Continuation The Biden Presidency (3)

[Delvo]

In 2016, Trump was aware of what his political success was based on. It's why he said Bernie would be a more dangerous opponent to him than Hillary, because Bernie could encroach on his territory. Trump-Hillary was a choice with, on one hand, the old machine that had been grinding the peasants down for years while telling us that's just how it's supposed to be, and, on the other hand, somebody admitting that there were things going wrong and needing to be fixed. Trump-Bernie would have been a choice between two of the latter.

It was only later that Trump would end up falling in line with the Republicans he was surrounded by.

And after being out for a while, he started to have a return to his original non-Republican self, scolding them for taking some of their ideas too far and thus harming their own party's image with the voters as a result. And when he did that is exactly when his popularity started recovering.

[Bob001]

Here's a glimpse at what real presidents do, even if it doesn't get them much publicity.

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Two years ago, when Biden assumed office, China believed that it was overtaking the United States technologically, intimidating it militarily, and winning the race for global respect and popularity against an exhausted, divided America. Today, in a remarkable turnaround, China is the country that veers between covid-19 lockdowns and casual sacrifice of elders, between clobbering its real estate sector and coddling it, between persecuting its entrepreneurial champions and promising to make nice.

On the foreign policy side, meanwhile, the Biden team has inflicted a series of humiliations on its chief rival.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...oreign-policy/

[Gulliver Foyle]

Originally Posted by Bob001

The unemployment rate is the lowest it's been in 53 years.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...-labor-market/

Is this good or bad? Discuss.

It depends, are the people in badly paid low productivity jobs. In that case, then it is very bad for both workers and long term economic prospects. The UK fell into exactly this trap in the Seventies and was only rescued from being the Sick Man of Europe by EU membership.

[Gulliver Foyle]

Originally Posted by Bob001

Let's just note that almost every source believed Clinton was a sure thing in 2016, so sitting it out or voting for Jill Stein was seen as inconsequential. If Sanders supporters actually thought Trump could win, they likely would have voted for Clinton. I continue to be convinced, without hard evidence, that a certain percentage of people voted for Trump not because they wanted him to be President, but just because they thought it would be a safe protest against "the establishment." If they really thought Trump could win, some might have done something else.

Clinton's worst mistake -- among many -- was to campaign as if she had already won. Nobody likes to be taken for granted. If she had ended every speech with "This isn't over! I need every vote! I need your vote!," it might have gone differently.

Or if she had pivoted away from her corporatist position much earlier and taken a more worker centric campaign it would have helped. Clinton ran an awful, lackluster and off message campaign for a candidate that needed left wing and worker votes.

[Beelzebuddy]

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Clinton ran an awful, lackluster and off message campaign for a candidate that needed left wing and worker votes.

Hey now, you can't say that sort of thing out loud around here. Now everyone's going to have to pile on about how she was simply entitled to those votes and it was in fact those voters' fault she lost for not bothering to turn out for a candidate who was so confident of her victory she took them entirely for granted.

[ETA] Oh I almost forgot: while implying that despite those voters being a big enough bloc to have cost Clinton the election all by their petty selves without any other mistakes on her part they're also such an infinitesimally small bloc that no future milquetoast candidate should be expected to make any overtures towards them as a correction.

[Bob001]

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

It depends, are the people in badly paid low productivity jobs. In that case, then it is very bad for both workers and long term economic prospects. The UK fell into exactly this trap in the Seventies and was only rescued from being the Sick Man of Europe by EU membership.

If you need a job, it's easier to find one you can live with when the unemployment rate is low. You may not have seen the numerous reports that restaurants and the hospitality industry are having trouble finding employees despite raising wages to historic highs because many have gone on to better jobs in other industries.

Generally speaking, low unemployment is good for workers, less so for big business.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Bob001

If you need a job, it's easier to find one you can live with when the unemployment rate is low. You may not have seen the numerous reports that restaurants and the hospitality industry are having trouble finding employees despite raising wages to historic highs because many have gone on to better jobs in other industries.

Generally speaking, low unemployment is good for workers, less so for big business.

It's Biden's fault that restaurants and the hospitality industry are having trouble finding enough employees. His anti-business agenda is hurting restaurant and hotel owners. This would never have happened under Trump!

[TheGoldcountry]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

It's Biden's fault that restaurants and the hospitality industry are having trouble finding enough employees. His anti-business agenda is hurting restaurant and hotel owners. This would never have happened under Trump!

I love how the service industry (at least in my area) puts signs on their windows saying "Nobody wants to work!". When you investigate, you find out they're only offering 15-20 hour a week shifts, scattered all over the map, and expect all employees to work at a moment's notice, though they'll also routinely send these employees home without notice when it's slow.

If they have kids, or 1 or 2 other part-time jobs (which they will need for a 15-20 hour a week job) they're branded as "lazy" for not finding the time to work for them.

Rant over.

ETA: Sorry, I lied. Don't forget about the jobs that "aren't meant for adults," (code for "we should be able to pay kids slave wages") said by people who think teenagers can work 24-7 shifts. ???????

[Stacyhs]

Biden ordered the Chinese spy balloon to be shot down on Wednesday but the Pentagon advised waiting until it was over water as a safety precaution. Fighter jets shot it down over US waters and the data contained in its hardware can now be recovered.

[Aridas]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Biden ordered the Chinese spy balloon to be shot down on Wednesday but the Pentagon advised waiting until it was over water as a safety precaution. Fighter jets shot it down over US waters and the data contained in its hardware can now be recovered.

FWIW, I'm going to say that it's highly doubtful that it's actually a "spy balloon," rather than simply a pretty normal weather balloon that someone made a mistake underfilling and went waaaaay off target as a result. As in, it's pretty much a given that that's a lot of hullabaloo over nothing in reality, manufactured/amplified for gain by less than ethical forces. All that hullabaloo is likely to feed into CT and racist hatemongering and paranoia, either way, and add yet more stupidity to that. That it's received as much coverage like that as it has should likely be counted as an embarrassment for our country.

China's fairly certainly got spy satellites to work with, either way, and a lonely "spy balloon" where they have very limited control over where it goes, if any, and vastly greater exposure to being dealt with with pathetic ease would be rather inane, to say the least. If it was a short range thing where there was better predictability, then it could be a viable means of spying. Other side of world? Not likely.

[Bob001]

Originally Posted by Aridas

FWIW, I'm going to say that it's highly doubtful that it's actually a "spy balloon," rather than simply a pretty normal weather balloon that someone made a mistake underfilling and went waaaaay off target as a result. As in, it's pretty much a given that that's a lot of hullabaloo over nothing in reality, manufactured/amplified for gain by less than ethical forces.
....

A lot of experts are saying that this thing is much larger than a weather balloon, that the equipment hanging from it is the size of three schoolbuses, and that it is maneuverable, powered by solar panels. Not the typical weather balloon.
https://www.boston.com/news/politics...py-in-the-sky/

[Aridas]

Originally Posted by Bob001

A lot of experts are saying that this thing is much larger than a weather balloon, that the equipment hanging from it is the size of three schoolbuses, and that it is maneuverable, powered by solar panels. Not the typical weather balloon.
https://www.boston.com/news/politics...py-in-the-sky/

Correction - based on that article, the whole thing is the size of 3 school buses. No mention of the equipment size, just that it could be up to 1000 lbs. That is large for a normal weather balloon, to be sure, and by enough to lead me to reconsider my position. With that said, it's worth noting that normal weather balloons can more than triple their size, though, when they get up to around where this one is. Reduced air density and all. Of some note, there's also a very limited ability to carry weight by balloon. This one's larger than the usual, but that still remains true. I suppose we'll likely hear about how maneuverable it is actually is in the coming days, either way, but the additional weight from solar panels, potential batteries, wiring, and maneuvering equipment should be directly and significantly cutting into the weight limits.

I think that it's also somewhat worth stressing a quote from the article, too, though -

Quote:

For now, officials said the U.S. will monitor it, using “a variety of methods” including aircraft. The Pentagon has said the balloon isn’t a military threat and doesn’t give China any surveillance capabilities it doesn’t already have with spy satellites.

Even if it does indeed end up being a spy balloon, it doesn't actually change anything of note and is inferior in a bunch of ways, which makes it pretty stupid to try to use for spy purposes. That is, unless the US is greatly overestimating China's spy satellites' capabilities.

[mgidm86]

Originally Posted by Aridas

FWIW, I'm going to say that it's highly doubtful that it's actually a "spy balloon," rather than simply a pretty normal weather balloon that someone made a mistake underfilling and went waaaaay off target as a result. As in, it's pretty much a given that that's a lot of hullabaloo over nothing in reality, manufactured/amplified for gain by less than ethical forces. All that hullabaloo is likely to feed into CT and racist hatemongering and paranoia, either way, and add yet more stupidity to that. That it's received as much coverage like that as it has should likely be counted as an embarrassment for our country.

China's fairly certainly got spy satellites to work with, either way, and a lonely "spy balloon" where they have very limited control over where it goes, if any, and vastly greater exposure to being dealt with with pathetic ease would be rather inane, to say the least. If it was a short range thing where there was better predictability, then it could be a viable means of spying. Other side of world? Not likely.

I just remembered that we have a totally bat **** crazy Republican party so this means that it is:

a) Totally possible for a country (a group of morons) to do something this stupid.

or (and?)

b) The Republicans are spying on Dem National Committee headquarters again.

[Aridas]

Originally Posted by mgidm86

I just remembered that we have a totally bat **** crazy Republican party so this means that it is:

a) Totally possible for a country (a group of morons) to do something this stupid.

or (and?)

b) The Republicans are spying on Dem National Committee headquarters again.

To be clear, at no point did I mean to negate the possibility of China doing something inane entirely. Especially given the current general unrest in China, there's a lot of room for dumb crap to be done for various ends, political and non-political. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was actually some marketing stunt or test gone wrong, for that matter, rather than an actual government initiative.

[Bob001]

Originally Posted by Aridas

Correction - based on that article, the whole thing is the size of 3 school buses. No mention of the equipment size, just that it could be up to 1000 lbs. That is large for a normal weather balloon, to be sure, and by enough to lead me to reconsider my position.

Poorly phrased. Here are other links:

Quote:

The substructure beneath the suspected Chinese spy balloon, believed by officials to be the steering and surveillance apparatus, is roughly 90 feet, according to a defense official. That's roughly the length of three city buses.

The balloon carrying that substructure is significantly larger and taller, the source said.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...-us/index.html

Quote:

The payload of the balloon — that is, the part under the balloon conducting the surveillance — is the size of two to three school buses, and the balloon itself is much larger, according to a U.S. official.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chinese...ight-tracking/

[Aridas]

Originally Posted by Bob001

Poorly phrased. Here are other links:

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...-us/index.html


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chinese...ight-tracking/

Alright. This sorta does pretty well circle around to the question of how much weight capacity is left for any actual payload, again, and what they could hope to actually learn to justify this particularly open approach.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Aridas

FWIW, I'm going to say that it's highly doubtful that it's actually a "spy balloon," rather than simply a pretty normal weather balloon that someone made a mistake underfilling and went waaaaay off target as a result. As in, it's pretty much a given that that's a lot of hullabaloo over nothing in reality, manufactured/amplified for gain by less than ethical forces. All that hullabaloo is likely to feed into CT and racist hatemongering and paranoia, either way, and add yet more stupidity to that. That it's received as much coverage like that as it has should likely be counted as an embarrassment for our country.

China's fairly certainly got spy satellites to work with, either way, and a lonely "spy balloon" where they have very limited control over where it goes, if any, and vastly greater exposure to being dealt with with pathetic ease would be rather inane, to say the least. If it was a short range thing where there was better predictability, then it could be a viable means of spying. Other side of world? Not likely.

I think our Intelligence agencies are likely better at identifying weather balloons from 'spy balloons'. I suggest you're being rather premature writing it off as a 'weather balloon' or 'some marketing stunt or test gone wrong' and an 'embarrassment for our country'.

[Aridas]

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I think our Intelligence agencies are likely better at identifying weather balloons from 'spy balloons'. I suggest you're being rather premature writing it off as a 'weather balloon' or 'some marketing stunt or test gone wrong' and an 'embarrassment for our country'.

Entirely possible. We'll likely see, either way. To me, though, this is the kind of thing that feels a lot like, for example, the hullabaloo around just one of many periodic caravans of people heading to our Southern border to seek refuge. Theme well in line with right-wing narratives being pushed? Check. Blown well out of proportion in the media? Check. Ripe for CT? Check.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by Aridas

Entirely possible. We'll likely see, either way. To me, though, this is the kind of thing that feels a lot like, for example, the hullabaloo around just one of many periodic caravans of people heading to our Southern border to seek refuge. Theme well in line with right-wing narratives being pushed? Check. Blown well out of proportion in the media? Check. Ripe for CT? Check.

"Blown well out of proportion in the media? Check." I don't agree.

As for 'ripe for CT?' Absolutely. As I've posted in the "Thread for Stupidity for GOP Politicians Who Don't Have a Thread of Their Own", James Comer is already spreading the seeds:

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“My concern is that the federal government obviously doesn’t know what’s in that balloon. Is that bioweapons, weapons in that balloon? Did that balloon take off from Wuhan? We don’t know anything about that balloon. But the fact that this balloon was slowly making its way to the United States for several days and this administration never alerted anyone about the possibility of this balloon coming up, I think it is very concerning. It’s very concerning. They didn’t shoot it out of the air before it even reached the continental United States,” Comer added.

Notably, the balloon crossed into the continental U.S. from Canada and flew over Montana – meaning the U.S. would have had to shoot it down over Canadian airspace.

[bruto]

Whatever it turns out to be, I presume that if they did shoot it down, an actual answer will be forthcoming. I'm holding off guessing, since crazy conspiracy theorists can turn a weather balloon into a floating doomsday, but crazy dictatorships can also do utterly crazy things and lie about them.

[Suddenly]

Originally Posted by Bob001

That's not the case to go to the mat on. A lot of people have reservations about the idea that taxes paid by people who never even went to college should be used to pay down anybody else's college loans. Add to that all the people who paid off their loans or went to state schools they could afford instead of borrowing to attend private schools, and add to that all the people who don't think they should have to pay for anybody's else's entirely discretionary decisions to go to law school or grad school, and you have a lot of people who would not be behind Biden on this.

I think there is justification to help some people in some ways. But Biden's plan is too broad and too unrestricted.

I'm talking jurisprudence here, more precisely that on standing. Deciding against Biden is a massive escalation in that not only are they going to be hostile on the grounds of a suit, they are going to start deciding cases they have no real business deciding.

That's kinda huge.

That many people are twits who get mad about anyone coming after them having it easier than them is unfortunate, but that's a whole different thing.

[Suddenly]

Originally Posted by Bob001

Clinton's worst mistake -- among many -- was to campaign as if she had already won. Nobody likes to be taken for granted. If she had ended every speech with "This isn't over! I need every vote! I need your vote!," it might have gone differently.

Basically. Me being salty about 2016 has nothing to do with policy. She ran a completely incompetent campaign in her messaging and allocation of resources. It should never have been that close.

In 2016 I was firmly in her corner and would vote for her without hesitation if she ran again as once you stripped away the bs about her kinda being an awful person she would have been the most progressive president since maybe FDR. That doesn't mean she didn't massively screw up 2016.

[Suddenly]

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Maybe, maybe not.

I suspect BernieBros can be divided into 2 categories:

- Those who actually wanted progressive/far left policies (Free college, single payer health care, etc.). They MIGHT be convinced to vote for Clinton, assuming they didn't fall into the mindset of "Moderate democrats are just like Republicans".

- Those less concerned about issues of policy, and more interested in a "burn it all down" mindset. They wanted someone to shake things up and didn't care if they were a lying con-artist right-winger or far-left non-democrat outsider. just as long as they weren't "the establishment".

I'd add a small group of white rust belt working class for whom labor is the biggest issue. Sanders was solid, Trump at least lied and also appealed to their.. err... nativism.

Whereas they saw and still see, fairly or not, Bill Clinton as the liberal antichrist who sent all their jobs overseas and started all this political correctness stuff.

Probably not bigger in number than the other two but in a more vital place on the electoral map.

I still remain convinced 2016 goes the other way if we take all those "Trump is a misogynist" ads Hillary ran in the rust belt and replace them with ads with Trump saying "Wages are too high" on a loop.

[Suddenly]

Originally Posted by bruto

Whatever it turns out to be, I presume that if they did shoot it down, an actual answer will be forthcoming. I'm holding off guessing, since crazy conspiracy theorists can turn a weather balloon into a floating doomsday, but crazy dictatorships can also do utterly crazy things and lie about them.

I can't remember a story from recent memory where I felt less competent to even form an opinion.

It's just too weird and sounds like the plot device in a Don DeLillo novel.

[bruto]

Originally Posted by Suddenly

I can't remember a story from recent memory where I felt less competent to even form an opinion.

It's just too weird and sounds like the plot device in a Don DeLillo novel.

I was thinking maybe Pynchon or Philip K. Dick, but yeah.

[Stacyhs]

The debris field of the balloon was 15X15 football fields, but the usual Republicans like Cotton, Cruz, and Comer are bitching about Biden not shooting it down over land where it could have killed people. This is debris falling from 60,000 ft. but hey, it gives these ********* something to moan about.

[Aridas]

Right-wing domestic terrorism continues, incidentally.

Neo-Nazi leader and Maryland woman allegedly plotted to ‘completely destroy’ Baltimore, Justice Department says

Maryland neo-Nazi couple’s plan to attack Baltimore power grid fits domestic terror pattern

Electrical grid attacks seem to have become increasingly popular among the pro-fascism forces of the world, I suppose. At least this one was prevented.

Oh, and in other news, we've got another Biden scandal!

FOX News Says Biden is 'COMPROMISED' Because He Revoked Trump's Non-Existent Ban on TikTok

The really short version of what actually happened was that Biden revoked an unlawful, never actually implemented Trump Executive Order and replaced it with a legally valid review process Executive Order.

[Gulliver Foyle]

Originally Posted by Aridas

Right-wing domestic terrorism continues, incidentally.

Neo-Nazi leader and Maryland woman allegedly plotted to ‘completely destroy’ Baltimore, Justice Department says

Maryland neo-Nazi couple’s plan to attack Baltimore power grid fits domestic terror pattern

Electrical grid attacks seem to have become increasingly popular among the pro-fascism forces of the world, I suppose. At least this one was prevented.

Oh, and in other news, we've got another Biden scandal!

FOX News Says Biden is 'COMPROMISED' Because He Revoked Trump's Non-Existent Ban on TikTok

The really short version of what actually happened was that Biden revoked an unlawful, never actually implemented Trump Executive Order and replaced it with a legally valid review process Executive Order.

Monkey see, monkey do. They see their true master bombing power plants in Ukraine and want to emulate him

[wareyin]

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

Monkey see, monkey do. They see their true master bombing power plants in Ukraine and want to emulate him

There have been several Nazi attacks on US power plants lately. Oregon, Washington, North Carolina, and now Maryland.

"Attacks on the infrastructure have been on the radar of extremists, anti-government groups for a good 30 years," said Blazak. "What a lot of people don’t know is many of those plots in the 1990s were started, but were thwarted by the FBI. They broke up a lot of planned attacks on power stations, on dams, and other infrastructure targets like that."

[lobosrul5]

Originally Posted by Bob001

That's not the case to go to the mat on. A lot of people have reservations about the idea that taxes paid by people who never even went to college should be used to pay down anybody else's college loans. Add to that all the people who paid off their loans or went to state schools they could afford instead of borrowing to attend private schools, and add to that all the people who don't think they should have to pay for anybody's else's entirely discretionary decisions to go to law school or grad school, and you have a lot of people who would not be behind Biden on this.

I think there is justification to help some people in some ways. But Biden's plan is too broad and too unrestricted.

As I alluded to earlier, there were two things Biden has done* that I disagreed with. This is one of the. Paying off student loans for people making up to 125k (or a quarter mil for a married couple) a year, is not much different than a tax break for the wealthy IMO. There are ways it could have been done that I would've agreed with. Like a surtax on high income for anyone taking the loan forgiveness.

*or in the case attempted to

[Skeptic Ginger]

Originally Posted by wareyin

There have been several Nazi attacks on US power plants lately. Oregon, Washington, North Carolina, and now Maryland.

"Attacks on the infrastructure have been on the radar of extremists, anti-government groups for a good 30 years," said Blazak. "What a lot of people don’t know is many of those plots in the 1990s were started, but were thwarted by the FBI. They broke up a lot of planned attacks on power stations, on dams, and other infrastructure targets like that."

According to reports, the 2 men who shot up a couple power stations in WA and got caught wanted to cause a power outage so they could burglarize some businesses. It wasn't a political act.

[mgidm86]

Can't wait to find out what the state of this union is.


OT:
I can't get this forum to go to the last viewed post. Do I need to stay logged in at all times or something (Opera)? This is extremely frustrating. Sometimes it puts me back 5 days in a thread I'd just commented on two hours earlier.

It's probably a conspiracy to silence me. Totally understandable, I'd do it to me to.

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by mgidm86

Can't wait to find out what the state of this union is.


OT:
I can't get this forum to go to the last viewed post. Do I need to stay logged in at all times or something (Opera)? This is extremely frustrating. Sometimes it puts me back 5 days in a thread I'd just commented on two hours earlier.

It's probably a conspiracy to silence me. Totally understandable, I'd do it to me to.

Send me money and I'll fix it for you.

Sincerely,

Donald Trump

[mgidm86]

Video without sign language (I get distracted easily):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iywlq-er-Yg

Video with sign language:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/state-of-the-union-2023/


ETA:
This is going to be an applause fest isn't it? I think I will watch a replay later without it.

In my headphones I can tell when the Republicans don't applaud before they show them. No applause in my right ear. So far Biden is speeding through the applause.

[Stacyhs]

I don't bother with the SOTU speeches. I'll get the highlights after without all the applause waste of time.

[mgidm86]

We're gonna create 100s of thousands of jobs!

Unemployment is at 3%!

Don't create too many jobs Joe! We're all working!

Factories are gonna be built! Airports, shipyards. And also...airports! Oh let's bring up iron workers for applause! Let's make those right wingers see how good we are!

It sounds silly. Oh wait this just in..."We're gonna buy American!"

I'm out, I got a video to edit. It's ok, joe is doing fine, I just don't need to hear it.

[PitPat]

Hasn't it been a lazy one-liner/applause fest for about the last few decades at least? I watched it cuz it sounded more interesting than a cable Seinfeld repeat or a streaming show. I'd give about a B grade.

Clearly he's running again, and can't say I'm totally against it -- but if he does, at least I hope some folks in his party buck the historical trend and challenge him. But don't have a particular person in mind right now.

A lot of pundits make it sounds like this is his 2024 SOTU, when he's there's still a looong time to go, politically. And part of my experience with political polling analysis is that the American attention span is such that little of what's happening today will not be remembered a year from now unless the economy steadily and hugely declines (if he's still alive). Usually after Labor Day of the election year is when most folks start paying hard attention to "who's running again this time?" unless you're above average in political activity/awareness.

One thing that was weird and I don't know how well it resonated: the assertion about non-compete agreements for fast food cashiers. Along the lines burger joint cashiers often(?) have to sign non-competes so they don't walk across the street to get paid more at another burger joint. It occurs but not very widespread and don't think it's a huge issue for people - especially when restaurants are struggling for employees. I've had to sign them in the business world and I'd suspect doesn't make it into the top 30 of problems facing the country, survey-wise.

[Bob001]

Originally Posted by PitPat

.....
One thing that was weird and I don't know how well it resonated: the assertion about non-compete agreements for fast food cashiers. Along the lines burger joint cashiers often(?) have to sign non-competes so they don't walk across the street to get paid more at another burger joint. It occurs but not very widespread and don't think it's a huge issue for people - especially when restaurants are struggling for employees. I've had to sign them in the business world and I'd suspect doesn't make it into the top 30 of problems facing the country, survey-wise.

Probably not in the top dozen on anybody's mind, but it doesn't sound trivial either.

Quote:

On January 5, the Federal Trade Commission announced a policy initiative that could be a major boon for labor. It proposed to ban non-compete clauses for all workers—no exceptions. These contracts bind tens of millions of workers today across nearly all occupations. The FTC estimated its proposed prohibition could increase workers’ collective earnings by as much as $300 billion per year.

https://time.com/6249347/fight-over-...mpete-clauses/

If somebody can't take for a better job, especially at the lower end of the pay scale, he becomes his employer's prisoner. Nobody should want that.

[Delvo]

I've seen lefty commentators commentating on that subject for the last month or so. He must have mentioned it in response to that.

[Tero]

Quote:

Pence: Former Vice President Mike Pence tweeted after Biden's address that it "showed one thing: That it is time for new Republican leadership to get our Nation back to the strength and prosperity we had under the Trump-Pence Administration."

Prosperity? It was more like a payday loan scam "prosperity." Time to pay the bill, GOP!