Continuation General UK Politics V Suella Strikes Back

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Nessie

Suella strikes back

https://twitter.com/SuellaBraverman/...65401982070914

She accuses Sunak of weakness and breaking promises.

I read their last manifesto and there was no mention of them "putting aside" or "blocking" the ECHR and human rights legislation.

[Carrot Flower King]

Ouch, Rish! I could feel the burn all the way up here (y'know, Rish!, the bit you think is Scotland?).

There, there, never mind.

[Andy_Ross]

Nigel Farage has emailed his supporters, urging them to download the I’m a Celeb app and vote for him.
“The Brexit referendum was now a long time ago, and a lot of younger voters don’t know who I am or what I stand for. This is an opportunity to reach them”.

[Andy_Ross]

A friend of mine is helping Suella Braverman update her C.V.

With 'Gruppenfuhrer', is it 'der', 'die' or 'das'?

[P.J. Denyer]

Originally Posted by Andy_Ross

A friend of mine is helping Suella Braverman update her C.V.

With 'Gruppenfuhrer', is it 'der', 'die' or 'das'?

It depends on context, if it's regarding an asylum seeker she'll go with "die".

[Vixen]

I remain convinced Suella has a 'think tank' team pulling her strings - notice her recent makeover, long flowing hair, stylish clothing - but her letter did her no favours. It revealed her as a calculating, cunning, vindictive person who is also cruel on a personal level. The way she laid into Rish! saying he had no balls and was totally useless, when in fact, he showed strength of character in resisting her brand of cruelty. For example, refusing to insert a 'notwithstanding clause' into the Illegal Immigration Act, meaning the government has a get-out clause should it be breaking international law and refusing to include her heartless making charities giving tents to the homeless illegal. Braverman in common with some of her colleagues has been to the USA and no doubt has been filled with the Steve Bannon Trump-style civil conflict rousing ideas which caused her to openly encourage civil disobedience at the Cenotaph under the pretext of being anti-antisemitic. Braverman's speech at this US think tank conference included 'mutliculturalism has failed' which angered Sunak as at the Tory Conference he said the oppisite, about how he and his family have been embraced by British culture.

Yes, Sunak lacks leadership skills IMV but at least he is not a complete sociopath as is Braverman, so all credit to his more human, if weak, persona. He played a blinder in bringing in Cameron ahead of her sacking as she really thought she had him in the palm of her hand with her 'agreement pact' (in writing!). Her behaviour is little different from a vicious blackmailer who, on failing to deliver the ransom demanded, releases the 'highly embarrassing' information they claim to be holding against you. Blackmail is a criminal offence for the very reason it is perceived as abominable behaviour by the average decent person.

Suella has really shown her true colours with her vicious 'exposure' of Sunak's pact. But in fact, it has backfired as it shows him to be resistant to the type of cruelty she revels in and is a credit mark to him that he fired her sorry arse anyway. She underestimated him.

Oh, and Sewerla, never send a letter written in anger as it will read like comedy gold.

[malbui]

Originally Posted by Andy_Ross

A friend of mine is helping Suella Braverman update her C.V.

With 'Gruppenfuhrer', is it 'der', 'die' or 'das'?

All compound words ending in -führer are masculine.

There would exist a female form of the title, die Führerin, but I would expect a German-speaking Cruella to consider it impossibly woke to use such forms.

[Andy_Ross]

Rachel Reeves, "Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak allowed billions to be stolen in covid loan fraud, can we get the taxpayer money back?"

Jeremy Hunt, "We've got back £1.6 billion"

RR, "Covid fraud losses are £7.2 billion. And £8.7 billion is bring written off in pandemic PPE contracts. Can we get both back for taxpayers?"

JH, "We helped the country during covid"

[Norman Alexander]

Originally Posted by Andy_Ross

A friend of mine is helping Suella Braverman update her C.V.

With 'Gruppenfuhrer', is it 'der', 'die' or 'das'?

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

It depends on context, if it's regarding an asylum seeker she'll go with "die".

I was thinking either "Herr" or "Mein".

[Norman Alexander]

Originally Posted by Andy_Ross

Nigel Farage has emailed his supporters, urging them to download the I’m a Celeb app and vote for him.
“The Brexit referendum was now a long time ago, and a lot of younger voters don’t know who I am or what I stand for. This is an opportunity to reach them”.

Jesus, just vote the frog-mouthed ****** out of our jungle on Day 1. We have enough trouble with one invasive pest called a cane toad. We don't need him as well.

[P.J. Denyer]

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Jesus, just vote the frog-mouthed ****** out of our jungle on Day 1. We have enough trouble with one invasive pest called a cane toad. We don't need him as well.

Oh dear god, imagine if they crossbred!!

[zooterkin]

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

Oh dear god, imagine if they crossbred!!

I think even cane toads have standards.

[Andy_Ross]

New environment minister Steve Barclay is married to an executive of Anglian Water.

[P.J. Denyer]

Originally Posted by zooterkin

I think even cane toads have standards.

Is it sugar cane? Accidents happen, cane ferments & next morning some poor lady frog wakes up with a hangover & a feeling of deep self loathing

[Andy_Ross]

Why do the Times and The Telegraph refer to her letter as a ‘resignation letter’? She was sacked.

Again!

GMB just referred to it as her retirement letter!

[jimbob]

May I just say that I I'm feeling quite pleased with my choice of title for this continuation thread.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Andy_Ross

Why do the Times and The Telegraph refer to her letter as a ‘resignation letter’? She was sacked.

Again!

GMB just referred to it as her retirement letter!

Common parlance for higher-level execs. Came into practice so bonuses and other perks weren't lost when sacked. Boards often vote this way out of self-interest.

In politics it was a resignation because people were expected to resign when naughtiness or complete inaptitude was discovered, well really came to the publics notice, if they managed to keep it behind closed doors it was fine. This was challenged a lot in the Thatcher years and by the time of Cameron's leadership was pretty much a thing of the past, shame being surgically removed from most younger politicians.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by jimbob

May I just say that I I'm feeling quite pleased with my choice of title for this continuation thread.

One has wondered if the son of a certain lettuce may make a comeback as well.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Andy_Ross

New environment minister Steve Barclay is married to an executive of Anglian Water.

Again is well connected to better understand the industry, it's the Tory's way.

[P.J. Denyer]

Originally Posted by Darat

Again is well connected to better understand the industry, it's the Tory's way.

I hate irregular verbs

He is leveraging his business experience during a national emergency
She is the expressing the concerns of the jockey club
They were on a two week all expenses paid fact finding mission
You are in the pockets of your union paymasters

[Andy_Ross]

So in Sunak's new Cabinet we have:

Environment Sec married to the exec of dumping water firm
Health Sec in charge of obesity married to CEO of major sugar firm
Foreign Sec tainted by Greensill lobbying scandal & isn't even an MP

That new minister for common sense has her work cut out.

[Wudang]

In my experience "common sense" is either one or the other not both.

[Pixel42]

UK government's plan to send illegal immigrants to Rwanda ruled illegal.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Pixel42

UK government's plan to send illegal immigrants to Rwanda ruled illegal.

[BSM Williams]Oh dear, how sad, never mind[/BSM Williams]

Sadly I fear this will not be the end of it and they'll try again with small changes.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by The Don

[BSM Williams]Oh dear, how sad, never mind[/BSM Williams]

Sadly I fear this will not be the end of it and they'll try again with small changes.

Of course.

And equally of course - they are using the term "illegal migrants" to refer to asylum seekers as well. Asylum seekers are not illegal migrants.

[Worm]

Almost certainly. From my reading, the ruling didn't say that sending illegal immigrants to Rwanda (or other third countries) was overall illegal, but that specifically the arrangements with Rwanda didn't adequetly protect against the possibilty of immigrants being sent back to their 'home' country to face exactly the circumstances they were tryiong to escape.

So I fully expect the UK Gov to come back with revised plans and revised arrangements that they claim protect against such eventualities.

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by jimbob

May I just say that I I'm feeling quite pleased with my choice of title for this continuation thread.

I have a trumpet here you can borrow.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Worm

Almost certainly. From my reading, the ruling didn't say that sending illegal immigrants to Rwanda (or other third countries) was overall illegal, but that specifically the arrangements with Rwanda didn't adequetly protect against the possibilty of immigrants being sent back to their 'home' country to face exactly the circumstances they were tryiong to escape.

So I fully expect the UK Gov to come back with revised plans and revised arrangements that they claim protect against such eventualities.

Please, please - not illegal immigrants or immigrants - asylum seekers. Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants.

[MarkCorrigan]

I wonder what kind of "wokery" the new Minister for Being a Reactionary Twat Common Sense will be combating?

[Darat]

Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan

I wonder what kind of "wokery" the new Minister for Being a Reactionary Twat Common Sense will be combating?

I assume given the topicality she will be on the phone i.e. sending Whatsapp messages to the PM and ministers reminding them that asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants and they shouldn't be mixing up the two different groups as that causes confusion.

[Gulliver Foyle]

Originally Posted by Andy_Ross

A friend of mine is helping Suella Braverman update her C.V.

With 'Gruppenfuhrer', is it 'der', 'die' or 'das'?

For SueAdolf the rank is unterfrau.

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by Pixel42

UK government's plan to send illegal immigrants to Rwanda ruled illegal.

Rwanda was a very stupid idea anyway.

Braverman seems to have harboured under several misconceptions. One, that she had absolute power. She only had to have a dream and people had to jump to it to make it come true. Secondly, that she has a handle on British culture. She believes the British to be inherently rabidly racist and nasty so she thought she only had to throw red meat to this misconception and lo and behold it would bring her to great power. Being stupendously stupid and lacking any insight, Braverman couldn't see that racism was a product of generations of working class poverty and suffering, despite being the people who did all the real work, building roads, staffing hospitals, providing recruits to the police and the army, the people with pneumatic drills repairing the roads, the people manning the supermarket cash registers, seeing newcomers (such as Braverman's and Sunak's parents, perhaps..?) having nicer cars and homes, a kind of class envy of he type of resentment people feel when you suspect that new member of staff is on a better salary than you and wait, they have a fancier job title, despite you having been there longer and believe yourself better qualified.

Sweller badly misunderstood the British working classes, thinking she only had to spout National Front rhetoric and people would be eating out of her hand. She knew the elite ruling class judiciary were unlikely to see her plans to send refugees to Rwanda (who under her Bill would be ipso facto 'illegal' for even trying to come to the UK) ergo the need to insert a 'notwithstanding clause', to override this objection, and which Sunak refused to support.

Braverman's solution, to ignore the law, withdraw from the ECHR and probably, failing that, attempt to gag the judiciary as 'traitors' per DAILY MAIL encouragement.

Time for the Bar Standard to bring disciplinary proceedings against Suella KC MP, perhaps, in her flagrant contempt for the courts.

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by The Don

[BSM Williams]Oh dear, how sad, never mind[/BSM Williams]

Sadly I fear this will not be the end of it and they'll try again with small changes.

Or even Jeremy Clarkson:

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I AGREE

https://youtu.be/6pc0u-iqIDw?si=H2tHLrqvGJPlUXT_

I disagree. Rwanda was very much Suella Braverman's project, Sunak is less than impressed with her - probably now hates her - so dead in the water.

[Worm]

Soemtiumes reading the detail of these judgements can be amusing

"The Secretary of State advances a somewhat surprising argument..."

"the past and the present cannot be effectively ignored or sidelined as the Secretary of State suggests."

[Andy_Ross]

Interesting legal precedent from the Deputy Chair of The Conservative Party.
Just ignore the laws you don't like.

"Put the planes in the air. Ignore the laws and send them straight back"

[Andy_Ross]

Simon Clarke(Tory MP) on the news

"The human rights framework is going to have to change rather than the Rwanda policy."

[GlennB]

Originally Posted by Vixen

...

I disagree. Rwanda was very much Suella Braverman's project, Sunak is less than impressed with her - probably now hates her - so dead in the water.

I thought it was Johnson + Patel's baby?

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by GlennB

I thought it was Johnson + Patel's baby?

Think again:

Quote:

Home secretary Suella Braverman has been accused of failing to formally disclose links to a charity that trained lawyers in Rwanda.

Braverman co-founded the Africa Justice Foundation (AJF) in 2010 and used to chair the charity, which trained lawyers in sub-Saharan African countries.

Civil Society

Certain individual's have a great deal invested in this.

Predictably, Prime Minister Sunk has a knee jerk reaction to the Supreme Court ruling and has announced a press conference at 04:45pm. Final death throes rattling IMV.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by GlennB

I thought it was Johnson + Patel's baby?

Throws up a little in his mouth.....

[jeremyp]

Originally Posted by catsmate

There's also the seven million he acquired from Greensill Capital. Plus the moral cowardice that triggered the Brexit debacle. Oh and the dodgy expenses.

A breath of fresh air compared to the mob that followed him.

This government is not going until the next general election. That could be as late as January 2025. In the meantime, having one adult in the room is a good thing, even if he's a fairly shady adult.