Continuation General UK Politics V Suella Strikes Back

[KDLarsen]

Nadine Dorries has done a book and by all appearances it's a riot.

Quote:

Nadine Dorries has claimed in her new book that the Conservatives have been controlled for 20 years by a cabal known as the “movement”, which orchestrated the end of Boris Johnson’s tenure as prime minister.

The former culture secretary has alleged the group consists of levelling up secretary Michael Gove, Johnson’s former chief of staff Dominic Cummings and an adviser called Dougie Smith.

Dorries, a staunch ally of Johnson, said the cabal ousted the former prime minister and also “brought down Iain Duncan Smith as party leader, created havoc for Theresa May and undermined Liz Truss”.

The former MP’s book, The Plot: the Political Assassination, is being serialised in the Mail. According to excerpts in the paper, Dorries wrote that after Johnson made Cummings his chief of staff, the so-called “movement” instigated its plan to replace the prime minister after his December 2019 election victory as he had already served his purpose by winning an 80-seat majority.

The Guardian: Dorries claims Tory cabal called the ‘movement’ brought down Johnson

Continued from http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=366022

Posted By:jimbob

[Gulliver Foyle]

Originally Posted by Andy_Ross

Braverman has formally pitched a ban on tents in urban areas, except on your own land or garden, as well as a fine for charities to stop them giving out tents to homeless people for free.

It's going to be in the new criminal justice bill as part of the new legislation to replace the 1824 Vagrancy Act, which criminalised rough sleeping and begging.

She's the very definition of stupid evil. Pity she's also got no sense of integrity; otherwise she'd self deport, given that her parents fit her definition of illegal economic migrants.

[Pixel42]

Originally Posted by Mojo

Unfortunately we have to wait until the next general election.

[Blackadder] Her resignation and suicide would seem the obvious answer [/Blackadder]

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

She's the very definition of stupid evil.

The trouble is that she and most of the Tory party see this as a selling point.

[Darat]

This myth of Johnson being why they won, the bloke they couldn't let go in front of any more serious journalist than the St Paul's Infants Gazette edited by Sally aged 6? And even she had to be bought off when she stumped him with her first question "Are you my daddy?" Which left Johnson bloviating like a donkey.

[Andy_Ross]

She's going to put on a poppy, bow her head and pontificate about 'sacrifice', 'duty' and 'remembrance'.

How many veterans currently living on the streets will she take tents from because of their 'lifestyle choice'??

[Gulliver Foyle]

Originally Posted by Andy_Ross

She's going to put on a poppy, bow her head and pontificate about 'sacrifice', 'duty' and 'remembrance'.

How many veterans currently living on the streets will she take tents from because of their 'lifestyle choice'??

Her thoughts on sacrifice: "You should all scrifice yourselves to the glory of MEEEEEEEE!"

[zooterkin]

Braverman has apparently said that Remembrance Day is an inappropriate day to march in support of a ceasefire.

[Garrison]

Braverman clearly not a believer in 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it'. Once you accept that a protest should be banned because some people associated with it might say unacceptable things or might cause disorder, well then every protest can be banned, which I suspect is the intention.

[Andy_Ross]

Suella says being homeless is a lifestyle choice and Rishi says people should be comfortable failing and giving up their regular pay cheques.

They're not even bothering anymore.

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by Darat

Translated: Making the place look untidy in Tory constituencies.

It's another thing that I doubt enthuses the right of the party, but is driving a lot of natural Tories away.

It's performative cruelty that probably harms the electoral chances of the Tory party. But probably enhances Braverman's chances in the leadership election when Sunak resigns or is forced to step down.

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by jimbob

It's another thing that I doubt enthuses the right of the party, but is driving a lot of natural Tories away.

It's performative cruelty that probably harms the electoral chances of the Tory party. But probably enhances Braverman's chances in the leadership election when Sunak resigns or is forced to step down.

For example, one of Dad's friends messaged me today with a 38 degrees petition against that. They'd be natural Tories - rural, affluent, retired.

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by zooterkin

Braverman has apparently said that Remembrance Day is an inappropriate day to march in support of a ceasefire.

Sunak (per reports on the Beeb just now) has been saying that the march is close to the Cenotaph and clashes with the usual ceremonials there. Neither of these things is true, according to the organisers of the ceasefire march...Who'd'a'thunk it?

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by Garrison

Braverman clearly not a believer in 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it'. Once you accept that a protest should be banned because some people associated with it might say unacceptable things or might cause disorder, well then every protest can be banned, which I suspect is the intention.

Of course it ******* is.

[Pixel42]

The Observer eviscerates Boris Johnson.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-boris-johnson

[The Don]

British Volt was supposed to be a battery maker that would secure the future of the UK car industry.

Unfortunately they were a bunch of chancers and the company went out of business.

It was bought out by Recharge Industries who, surprise, surprise turn out to be a bunch of chancers who failed to pay the asking price and who haven't paid staff for months.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67312309

This would be bad enough if it were an unimportant company in an irrelevant industry sector but this is supposed to be a nationally important company in a strategically vital industry.

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by Pixel42

The Observer eviscerates Boris Johnson.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-boris-johnson

Not for the first time: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...oid-punishment

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Pixel42

The Observer eviscerates Boris Johnson.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-boris-johnson

And yet the Conservative Party faithful would have him back in a heartbeat or barring that, Nigel Farage

All because "Boris got Brexit done"

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by The Don

British Volt was supposed to be a battery maker that would secure the future of the UK car industry.

Unfortunately they were a bunch of chancers and the company went out of business.

It was bought out by Recharge Industries who, surprise, surprise turn out to be a bunch of chancers who failed to pay the asking price and who haven't paid staff for months.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67312309

This would be bad enough if it were an unimportant company in an irrelevant industry sector but this is supposed to be a nationally important company in a strategically vital industry.

IfbI remember correctly, Carrot Flower King had been particularly scathing about the feasibility of British Volt and the desperation of the local politicians to have a big employer and who misunderstood the near certainty of failure. From the announcement.

[Andy_Ross]

Government officials have drawn up deeply controversial proposals to broaden the definition of extremism to include anyone who “undermines” the country’s institutions and its values, according to documents seen by the Observer.

The new definition, prepared by civil servants working for cabinet minister Michael Gove, is fiercely opposed by a cohort of officials who fear legitimate groups and individuals will be branded extremists.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ning-uk-values

[jimbob]

I bumped into the Labour party parliamentary candidate for my constituency out canvassing with about 10 other Labour activists when I was walking to the shops this morning.

I didn't recognise him as he's relatively new, so I wondered if it was a ward election that I was unaware of, it was in the neighbouring ward to my house, but no, just getting ready for the General Election.

I guess it is a key marginal, with a Tory majority of 590, but even so it's the first time outside of elections that I have seen any parliamentary candidate campaigning - either here, or anywhere else I have lived.

[P.J. Denyer]

Originally Posted by Andy_Ross

Government officials have drawn up deeply controversial proposals to broaden the definition of extremism to include anyone who “undermines” the country’s institutions and its values doesn't read the Daily Mail & vote Conservative, according to documents seen by the Observer.

FTFY

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Andy_Ross

Government officials have drawn up deeply controversial proposals to broaden the definition of extremism to include anyone who “undermines” the country’s institutions and its values, according to documents seen by the Observer.

The new definition, prepared by civil servants working for cabinet minister Michael Gove, is fiercely opposed by a cohort of officials who fear legitimate groups and individuals will be branded extremists.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ning-uk-values

Those seem worrying vague terms.

I expect that such legislation will be used by the Conservatives to at best intimidate, and at worst incarcerate anyone they want to.

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by Andy_Ross

Government officials have drawn up deeply controversial proposals to broaden the definition of extremism to include anyone who “undermines” the country’s institutions and its values, according to documents seen by the Observer.

The new definition, prepared by civil servants working for cabinet minister Michael Gove, is fiercely opposed by a cohort of officials who fear legitimate groups and individuals will be branded extremists.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ning-uk-values

They're going all-out fascist, aren't they?

[Garrison]

Originally Posted by Andy_Ross

Government officials have drawn up deeply controversial proposals to broaden the definition of extremism to include anyone who “undermines” the country’s institutions and its values, according to documents seen by the Observer.

The new definition, prepared by civil servants working for cabinet minister Michael Gove, is fiercely opposed by a cohort of officials who fear legitimate groups and individuals will be branded extremists.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ning-uk-values

That's a feature not a bug. They've undermined the right to protest and now they want to define criticizing the government will be turned into an offence.

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by jimbob

IfbI remember correctly, Carrot Flower King had been particularly scathing about the feasibility of British Volt and the desperation of the local politicians to have a big employer and who misunderstood the near certainty of failure. From the announcement.

Indeed I was.

This latest pile of ordure comes as no surprise.

Really, our council will go along with anything if you walk 3 times widdershins around a pile of yet-to-be-completed planning application forms while chanting "Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!"

Oh, as long as a large (or small) development isn't in certain people's ward, then every reason under the sun will be found why they can't agree.

Not to mention the recent history of things which uncharitable folk might possibly describe as corrupt or criminal - fortunately I am charitable and would never describe the money given to a former chief exec, the shenanigans over unapproved "redundancy" payments into millions of pounds, which apparently can't be recovered, the very strong suggestions of influence-peddling over the Lugano/Dissington Garden Village farrago and a host of other instances are all completely above board in every way, manner or form and any suggestion to the contrary would be, well, it would be, wouldn't it?

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

Indeed I was.

This latest pile of ordure comes as no surprise.

Really, our council will go along with anything if you walk 3 times widdershins around a pile of yet-to-be-completed planning application forms while chanting "Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!"

Oh, as long as a large (or small) development isn't in certain people's ward, then every reason under the sun will be found why they can't agree.

Not to mention the recent history of things which uncharitable folk might possibly describe as corrupt or criminal - fortunately I am charitable and would never describe the money given to a former chief exec, the shenanigans over unapproved "redundancy" payments into millions of pounds, which apparently can't be recovered, the very strong suggestions of influence-peddling over the Lugano/Dissington Garden Village farrago and a host of other instances are all completely above board in every way, manner or form and any suggestion to the contrary would be, well, it would be, wouldn't it?

The comment about politicians to be changed frequently, like nappies* and for similar reasons is true, regardless of party. If one party is unlikely to lose power for decades, it promotes incompetence and patronage.



*"diapers" just doesn't sound right for me to say.

[catsmate]

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

Indeed I was.

This latest pile of ordure comes as no surprise.

Really, our council will go along with anything if you walk 3 times widdershins around a pile of yet-to-be-completed planning application forms while chanting "Jobs! Jobs! Jobs!"

Oh, as long as a large (or small) development isn't in certain people's ward, then every reason under the sun will be found why they can't agree.

Not to mention the recent history of things which uncharitable folk might possibly describe as corrupt or criminal - fortunately I am charitable and would never describe the money given to a former chief exec, the shenanigans over unapproved "redundancy" payments into millions of pounds, which apparently can't be recovered, the very strong suggestions of influence-peddling over the Lugano/Dissington Garden Village farrago and a host of other instances are all completely above board in every way, manner or form and any suggestion to the contrary would be, well, it would be, wouldn't it?

No just your LA, it's endemic in UKGov at all levels. Hence the recent mix of posturing and grovelling exhibited by Sunak at Bletchley.... Pathetic really.

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Originally Posted by zooterkin

Braverman has apparently said that Remembrance Day is an inappropriate day to march in support of a ceasefire.

Would not November 5th have been much better?

[Norman Alexander]

Originally Posted by Andy_Ross

Government officials have drawn up deeply controversial proposals to broaden the definition of extremism to include anyone who “undermines” the country’s institutions and its values, according to documents seen by the Observer.

The new definition, prepared by civil servants working for cabinet minister Michael Gove, is fiercely opposed by a cohort of officials who fear legitimate groups and individuals will be branded extremists.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ning-uk-values

If the proposals were applied properly by the Tories, the first people they would nab is themselves.

[zooterkin]

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

Would not November 5th have been much better?

Remembrance Day is also known as Armistice Day, to highlight the irony of her comments.

[Gulliver Foyle]

Originally Posted by jimbob

I bumped into the Labour party parliamentary candidate for my constituency out canvassing with about 10 other Labour activists when I was walking to the shops this morning.

I didn't recognise him as he's relatively new, so I wondered if it was a ward election that I was unaware of, it was in the neighbouring ward to my house, but no, just getting ready for the General Election.

I guess it is a key marginal, with a Tory majority of 590, but even so it's the first time outside of elections that I have seen any parliamentary candidate campaigning - either here, or anywhere else I have lived.

Is the candidate an imposition from headquarters?

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by zooterkin

Remembrance Day is also known as Armistice Day, to highlight the irony of her comments.

"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!"

[jimbob]

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Is the candidate an imposition from headquarters?

I think not.

https://www.questmedianetwork.co.uk/...didate-chosen/

[Nessie]

The thread title makes it look like a fight between UK politics and Braverman. In a way, that is true, as she is trying to shift UK politics to a hard right of increased intolerance of opposing views and demonisation of the poor. Others are fighting back.

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

She's the very definition of stupid evil. Pity she's also got no sense of integrity; otherwise she'd self deport, given that her parents fit her definition of illegal economic migrants.

No, her Kenyan father had a British passport/citizenship so was not an illegal economic immigrant but a legal one.

ETA: so in effect, Suella Bravermann is lying when she tries to give the impression that her own father himself was a 'refugee' fleeing from persecution. Not true, he was an 18-year-old who thought, hey, I have a British passport, I'll use it. Nothing wrong with that, it is the misperception that 'my parents were asylum seekers who went about things in the correct way' that is untrue.

[Vixen]

It's understandable the government is embarrassed about the visible homelessness in its streets (what will the tourist think when normally, when Brits go abroad, they marvel at the poverty of other countries) and is homelessness Bravermann's remit anyway...? The problem won't go away by persecuting them. They already are subject to being moved on by the police to a life of misery, early death and mental health breakdown.

In Finland, admittedly the most sparsely populated country in the EU (per head/sq km) with enormous space, any homeless person can claim the right to accommodation. There will always be a few independent souls who prefer an itinerant life. They don't get their own apartment straight away, necessarily, although, when they do they are free to carry on drinking to their heart's content if that is what they want to do and no-one will demand they become sober. Many get overnight hostel accommodation. The downside is, they have to be out during the day as it they are overnight shelter only. So the iteinerant population then spends their days - in winter at least - in the shopping centres or libraries.

The UK problem arises from the cessation of local authority housing building of social affordable housing, the no-fault Section 21 eviction that allows landlords to evict tenants for no reason within 60 days, the spirally costs of mortgage interest rates that encourage landlords to sell up, thus forcing tenants out. This disproportionately affects the younger lower paid single person who won't be first in the queue for housing or benefits and who are more able to 'doss'.

Bravermann calling it a 'life-style choice' highlights her nasty cynical attitude towards society's disadvantaged, given that politicians are supposed to be there for the greater good and helping the people whom they are supposed to represent.

[Vixen]

It is utterly disgraceful and abhorrent IMV that anyone should consider causing a disruptive demonstration on Remembrance Sunday. This is to do with remembering those who fought and lay down their lives or were maimed for the UK to be the free country it is today. As it is still within living memory for many families it is despicable that police will be expected to be out in force to monitor rival groups of vociferous pro-Palestinian demonstrators versus hard-right fascist National Front/EDF/BNP ones when the focus should be on a respectful remembrance.

[Vixen]

As for Nadine Dorries, her public infatuation with Boris Johnson is so embarrassing, no-one can take her seriously. However, IMV she does have a point about being passed over for a peerage to the House of Lords. Johnson had (disgracefully) put her and quite a few others forward (including his own daughter???!!!) so if Prime Minister Sunak is going to approve the others together with the HoL committee bods but strike out Dorries (who was, after all, a working MP and a member of the Cabinet), it seems terribly unfair to have left Dorries out and I think she is right to kick up a stink about it. Maybe Boris lied to her when he said she was on his list.

[GlennB]

Originally Posted by Vixen

It is utterly disgraceful and abhorrent IMV that anyone should consider causing a disruptive demonstration on Remembrance Sunday. This is to do with remembering those who fought and lay down their lives or were maimed for the UK to be the free country it is today. As it is still within living memory for many families it is despicable that police will be expected to be out in force to monitor rival groups of vociferous pro-Palestinian demonstrators versus hard-right fascist National Front/EDF/BNP ones when the focus should be on a respectful remembrance.

The protest is scheduled for Armistice Day, which is the Saturday.