2024 Election Thread

The Atheist · 5th November 2023, 12:43 PM

Hilarious news today:

Quote:

Trump Leads Biden In 5 Swing States, Per New Polls

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/new-p...b01b2585841f77

Ok, so polling hasn't been very accurate lately, but the Dems should be ******** their pants right now - Biden is too old and doddery, and I think you're going to get another 4 years of Donald J Trump as president. The picture in that article screams that Biden should be in aged care, not the White House. Trump will make him look positively geriatric in the debates.

This time around he'll be out of the gates like a greyhound - he knows how the game works and will be full of hateful energy to start dispensing from day 1.

Dr.Sid · 5th November 2023, 12:53 PM

Well .. republican lack of plan B is only outmatched by democratic lack of plan B.

Brainster · 5th November 2023, 12:58 PM

This is starting to sound like 1980 again, but unfortunately Donald Trump isn't Ronald Reagan.

Mike! · 5th November 2023, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Hilarious news today:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/new-p...b01b2585841f77

Ok, so polling hasn't been very accurate lately, but the Dems should be ******** their pants right now - Biden is too old and doddery, and I think you're going to get another 4 years of Donald J Trump as president. The picture in that article screams that Biden should be in aged care, not the White House. Trump will make him look positively geriatric in the debates.

This time around he'll be out of the gates like a greyhound - he knows how the game works and will be full of hateful energy to start dispensing from day 1.

What makes you think Trump will debate Biden? He hasn't shown any interest in debating any Republicans this round, my guess is, he won't debate Biden when the time comes either. He knows he has nothing to gain showing the world how outright stupid he is on most any subject that might arise in a debate scenario.

Regnad Kcin · 5th November 2023, 01:07 PM

Dismiss them or not, the polls are frightening and nauseating.

Skeptic Ginger · 5th November 2023, 02:37 PM

People are so impatient. This is from the AG in NY case against Trump thread:

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

"Conservative" Attorney George Conway says Trump is finished in New York State.

'Death blow': George Conway on NY civil fraud trial and Trump's businessman image 'crashing down'

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I AGREE

It's great for Trump's fundraising. And there are a significant number of idiots who believe it's all the deep state, whatever. But when he loses the ability to do business in NY, and even if there are months or years of appeals, I would think his properties there would be in receivership until he wins an appeal. And that drains all the money he has left in legal fees. How long are those people he grifts off of going to keep sending in their money for his legal fees?

Campaign ads can say he showed a magazine as proof he was a billionaire. The ads can show what a fraud he is. And that's not even getting into his retribution statements or how dangerous he is.

All these polls are well before anyone is campaigning against Trump.

And as for Biden, for every little gaffe he makes, there is more than enough footage of Trump's senile gaffes to compare it to.

sir drinks-a-lot · 5th November 2023, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

The picture in that article screams that Biden should be in aged care, not the White House. Trump will make him look positively geriatric in the debates.

Biden is only 3 years older than Trump, although it doesn't seem like it. Trump has definitely lost a step since his younger days, but Biden has lost a lot more.

I still don't think Biden will be the candidate for the Dems.

sir drinks-a-lot · 5th November 2023, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Mike!

What makes you think Trump will debate Biden? He hasn't shown any interest in debating any Republicans this round, my guess is, he won't debate Biden when the time comes either. He knows he has nothing to gain showing the world how outright stupid he is on most any subject that might arise in a debate scenario.

Trump debated Biden last time, didn't he?

If I were a Biden backer, I'd be much more worried about him on a debate stage than Trump.

The Atheist · 5th November 2023, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Dr.Sid

Well .. republican lack of plan B is only outmatched by democratic lack of plan B A.

FTFY

Originally Posted by Mike!

What makes you think Trump will debate Biden?

Because even a moron like Trump will realise there's mileage in putting Biden in front of cameras unscripted. Facts don't matter, opinions do, and it's clear the opinion of Biden is that he's senile.

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

And as for Biden, for every little gaffe he makes, there is more than enough footage of Trump's senile gaffes to compare it to.

The difference being, Trump voters forgive his gaffes and latch onto Biden's.

Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot

Biden is only 3 years older than Trump, although it doesn't seem like it. Trump has definitely lost a step since his younger days, but Biden has lost a lot more.

I still don't think Biden will be the candidate for the Dems.

They've painted themselves into a corner yet again where these isn't an alternative other than him dropping dead, and Harris loses no matter what.

Armitage72 · 5th November 2023, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

The difference being, Trump voters forgive his gaffes and latch onto Biden's.

It's kind of like how people mock the time President Obama pronounced "corps" as "corpse" over, and over, and over, and over, because it's pretty much the only thing they can think of, while ignoring everything that Trump has said wrong.
(I just saw someone do it a couple days ago, so it's fresh in my mind.)

dann · 5th November 2023, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

This is starting to sound like 1980 again, but unfortunately Donald Trump isn't Ronald Reagan.

Dead?!

Stacyhs · 5th November 2023, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

FTFY

Because even a moron like Trump will realise there's mileage in putting Biden in front of cameras unscripted. Facts don't matter, opinions do, and it's clear the opinion of Biden is that he's senile.

I'd say it's far more dangerous to put an unscripted Trump in front of cameras as evidenced by his inability to talk about anything other than how the election was stolen from him, he's a victim of witch hunts and the most persecuted person in history. Recently, he thanked a crowd for coming out in S. Dakota...when he was in Iowa. He said he was ahead of Obama in election polls, we might get into WW2, said Viktor Orban was the PM of Turkey, has repeatedly pronounced Hamas as "hummus", he confused Jeb Bush with George W. Bush, and has told MAGA rally attendees "not to vote".

He told his MAGA rally attendees that "the people who are pouring into our country are, in many cases, the same people who just attacked Israel." REALLY? Hamas is pouring into our country?

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The difference being, Trump voters forgive his gaffes and latch onto Biden's.

The difference being that even those who should be supporting Biden, since he's going to be the Dem nominee whether you like it or not, are bashing him and calling him senile. Trump voters latch onto that.

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They've painted themselves into a corner yet again where these isn't an alternative other than him dropping dead, and Harris loses no matter what.

That paint brush you're holding certainly doesn't help anyone but Trump.

Stacyhs · 5th November 2023, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

It's kind of like how people mock the time President Obama pronounced "corps" as "corpse" over, and over, and over, and over, because it's pretty much the only thing they can think of, while ignoring everything that Trump has said wrong.
(I just saw someone do it a couple days ago, so it's fresh in my mind.)

Trump keeps pronouncing Hamas as 'hummus'.

He also said that "the people who are pouring into our country are, in many cases, the same people who just attacked Israel." He just makes crap up as he talks.

sackett · 5th November 2023, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by dann

Dead?!

lot about the Grimy Old Party that the days of -- Jesus! Ronnie Rotgut! -- are a golden age.

Apathia · 5th November 2023, 05:50 PM

She's Ba-ack!

https://marianne2024.com/

(Don't complain about me posting a link. You don't have to click on it to get the gist.)

(All you need is love. Love is all you need.)

Glunn11 · 5th November 2023, 05:51 PM

It's a testament to the strength of our nation that the only thing that will stop it from being these two AGAIN are death or taxes.

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Dr.Sid · 5th November 2023, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Glunn11

It's a testament to the strength of our nation that the only thing that will stop it from being these two AGAIN are death or taxes.

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Ah, good one ! Let's hope.

dirtywick · 5th November 2023, 06:21 PM

i'm not convinced trump buried in felony lawsuits in multiple states with a hodge podge of underqualified lawyers that are in way over their heads can run a functional campaign with the d-listers he has left. i think him and the GOP in general are going to have a lot of funding problems as well

a_unique_person · 5th November 2023, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

This is starting to sound like 1980 again, but unfortunately Donald Trump isn't Ronald Reagan.

The Dems should have thought ahead before they selected Biden for the last election. For me, Biden vs Trump is a no brainer. For others, maybe not so obvious.

Armitage72 · 5th November 2023, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

He told his MAGA rally attendees that "the people who are pouring into our country are, in many cases, the same people who just attacked Israel." REALLY? Hamas is pouring into our country?

He meant they're all brown. That's what's important to his supporters.

sir drinks-a-lot · 5th November 2023, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by dirtywick

i'm not convinced trump buried in felony lawsuits in multiple states with a hodge podge of underqualified lawyers that are in way over their heads can run a functional campaign with the d-listers he has left. i think him and the GOP in general are going to have a lot of funding problems as well

I don't think he really has to do that much. Everyone already knows who he is, and he's doing well in the polls. What kind of "functional campaigning" does he have to do?

MarkCorrigan · 5th November 2023, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by Apathia

She's Ba-ack!

https://marianne2024.com/

(Don't complain about me posting a link. You don't have to click on it to get the gist.)

(All you need is love. Love is all you need.)

She actually seems to mostly hold reasonable opinions from what it says in a brief scan of her site. I'm guessing she's a nutjob though?

dirtywick · 5th November 2023, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot

I don't think he really has to do that much. Everyone already knows who he is, and he's doing well in the polls. What kind of "functional campaigning" does he have to do?

well i guess you're right, presidential campaigns pretty much run themselves

Skeptic Ginger · 5th November 2023, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

... The difference being, Trump voters ~~forgive~~ [are blind to] his gaffes and latch onto Biden's. ...

FTFY

They aren't forgiving Trump's gaffes anymore than they 'forgive' his 3 marriages, grab 'em by the pussy, his being hell-bent on revenge or any other fault Trump has. They are in denial.

He brags about accomplishments he never accomplished, he pretends to love and read the Bible, you name it, the cult followers are in denial. Watch any of Jordan Klepper's Finger's the Pulse to see what these idiots actually believe. It's not about rational 'forgiveness'.

Stacyhs · 5th November 2023, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

FTFY

They aren't forgiving Trump's gaffes anymore than they 'forgive' his 3 marriages, grab 'em by the pussy, his being hell-bent on revenge or any other fault Trump has. They are in denial.

He brags about accomplishments he never accomplished, he pretends to love and read the Bible, you name it, the cult followers are in denial. Watch any of Jordan Klepper's Finger's the Pulse to see what these idiots actually believe. It's not about rational 'forgiveness'.

Exactly. His idiot followers are in deep denial.

Hercules56 · 5th November 2023, 07:07 PM

Biden's only hope is that Trump will be convicted and sent to Federal prison by the time the election comes around.

Dr.Sid · 5th November 2023, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Biden's only hope is that Trump will be convicted and sent to Federal prison by the time the election comes around.

That won't happen soon enough, and it might not be enough.

Hercules56 · 5th November 2023, 07:13 PM

There are a lot of good Democrat Governors out there who could easily and quickly fill in for Biden. I hope the Dems don't realize this too late.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tate_governors

Norman Alexander · 5th November 2023, 07:24 PM

The Dems would be wise to have Biden nominate a personable and intelligent and likeable successor to run for 2024. There seem to be a bunch of up-and-comers who would give the GOP a good kick up the butt, and Trump a public slapping across the face Will Smith style.

Joe can say he is "now concentrating on his personal businesses and family," and retire into the wings gracefully. Frankly, I think he should, sooner rather than later.

smartcooky · 5th November 2023, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

People are so impatient. This is from the AG in NY case against Trump thread:

It's great for Trump's fundraising. And there are a significant number of idiots who believe it's all the deep state, whatever. But when he loses the ability to do business in NY, and even if there are months or years of appeals, I would think his properties there would be in receivership until he wins an appeal. And that drains all the money he has left in legal fees. How long are those people he grifts off of going to keep sending in their money for his legal fees?

Campaign ads can say he showed a magazine as proof he was a billionaire. The ads can show what a fraud he is. And that's not even getting into his retribution statements or how dangerous he is.

All these polls are well before anyone is campaigning against Trump.

And as for Biden, for every little gaffe he makes, there is more than enough footage of Trump's senile gaffes to compare it to.

Interesting that George Conway says Mar a Lardo is owned by a number of The Fat Orange Turd's New York based LLC's. If so, it is likely to fall under the purview of Judge Engeron, and if he rules for disgorgement, FOTUS could lose his pride and joy.

That would be delicious!

sir drinks-a-lot · 5th November 2023, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

He brags about accomplishments he never accomplished...

Yeah, there are quite a few examples of this:

he attended law school at Syracuse University on a full academic scholarship
he had graduated from Delaware with three undergraduate degrees
he used to drive an 18-wheeler
he was the first in his family to attend college
he traveled to Konar Province in Afghanistan to pin a Silver Star on a Navy captain
he was appointed to the Naval Academy in 1965
he was invited by Prime Minister Golda Meir to serve as a liaison during Israel’s Six-Day War.
he had been named the outstanding student in the political science department as an undergraduate at the University of Delaware
he was a professor at the University of Pennsylvania
he helped to desegregate restaurants and movie theaters during the civil rights movement
he visited Iraq and Afghanistan 30-50 times
he traveled 17,000 miles with Xi Jinping
he was endorsed by the NAACP

ETA: Whoops, I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about Joe Biden.

Stacyhs · 5th November 2023, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

The Dems would be wise to have Biden nominate a personable and intelligent and likeable successor to run for 2024. There seem to be a bunch of up-and-comers who would give the GOP a good kick up the butt, and Trump a public slapping across the face Will Smith style.

Joe can say he is "now concentrating on his personal businesses and family," and retire into the wings gracefully. Frankly, I think he should, sooner rather than later.

Who?

smartcooky · 5th November 2023, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

There are a lot of good Democrat Governors out there who could easily and quickly fill in for Biden. I hope the Dems don't realize this too late.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tate_governors

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

The Dems would be wise to have Biden nominate a personable and intelligent and likeable successor to run for 2024. There seem to be a bunch of up-and-comers who would give the GOP a good kick up the butt, and Trump a public slapping across the face Will Smith style.

Joe can say he is "now concentrating on his personal businesses and family," and retire into the wings gracefully. Frankly, I think he should, sooner rather than later.

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Who?

Gavin Newsom?

The Atheist · 5th November 2023, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I'd say it's far more dangerous to put an unscripted Trump in front of cameras as evidenced by his inability to talk about anything other than how the election was stolen from him, he's a victim of witch hunts and the most persecuted person in history...

That's probably why his polling numbers are so terrible.

Oh, wait...

In fact, the more idiotic things he says, the more they like him. I would have expected that to be obvious by now. The things he did on the campaign trail in 2016 were unforgivable, and he won comfortably. Why do you think things are going to change now?

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

The difference being that even those who should be supporting Biden, since he's going to be the Dem nominee whether you like it or not, are bashing him and calling him senile. Trump voters latch onto that.

Be aware that I have no dog in this fight - I'm able to look at it as a casual observer. You're quite right that people who should be supporting Biden are calling him senile, though. How do you think that's going to play out?

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

That paint brush you're holding certainly doesn't help anyone but Trump.

That was my point - he's winning and Biden's losing. In a sane world, Trump would be polling in single digits. He's not.

Originally Posted by Apathia

She's Ba-ack!

https://marianne2024.com/

Smart move if you ask me. In a field of nutjobs, she's right at home.

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

FTFY

They aren't forgiving Trump's gaffes anymore than they 'forgive' his 3 marriages, grab 'em by the pussy, his being hell-bent on revenge or any other fault Trump has. They are in denial.

Denial/forgive, whichever you like.

The end result is the same - Biden is struggling to hold support and the orange toad is building towards victory. The polling numbers may well be inaccurate, but there's a trend of Trump increasing his support and Biden losing his. If that trend isn't reversed, Trump will win in a landslide.

Originally Posted by Hercules56

There are a lot of good Democrat Governors out there who could easily and quickly fill in for Biden. I hope the Dems don't realize this too late.

It's already too late. Just as they hung their hopes on a certain loser in 2016, they're doing the same again.

Skeptic Ginger · 5th November 2023, 08:16 PM

Fix your quote codes, TA, you've blurred my words with yours.

lobosrul5 · 5th November 2023, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Mike!

What makes you think Trump will debate Biden? He hasn't shown any interest in debating any Republicans this round, my guess is, he won't debate Biden when the time comes either. He knows he has nothing to gain showing the world how outright stupid he is on most any subject that might arise in a debate scenario.

I don't think Biden should debate Trump actually.

bigred · 5th November 2023, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

It's kind of like how people mock the time President Obama pronounced "corps" as "corpse" over, and over, and over, and over, because it's pretty much the only thing they can think of

...or the time McCain was ripped for being "too old" for the presidency when he ran, because it's pretty much the only thing they could think of. But no such concerns arose with Biden of course.

Two sides of the same idiotic coin. Rational thought has no place in politics and extremists are by definition idiots, regardless of which side they are on.

Apathia · 5th November 2023, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by MarkCorrigan

She actually seems to mostly hold reasonable opinions from what it says in a brief scan of her site. I'm guessing she's a nutjob though?

She's more New Age platitude than practical policy.
But I'd take her over RFKjr.
(in spite of her anti-vax history)

Norman Alexander · 5th November 2023, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

I don't think Biden should debate Trump actually.

Nobody should debate with Trump. Trump doesn't debate, he doesn't listen, he doesn't take his turn, he doesn't follow the agreed rules, he is just plain bullying rude and he just talks over everyone all the time. The only way he believes how to win is to be the narcissistic turd in the punch-bowl and ruin the debate, not make points or argument.

So everyone on both sides, and all the mainstream TV channels, should just ignore any attempt to engage with him in any debate-like situation, even if their event is utterly contrived and stage-managed for public consumption.

It's never a debate with Trump, it's a chance for him to have snarky interruption fest and get the focus on himself. It would be a loudmouth game of pigeon-chess, with the pigeon taking selfies while he tossed the board.

Darat · 6th November 2023, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I'd say it's far more dangerous to put an unscripted Trump in front of cameras as evidenced by his inability to talk about anything other than how the election was stolen from him, he's a victim of witch hunts and the most persecuted person in history...

That's probably why his polling numbers are so terrible.

Oh, wait...

In fact, the more idiotic things he says, the more they like him. I would have expected that to be obvious by now. The things he did on the campaign trail in 2016 were unforgivable, and he won comfortably. Why do you think things are going to change now?

Be aware that I have no dog in this fight - I'm able to look at it as a casual observer. You're quite right that people who should be supporting Biden are calling him senile, though. How do you think that's going to play out?

That was my point - he's winning and Biden's losing. In a sane world, Trump would be polling in single digits. He's not.

Smart move if you ask me. In a field of nutjobs, she's right at home.

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

FTFY

They aren't forgiving Trump's gaffes anymore than they 'forgive' his 3 marriages, grab 'em by the pussy, his being hell-bent on revenge or any other fault Trump has. They are in denial.

Denial/forgive, whichever you like.

The end result is the same - Biden is struggling to hold support and the orange toad is building towards victory. The polling numbers may well be inaccurate, but there's a trend of Trump increasing his support and Biden losing his. If that trend isn't reversed, Trump will win in a landslide.

It's already too late. Just as they hung their hopes on a certain loser in 2016, they're doing the same again.

A loser who beat Trump last time when Trump had all the advantage.

5th November 2023, 12:43 PM	#1
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 34,492	2024 Election Thread Hilarious news today: Quote: Trump Leads Biden In 5 Swing States, Per New Polls https://www.huffpost.com/entry/new-p...b01b2585841f77 Ok, so polling hasn't been very accurate lately, but the Dems should be ******** their pants right now - Biden is too old and doddery, and I think you're going to get another 4 years of Donald J Trump as president. The picture in that article screams that Biden should be in aged care, not the White House. Trump will make him look positively geriatric in the debates. This time around he'll be out of the gates like a greyhound - he knows how the game works and will be full of hateful energy to start dispensing from day 1.
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5th November 2023, 12:58 PM	#3
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5th November 2023, 01:00 PM	#4
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 52,011	Originally Posted by The Atheist Hilarious news today: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/new-p...b01b2585841f77 Ok, so polling hasn't been very accurate lately, but the Dems should be ******** their pants right now - Biden is too old and doddery, and I think you're going to get another 4 years of Donald J Trump as president. The picture in that article screams that Biden should be in aged care, not the White House. Trump will make him look positively geriatric in the debates. This time around he'll be out of the gates like a greyhound - he knows how the game works and will be full of hateful energy to start dispensing from day 1. What makes you think Trump will debate Biden? He hasn't shown any interest in debating any Republicans this round, my guess is, he won't debate Biden when the time comes either. He knows he has nothing to gain showing the world how outright stupid he is on most any subject that might arise in a debate scenario.
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5th November 2023, 01:07 PM	#5
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5th November 2023, 02:47 PM	#7
sir drinks-a-lot Philosopher Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cole Valley, CA Posts: 5,250	Originally Posted by The Atheist The picture in that article screams that Biden should be in aged care, not the White House. Trump will make him look positively geriatric in the debates. Biden is only 3 years older than Trump, although it doesn't seem like it. Trump has definitely lost a step since his younger days, but Biden has lost a lot more. I still don't think Biden will be the candidate for the Dems.
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5th November 2023, 12:53 PM	#2
Dr.Sid Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Olomouc, Czech Republic Posts: 4,569	Well .. republican lack of plan B is only outmatched by democratic lack of plan B.

5th November 2023, 02:49 PM	#8
sir drinks-a-lot Philosopher Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cole Valley, CA Posts: 5,250	Originally Posted by Mike! What makes you think Trump will debate Biden? He hasn't shown any interest in debating any Republicans this round, my guess is, he won't debate Biden when the time comes either. He knows he has nothing to gain showing the world how outright stupid he is on most any subject that might arise in a debate scenario. Trump debated Biden last time, didn't he? If I were a Biden backer, I'd be much more worried about him on a debate stage than Trump.
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5th November 2023, 03:08 PM	#9
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 34,492	Originally Posted by Dr.Sid Well .. republican lack of plan B is only outmatched by democratic lack of plan B A. FTFY Originally Posted by Mike! What makes you think Trump will debate Biden? Because even a moron like Trump will realise there's mileage in putting Biden in front of cameras unscripted. Facts don't matter, opinions do, and it's clear the opinion of Biden is that he's senile. Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger And as for Biden, for every little gaffe he makes, there is more than enough footage of Trump's senile gaffes to compare it to. The difference being, Trump voters forgive his gaffes and latch onto Biden's. Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot Biden is only 3 years older than Trump, although it doesn't seem like it. Trump has definitely lost a step since his younger days, but Biden has lost a lot more. I still don't think Biden will be the candidate for the Dems. They've painted themselves into a corner yet again where these isn't an alternative other than him dropping dead, and Harris loses no matter what.
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5th November 2023, 03:29 PM	#10
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 8,076	Originally Posted by The Atheist The difference being, Trump voters forgive his gaffes and latch onto Biden's. It's kind of like how people mock the time President Obama pronounced "corps" as "corpse" over, and over, and over, and over, because it's pretty much the only thing they can think of, while ignoring everything that Trump has said wrong. (I just saw someone do it a couple days ago, so it's fresh in my mind.)

5th November 2023, 04:53 PM	#11
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 19,223	Originally Posted by Brainster This is starting to sound like 1980 again, but unfortunately Donald Trump isn't Ronald Reagan. Dead?!
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5th November 2023, 04:54 PM	#12
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 32,229	Originally Posted by The Atheist FTFY Because even a moron like Trump will realise there's mileage in putting Biden in front of cameras unscripted. Facts don't matter, opinions do, and it's clear the opinion of Biden is that he's senile. I'd say it's far more dangerous to put an unscripted Trump in front of cameras as evidenced by his inability to talk about anything other than how the election was stolen from him, he's a victim of witch hunts and the most persecuted person in history. Recently, he thanked a crowd for coming out in S. Dakota...when he was in Iowa. He said he was ahead of Obama in election polls, we might get into WW2, said Viktor Orban was the PM of Turkey, has repeatedly pronounced Hamas as "hummus", he confused Jeb Bush with George W. Bush, and has told MAGA rally attendees "not to vote". He told his MAGA rally attendees that "the people who are pouring into our country are, in many cases, the same people who just attacked Israel." REALLY? Hamas is pouring into our country? Quote: The difference being, Trump voters forgive his gaffes and latch onto Biden's. The difference being that even those who should be supporting Biden, since he's going to be the Dem nominee whether you like it or not, are bashing him and calling him senile. Trump voters latch onto that. Quote: They've painted themselves into a corner yet again where these isn't an alternative other than him dropping dead, and Harris loses no matter what. That paint brush you're holding certainly doesn't help anyone but Trump.
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5th November 2023, 05:03 PM	#13
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 32,229	Originally Posted by Armitage72 It's kind of like how people mock the time President Obama pronounced "corps" as "corpse" over, and over, and over, and over, because it's pretty much the only thing they can think of, while ignoring everything that Trump has said wrong. (I just saw someone do it a couple days ago, so it's fresh in my mind.) Trump keeps pronouncing Hamas as 'hummus'. He also said that "the people who are pouring into our country are, in many cases, the same people who just attacked Israel." He just makes crap up as he talks.

5th November 2023, 05:08 PM	#14
sackett Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Detroit Posts: 8,696	It says a Originally Posted by dann Dead?! lot about the Grimy Old Party that the days of -- Jesus! Ronnie Rotgut! -- are a golden age.
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5th November 2023, 05:50 PM	#15
Apathia Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 6,974	She's Ba-ack! https://marianne2024.com/ (Don't complain about me posting a link. You don't have to click on it to get the gist.) (All you need is love. Love is all you need.)
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5th November 2023, 05:51 PM	#16
Glunn11 New Blood Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 18	It's a testament to the strength of our nation that the only thing that will stop it from being these two AGAIN are death or taxes. Sent from my Pixel 6 Pro using Tapatalk
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5th November 2023, 06:10 PM	#17
Dr.Sid Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Olomouc, Czech Republic Posts: 4,569	Originally Posted by Glunn11 It's a testament to the strength of our nation that the only thing that will stop it from being these two AGAIN are death or taxes. Sent from my Pixel 6 Pro using Tapatalk Ah, good one ! Let's hope.

5th November 2023, 06:21 PM	#18
dirtywick Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,122	i'm not convinced trump buried in felony lawsuits in multiple states with a hodge podge of underqualified lawyers that are in way over their heads can run a functional campaign with the d-listers he has left. i think him and the GOP in general are going to have a lot of funding problems as well
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5th November 2023, 06:26 PM	#19
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 46,005	Originally Posted by Brainster This is starting to sound like 1980 again, but unfortunately Donald Trump isn't Ronald Reagan. The Dems should have thought ahead before they selected Biden for the last election. For me, Biden vs Trump is a no brainer. For others, maybe not so obvious.
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5th November 2023, 06:33 PM	#20
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 8,076	Originally Posted by Stacyhs He told his MAGA rally attendees that "the people who are pouring into our country are, in many cases, the same people who just attacked Israel." REALLY? Hamas is pouring into our country? He meant they're all brown. That's what's important to his supporters.

5th November 2023, 06:40 PM	#21
sir drinks-a-lot Philosopher Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cole Valley, CA Posts: 5,250	Originally Posted by dirtywick i'm not convinced trump buried in felony lawsuits in multiple states with a hodge podge of underqualified lawyers that are in way over their heads can run a functional campaign with the d-listers he has left. i think him and the GOP in general are going to have a lot of funding problems as well I don't think he really has to do that much. Everyone already knows who he is, and he's doing well in the polls. What kind of "functional campaigning" does he have to do?
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5th November 2023, 06:45 PM	#22
MarkCorrigan ¡No pasarán! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Слава Україні Posts: 12,740	Originally Posted by Apathia She's Ba-ack! https://marianne2024.com/ (Don't complain about me posting a link. You don't have to click on it to get the gist.) (All you need is love. Love is all you need.) She actually seems to mostly hold reasonable opinions from what it says in a brief scan of her site. I'm guessing she's a nutjob though?
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5th November 2023, 06:58 PM	#23
dirtywick Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5,122	Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot I don't think he really has to do that much. Everyone already knows who he is, and he's doing well in the polls. What kind of "functional campaigning" does he have to do? well i guess you're right, presidential campaigns pretty much run themselves
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5th November 2023, 06:59 PM	#24
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 95,677	Originally Posted by The Atheist ... The difference being, Trump voters ~~forgive~~ [are blind to] his gaffes and latch onto Biden's. ... FTFY They aren't forgiving Trump's gaffes anymore than they 'forgive' his 3 marriages, grab 'em by the pussy, his being hell-bent on revenge or any other fault Trump has. They are in denial. He brags about accomplishments he never accomplished, he pretends to love and read the Bible, you name it, the cult followers are in denial. Watch any of Jordan Klepper's Finger's the Pulse to see what these idiots actually believe. It's not about rational 'forgiveness'.

5th November 2023, 07:03 PM	#25
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 32,229	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger FTFY They aren't forgiving Trump's gaffes anymore than they 'forgive' his 3 marriages, grab 'em by the pussy, his being hell-bent on revenge or any other fault Trump has. They are in denial. He brags about accomplishments he never accomplished, he pretends to love and read the Bible, you name it, the cult followers are in denial. Watch any of Jordan Klepper's Finger's the Pulse to see what these idiots actually believe. It's not about rational 'forgiveness'. Exactly. His idiot followers are in deep denial.

5th November 2023, 07:07 PM	#26
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7,535	Biden's only hope is that Trump will be convicted and sent to Federal prison by the time the election comes around.
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5th November 2023, 07:10 PM	#27
Dr.Sid Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Olomouc, Czech Republic Posts: 4,569	Originally Posted by Hercules56 Biden's only hope is that Trump will be convicted and sent to Federal prison by the time the election comes around. That won't happen soon enough, and it might not be enough.

5th November 2023, 07:13 PM	#28
Hercules56 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7,535	There are a lot of good Democrat Governors out there who could easily and quickly fill in for Biden. I hope the Dems don't realize this too late. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tate_governors
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5th November 2023, 07:24 PM	#29
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 16,174	The Dems would be wise to have Biden nominate a personable and intelligent and likeable successor to run for 2024. There seem to be a bunch of up-and-comers who would give the GOP a good kick up the butt, and Trump a public slapping across the face Will Smith style. Joe can say he is "now concentrating on his personal businesses and family," and retire into the wings gracefully. Frankly, I think he should, sooner rather than later.
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5th November 2023, 07:37 PM	#30
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 24,829	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger People are so impatient. This is from the AG in NY case against Trump thread: It's great for Trump's fundraising. And there are a significant number of idiots who believe it's all the deep state, whatever. But when he loses the ability to do business in NY, and even if there are months or years of appeals, I would think his properties there would be in receivership until he wins an appeal. And that drains all the money he has left in legal fees. How long are those people he grifts off of going to keep sending in their money for his legal fees? Campaign ads can say he showed a magazine as proof he was a billionaire. The ads can show what a fraud he is. And that's not even getting into his retribution statements or how dangerous he is. All these polls are well before anyone is campaigning against Trump. And as for Biden, for every little gaffe he makes, there is more than enough footage of Trump's senile gaffes to compare it to. Interesting that George Conway says Mar a Lardo is owned by a number of The Fat Orange Turd's New York based LLC's. If so, it is likely to fall under the purview of Judge Engeron, and if he rules for disgorgement, FOTUS could lose his pride and joy. That would be delicious!
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5th November 2023, 07:38 PM	#31
sir drinks-a-lot Philosopher Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cole Valley, CA Posts: 5,250	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger He brags about accomplishments he never accomplished... Yeah, there are quite a few examples of this: he attended law school at Syracuse University on a full academic scholarship he had graduated from Delaware with three undergraduate degrees he used to drive an 18-wheeler he was the first in his family to attend college he traveled to Konar Province in Afghanistan to pin a Silver Star on a Navy captain he was appointed to the Naval Academy in 1965 he was invited by Prime Minister Golda Meir to serve as a liaison during Israel’s Six-Day War. he had been named the outstanding student in the political science department as an undergraduate at the University of Delaware he was a professor at the University of Pennsylvania he helped to desegregate restaurants and movie theaters during the civil rights movement he visited Iraq and Afghanistan 30-50 times he traveled 17,000 miles with Xi Jinping he was endorsed by the NAACP ETA: Whoops, I'm sorry. I thought you were talking about Joe Biden.
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5th November 2023, 07:39 PM	#32
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 32,229	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander The Dems would be wise to have Biden nominate a personable and intelligent and likeable successor to run for 2024. There seem to be a bunch of up-and-comers who would give the GOP a good kick up the butt, and Trump a public slapping across the face Will Smith style. Joe can say he is "now concentrating on his personal businesses and family," and retire into the wings gracefully. Frankly, I think he should, sooner rather than later. Who?

5th November 2023, 07:39 PM	#33
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 24,829	Originally Posted by Hercules56 There are a lot of good Democrat Governors out there who could easily and quickly fill in for Biden. I hope the Dems don't realize this too late. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...tate_governors Originally Posted by Norman Alexander The Dems would be wise to have Biden nominate a personable and intelligent and likeable successor to run for 2024. There seem to be a bunch of up-and-comers who would give the GOP a good kick up the butt, and Trump a public slapping across the face Will Smith style. Joe can say he is "now concentrating on his personal businesses and family," and retire into the wings gracefully. Frankly, I think he should, sooner rather than later. Originally Posted by Stacyhs Who? Gavin Newsom?
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5th November 2023, 08:05 PM	#34
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 34,492	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I'd say it's far more dangerous to put an unscripted Trump in front of cameras as evidenced by his inability to talk about anything other than how the election was stolen from him, he's a victim of witch hunts and the most persecuted person in history... That's probably why his polling numbers are so terrible. Oh, wait... In fact, the more idiotic things he says, the more they like him. I would have expected that to be obvious by now. The things he did on the campaign trail in 2016 were unforgivable, and he won comfortably. Why do you think things are going to change now? Originally Posted by Stacyhs The difference being that even those who should be supporting Biden, since he's going to be the Dem nominee whether you like it or not, are bashing him and calling him senile. Trump voters latch onto that. Be aware that I have no dog in this fight - I'm able to look at it as a casual observer. You're quite right that people who should be supporting Biden are calling him senile, though. How do you think that's going to play out? Originally Posted by Stacyhs That paint brush you're holding certainly doesn't help anyone but Trump. That was my point - he's winning and Biden's losing. In a sane world, Trump would be polling in single digits. He's not. Originally Posted by Apathia She's Ba-ack! https://marianne2024.com/ Smart move if you ask me. In a field of nutjobs, she's right at home. Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger FTFY They aren't forgiving Trump's gaffes anymore than they 'forgive' his 3 marriages, grab 'em by the pussy, his being hell-bent on revenge or any other fault Trump has. They are in denial. Denial/forgive, whichever you like. The end result is the same - Biden is struggling to hold support and the orange toad is building towards victory. The polling numbers may well be inaccurate, but there's a trend of Trump increasing his support and Biden losing his. If that trend isn't reversed, Trump will win in a landslide. Originally Posted by Hercules56 There are a lot of good Democrat Governors out there who could easily and quickly fill in for Biden. I hope the Dems don't realize this too late. It's already too late. Just as they hung their hopes on a certain loser in 2016, they're doing the same again.
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5th November 2023, 08:16 PM	#35
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 95,677	Fix your quote codes, TA, you've blurred my words with yours.

5th November 2023, 09:25 PM	#36
lobosrul5 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 6,718	Originally Posted by Mike! What makes you think Trump will debate Biden? He hasn't shown any interest in debating any Republicans this round, my guess is, he won't debate Biden when the time comes either. He knows he has nothing to gain showing the world how outright stupid he is on most any subject that might arise in a debate scenario. I don't think Biden should debate Trump actually.
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