isn't too far-fetched these days. I'd have to lie a lot and say stupid stuff constantly but that might be fun.

The Santos guy is truly pathetic. I hope something is done about him besides not sitting next to him in chambers. I hope he is extradited or otherwise forced to go to Brazil and jailed LOL.

On a positive note (or maybe this is positive, long term) this is another very bad sign for Republicans, especially if they let this slide. What an embarrassing group of people. Republicans are so separated from reality it's almost comical. Tragically comical. Comically tragical.

He's 34. The theft occurred in 2008 when he was 20. He obviously has not changed.

Mike! · 4th January 2023, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

The more a country uses the terms "People's", "Socialist", or "Democratic", the less they actually are any of those. The same thing with "Freedom" and "Patriot (or form thereof) with groups.

You left out "Truth". As in Truth Socialist.

Stacyhs · 4th January 2023, 03:17 PM

Santos just can't seem to help himself. He truly is pathological about lying:

Quote:

A now-deleted press release on his official House website claimed that Mr Santos was “sworn in as a member of the House of Representatives by the speaker of the House on January 3, 2023,” even though there was no speaker of the House at all.

Quote:

A second item in the “press releases” section contains a class picture of new members joining the 118th Congress, and still erroneously refers to them being sworn in on Tuesday.

“The newest Members of Congress are sworn in on January 3rd, 2023,” reads the photo caption on Mr Santos’s site.

(Newsweek)
None of the new members has been sworn in.

Norman Alexander · 4th January 2023, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by mgidm86

He now admits to stealing a checkbook from his Mom's purse, a checkbook that was not hers, and writing fraudulent checks signing the other guy's name. Brazil is going after him.

So another lie (like anyone believed him)...."I am not a criminal in any jurisdiction in the world". Dude...!

I have long joked about running for office in my Dad's red district as a Republican, but only for the cool pension plan. Maybe that isn't too far-fetched these days. I'd have to lie a lot and say stupid stuff constantly but that might be fun.

The Santos guy is truly pathetic. I hope something is done about him besides not sitting next to him in chambers. I hope he is extradited or otherwise forced to go to Brazil and jailed LOL.

On a positive note (or maybe this is positive, long term) this is another very bad sign for Republicans, especially if they let this slide. What an embarrassing group of people. Republicans are so separated from reality it's almost comical. Tragically comical. Comically tragical.

He's 34. The theft occurred in 2008 when he was 20. He obviously has not changed.

He is referred to here as a fantasist lying criminal and fugitive.

BobTheCoward · 4th January 2023, 07:19 PM

The checkbook story is probably my threshold for getting kicked

Norman Alexander · 4th January 2023, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

The checkbook story is probably my threshold for getting kicked

Might be interesting to have a Republucan rep deported back to Brazil to face theft and fraud charges... The MAGAnuts are all for sending back South American criminals.

2nd January 2023, 04:48 AM	#81
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by smartcooky So if I understand you correctly, you find it perfectly acceptable for a person to lie on their CV/resume, in order to get the job they are applying for? No, I do not think it is acceptable. But it isn't the role of the representative of the district I live in to evaluate the resume...the voters already did that in New York. There is a lot of things on the resume of politicians I think are unacceptable that essentially amount to being a Republican. But I'm not going to call on the local elected officials to try and expel all elected Republicans, either.
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2nd January 2023, 09:06 AM	#82
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 35,525	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward No, I do not think it is acceptable. But it isn't the role of the representative of the district I live in to evaluate the resume...the voters already did that in New York. There is a lot of things on the resume of politicians I think are unacceptable that essentially amount to being a Republican. But I'm not going to call on the local elected officials to try and expel all elected Republicans, either. I have difficulty understanding what you're saying here. You seem to be implying that if you don't like the truth anyway, the lie doesn't matter. You say the voters evaluated the resume, but if the resume was fake that's the one thing they could not do. I think even Republican voters who vote for a person I would never support are entitled to have at least a reasonable idea of who or what they're voting for. I mean, I'd never vote for Liz Cheney, but I'm sure there are some who did who would be legitimately offended if she turned out to be a secret insurrectionist. Maybe I'm misreading what you meant. It seems odd.
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2nd January 2023, 10:17 AM	#83
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by bruto You say the voters evaluated the resume, but if the resume was fake that's the one thing they could not do. I think even Republican voters who vote for a person I would never support are entitled to have at least a reasonable idea of who or what they're voting for. I mean, I'd never vote for Liz Cheney, but I'm sure there are some who did who would be legitimately offended if she turned out to be a secret insurrectionist. Maybe I'm misreading what you meant. It seems odd. The Democrats pointed out he was a liar before the election. If you elect someone with poor character, you will find out that they did more things of poor character over time. But I am glad his constituents know more and can act accordingly. There are cases where if it was truly novel information that would be something I would support kicking them out for....like how much Jimmy Seville caught people off guard. But there is no surprise in Santos being a liar
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2nd January 2023, 11:08 AM	#84
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2nd January 2023, 11:36 AM	#85
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 35,525	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward The Democrats pointed out he was a liar before the election. If you elect someone with poor character, you will find out that they did more things of poor character over time. But I am glad his constituents know more and can act accordingly. There are cases where if it was truly novel information that would be something I would support kicking them out for....like how much Jimmy Seville caught people off guard. But there is no surprise in Santos being a liar I get that part but I do really think there is a material difference here between someone who lies, as many politicians do, and someone whose lies are not only so extensive but so gratuitous that it's questionable not only whether he's competent to accomplish what he claims to stand for, but whether he actually stands for anything he says he does. I suppose for some it's a matter of degree. They voted for the "leopards will eat your face off" party, after all, and they deserve a leopard, but even so they did not vote for a rhinoceros.
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2nd January 2023, 11:43 AM	#86
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by bruto I get that part but I do really think there is a material difference here between someone who lies, as many politicians do, and someone whose lies are not only so extensive but so gratuitous that it's questionable not only whether he's competent to accomplish what he claims to stand for, but whether he actually stands for anything he says he does. I suppose for some it's a matter of degree. They voted for the "leopards will eat your face off" party, after all, and they deserve a leopard, but even so they did not vote for a rhinoceros. I thought we knew before the election that he was such a gratuitous liar he wasn't qualified for the job. If that was actually new information after the election, I would have a different view.
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2nd January 2023, 12:29 PM	#87
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 24,829	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward No, I do not think it is acceptable. But it isn't the role of the representative of the district I live in to evaluate the resume...the voters already did that in New York. I think you are missing the point... the applicant lied on his resume, so the voters had no opportunity to evaluate the applicant's true record, and many of the lies he told were not revealed until AFTER the voters had cast their votes. A candidate making false claims on the hustings about their qualifications, experience and work history ought to be disqualifying.
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2nd January 2023, 12:33 PM	#88
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by smartcooky I think you are missing the point... the applicant lied on his resume, so the voters had no opportunity to evaluate the applicant's true record, and many of the lies he told were not revealed until AFTER the voters had cast their votes. A candidate making false claims on the hustings about their qualifications, experience and work history ought to be disqualifying. I don't think you understand my point. Liars liE and he is a known liar. Just as you will hear more stories about a charitable person being charitable in their past, you Are going to uncover more lies from a liar. The specific lies are not news or any more information on their character.
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2nd January 2023, 02:00 PM	#89
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 35,525	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward I thought we knew before the election that he was such a gratuitous liar he wasn't qualified for the job. If that was actually new information after the election, I would have a different view. I understand, and agree that for all sorts of reasons I would consider him unqualified for the job, but I think that there were others who considered him qualified for much the same reason, and that the dimension and depth of his lying made a difference. There is, I think, a difference between voting for the wrong person and voting for a person who in essence does not even exist. I realize that in this I'm kind of acting as devil's advocate, in the sense that I'm sympathizing with people whose votes I think were wrong anyway, but I think it's even possible to fool a fool.
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2nd January 2023, 02:36 PM	#90
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,613	Originally Posted by Mike! Two men are applying for the position of Chief Surgeon of a major metropolitan hospital. One has every required degree and years of experience, the other has never missed an episode of General Hospital. However, their applications say they are both top flight doctors. One of them is clearly a bad choice, but there's no way of knowing which of them even may be lying, since the only thing the HR department can go by is the written applications and the personal interviews. Who to choose? By the way, one of them is operating on you in the morning. I'm not sure that's a good analogy. Even if for some reason they couldn't perform a background investigation, a competent interviewer would ask detailed questions about how they would perform specific procedures, who were their instructors at the med school they claim to have attended, etc., etc. In this case the voters essentially had to rely on the resume without an interview or background check.

2nd January 2023, 02:39 PM	#91
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,613	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward I thought we knew before the election that he was such a gratuitous liar he wasn't qualified for the job. If that was actually new information after the election, I would have a different view. What makes you think so? The information about Santos' lies came out after the election. Apparently a small paper raised questions beforehand, but they never gained traction, apparently in part because it was considered a safe seat for the Democrats.

2nd January 2023, 02:59 PM	#92
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by Bob001 What makes you think so? The information about Santos' lies came out after the election. Apparently a small paper raised questions beforehand, but they never gained traction, apparently in part because it was considered a safe seat for the Democrats. I regard the paper as sufficient
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2nd January 2023, 03:02 PM	#93
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 16,613	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward I regard the paper as sufficient Not if most voters didn't have access to it, and other media didn't pick up the information.

2nd January 2023, 03:08 PM	#94
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 16,174	How much reportage did Fox News give of his lies BEFORE the election? And how much now? Remember who you are dealing with here - low-information cultists. Also, if these people want government run like a business, what's the standard response to a business finding out a new start has comprehensively lied on their resume in order to get the senior position they offered? I can tell you - they are fired on the spot and escorted off the premises, and that's just the start.
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2nd January 2023, 04:00 PM	#95
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,624	Originally Posted by Mike! Two men are applying for the position of Chief Surgeon of a major metropolitan hospital. One has every required degree and years of experience, the other has never missed an episode of General Hospital. However, their applications say they are both top flight doctors. One of them is clearly a bad choice, but there's no way of knowing which of them even may be lying, since the only thing the HR department can go by is the written applications and the personal interviews. Who to choose? By the way, one of them is operating on you in the morning. "I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV" is enough for many people. In fact that was the first line my Critical Thinking teacher said to the class on day one. "Any one remember the following commercial?......" Republican politicians don't need facts. Many of their voters don't either. I mean they're nice to have around but not really necessary. Let's see what happens to this guy. Actions over words.
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2nd January 2023, 04:07 PM	#96
BobTheCoward Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 22,789	Originally Posted by Bob001 Not if most voters didn't have access to it, and other media didn't pick up the information. I disagree. I don't think the role of voter needs spoon-feeding
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2nd January 2023, 05:33 PM	#97
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 16,174	Originally Posted by mgidm86 "I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV" is enough for many people. In fact that was the first line my Critical Thinking teacher said to the class on day one. "Any one remember the following commercial?......" Republican politicians don't need facts. Many of their voters don't either. I mean they're nice to have around but not really necessary. Let's see what happens to this guy. Actions over words. This actually successful for MAGA voters. Because it's Trump's line: "I'm a successful businessman because I played one on TV!" And they fell for it.
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2nd January 2023, 06:38 PM	#98
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 32,229	Originally Posted by mgidm86 "I'm not a doctor but I play one on TV" is enough for many people. In fact that was the first line my Critical Thinking teacher said to the class on day one. "Any one remember the following commercial?......" Republican politicians don't need facts. Many of their voters don't either. I mean they're nice to have around but not really necessary. Let's see what happens to this guy. Actions over words. I remember that commercial. There's a reason why commercials put actors in white coats and, often, a stethoscope around their neck: people are stupid.

2nd January 2023, 07:25 PM	#99
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,624	This looks interesting: Brazilian authorities intend to revive fraud case against George Santos https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/02/polit...ase/index.html Quote: The criminal case, according to the Times, citing court records it has reviewed, stems from a visit Santos made to a small clothing store in Niterói, a city outside of Rio de Janeiro, where Santos spent nearly $700 out of the stolen checkbook using a fake name. CNN previously confirmed reporting from the Times last month that Santos was charged with embezzlement in a Brazilian court in 2011, according to case records from the Rio de Janeiro Court of Justice. However, court records from 2013 state that the charge was archived after court summons went unanswered and they were unable to locate Santos. Quote: “I am not a criminal here – not here or in Brazil or any jurisdiction in the world. Absolutely not. That didn’t happen.” Translation: "I am a criminal in every jurisdiction on the planet" He claims he's innocent so it's a damn good bet he is guilty. I laughed out loud when I read the charge. This is getting good! Damn the Repubs know how to pick 'em!
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2nd January 2023, 08:15 PM	#100
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The old Same place Posts: 11,005	Does anyone know if Santos ever claimed to have dated Morgan Fairchild?
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2nd January 2023, 08:16 PM	#101
crescent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,591	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin Does anyone know if Santos ever claimed to have dated Morgan Fairchild? I thought he was Morgan Fairchild. Has anybody ever seen them in the same room together? If not, that seems very suspicious.

2nd January 2023, 08:21 PM	#102
ZiprHead Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sag-Nasty Posts: 1,103	C'mon, gang. We need to give George a break. His mother died again this morning.
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2nd January 2023, 08:48 PM	#103
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,624	Originally Posted by ZiprHead C'mon, gang. We need to give George a break. His mother died again this morning. LOL! Hell ya I needed that.
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2nd January 2023, 11:50 PM	#104
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 35,525	Originally Posted by ZiprHead C'mon, gang. We need to give George a break. His mother died again this morning. At least a week to sit shiva.
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3rd January 2023, 12:52 AM	#105
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 32,229	Originally Posted by ZiprHead C'mon, gang. We need to give George a break. His mother died again this morning. Originally Posted by bruto At least a week to sit shiva. Aw, come on, guys! Take pity on we who have given birth and therefore pee ourselves at least little every time we laugh.

3rd January 2023, 03:04 AM	#106
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Photo Contest Winner Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 21,603	Trump is the best example of someone who used lies to get elected, and even when the lies were exposed didn't lose followers. Ultimately, it matters more what a representative does when in office than what they did to get into office. Of course, Bayesian reasoning suggests that if they used deception in the past, they will use it going forward.
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3rd January 2023, 04:32 AM	#107
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 52,011	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin Does anyone know if Santos ever claimed to have dated Morgan Fairchild? Tommy Flanagan (Pronounced Flah-nay-gann), president of Pathological Liars Anonymous, looks at George Santos and says, "Damn, that guy is lying his freaking ass off."
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3rd January 2023, 05:47 PM	#108
ZiprHead Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sag-Nasty Posts: 1,103	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Aw, come on, guys! Take pity on we who have given birth and therefore pee ourselves at least little every time we laugh. My apologies to your undies.
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4th January 2023, 02:18 AM	#109
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 32,229	Nightline covered Santos and filmed him sitting alone on his first day in the House and described him as "an outcast". One conservative in his district said he should just get out of town and questioned who would work with him, believe him, or trust him. Another went for the 'If everybody who lied in politics took accountability, we wouldn't have anybody around". I wonder if this genius has ever considered that the reason they continue to lie so blatantly and never take accountability is because of that very attitude she just expressed? Last September, a local paper, The Northshore Leader, exposed many of Santos' lies, including his rocket rise from $55K a year to $11 million with no plausible explanation. Santos' Dem opponent in the race, Robert Zimmerman, tried to bring attention to the paper's article but "couldn't get any traction" for the story. In one campaign ad, Santos said, "I've seen how socialism destroys people's lives because my grandparents survived the Holocaust." Does this idiot think the Nazis were socialists?

4th January 2023, 05:16 AM	#110
Gulliver Foyle Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Cork baaaiii Posts: 2,835	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Nightline covered Santos and filmed him sitting alone on his first day in the House and described him as "an outcast". One conservative in his district said he should just get out of town and questioned who would work with him, believe him, or trust him. Another went for the 'If everybody who lied in politics took accountability, we wouldn't have anybody around". I wonder if this genius has ever considered that the reason they continue to lie so blatantly and never take accountability is because of that very attitude she just expressed? Last September, a local paper, The Northshore Leader, exposed many of Santos' lies, including his rocket rise from $55K a year to $11 million with no plausible explanation. Santos' Dem opponent in the race, Robert Zimmerman, tried to bring attention to the paper's article but "couldn't get any traction" for the story. In one campaign ad, Santos said, "I've seen how socialism destroys people's lives because my grandparents survived the Holocaust." Does this idiot think the Nazis were socialists? Probably. But even if he doesn't he'd know his constituency is stupid enough to think so.

4th January 2023, 09:28 AM	#111
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 32,585	Originally Posted by Stacyhs " Does this idiot think the Nazis were socialists? Well, isn't it in the official Nazi name, the national socialist workers' party? North Korea is also a democratic republic too. Oh, and the Freedom Caucus fights for freedom and rights of all Americans too.
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4th January 2023, 09:47 AM	#112
MinnesotaBrant Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 5,317	I actually really like him. His mom really was a housekeeper and how many members of congress can say that. Val Demings mainly ran on growing up poor and got no points for that. I donated to her early on but she laid the poor thing on pretty thick. She should have ran on the issues. There were a lot of issues considering who she was running against. About Santos, it is pretty sad that you have to make lies like that to get elected. And they were really good fun lies! I think if given half the chance he could be really fun to watch.
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4th January 2023, 02:28 PM	#113
gnome Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,493	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Does this idiot think the Nazis were socialists? There are lots of people on the right, idiocy unexamined, who like to present Nazi Germany an example of what happens when socialists get their way. I hear it quite a lot on mixed forums. Some stuff like this I don't know how sincerely it's believed, as much as it's a flag to wave to recognize each other. It's actually odd to pin down. I mean, they'll say they believe something and not be lying, but have a conspicuous lack of interest in examining how true it is. The best you can say is that they believe it but don't really care if they're wrong.
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4th January 2023, 02:30 PM	#114
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 32,229	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken Well, isn't it in the official Nazi name, the national socialist workers' party? North Korea is also a democratic republic too. Oh, and the Freedom Caucus fights for freedom and rights of all Americans too. The more a country uses the terms "People's", "Socialist", or "Democratic", the less they actually are any of those. The same thing with "Freedom" and "Patriot (or form thereof) with groups.

4th January 2023, 02:44 PM	#115
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,624	He now admits to stealing a checkbook from his Mom's purse, a checkbook that was not hers, and writing fraudulent checks signing the other guy's name. Brazil is going after him. So another lie (like anyone believed him)...."I am not a criminal in any jurisdiction in the world". Dude...! I have long joked about running for office in my Dad's red district as a Republican, but only for the cool pension plan. Maybe that isn't too far-fetched these days. I'd have to lie a lot and say stupid stuff constantly but that might be fun. The Santos guy is truly pathetic. I hope something is done about him besides not sitting next to him in chambers. I hope he is extradited or otherwise forced to go to Brazil and jailed LOL. On a positive note (or maybe this is positive, long term) this is another very bad sign for Republicans, especially if they let this slide. What an embarrassing group of people. Republicans are so separated from reality it's almost comical. Tragically comical. Comically tragical. He's 34. The theft occurred in 2008 when he was 20. He obviously has not changed.
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