The Trump Presidency: Part 29 - Page 84

Stacyhs · 1st February 2023, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Mike!

Remember the show, "Night Gallery"?

Rod Serling.

Mike! · 1st February 2023, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Rod Serling.

Yeah, that guy. I think that picture is a major contender if Night Gallery is ever revived.

Tero · 5th February 2023, 07:43 AM

This may represent the trend.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/05/polit...024/index.html

However, Trump was able to capture the disgruntled class so the big money had less effect in 2016. But I believe Trump had his moment in 2016. Those voters, the base, affected the outcome in 2020.

Now we see the Koch money as more effective than 2016 or 2020.

mgidm86 · 5th February 2023, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Rod Serling.

Rod is tripping on the size of Pope Trump's hands.

Again, what the hell is that thing? I mean is that painting or whatever...real?

People actually think that is like, good? Dude...

zorro99 · 5th February 2023, 07:43 PM

Family found dead in Pennsylvania made a 'joint decision' to kill themselves, police say

Morgan Daub, 26, and her parents, James Daub, 62, and Deborah Daub, 59, were found dead in the backyard of their home in York County, in what police say was a suicide pact.

Feb. 3, 2023, 6:19 PM EST

A Pennsylvania family found shot dead in their backyard last week in what police say appears to be a suicide pact, included a mother and daughter who loved bowling and were devout Christian conservatives, people who knew them said.

Morgan Daub, 26, and her parents, James Daub, 62, and Deborah Daub, 59, were found dead on the ground in the backyard of their home in York County, Pennsylvania, on the morning of Jan. 25, after police responded to a request for a welfare check from a neighbor.

The West Manchester Township Police Department has since said that notes left inside the house indicate that the family recently made a "joint decision" to end their lives. Police believe Deborah Daub shot and killed her husband and then was shot and killed by Morgan, who died by suicide. Police said there were no signs of forced entry or struggle and no evidence that anyone else had been present.

Stabley said the Christian, churchgoing family “was never shy about letting anybody know what their beliefs were” when it came to religion and politics. Morgan and Deborah “very, very huge” supporters of former President Donald Trump, Stabley said.

“They were just so hell-bent on Trump winning, like this could be in the end if he doesn’t,” Stabley said, referring to an instance when he saw them just before the 2020 election. He said he stopped seeing the two after that.

A neighbor, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of personal or professional retaliation in their town, said the family had a "preoccupation with religion, especially on the dad’s part." The family's front yard was also "littered" with Pro-Trump political signs during the elections, and anti-abortion signs when Roe v. Wade was overturned, the neighbor said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-say-rcna69060

The Great Zaganza · 6th February 2023, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by zorro99

Family found dead in Pennsylvania made a 'joint decision' to kill themselves, police say

Morgan Daub, 26, and her parents, James Daub, 62, and Deborah Daub, 59, were found dead in the backyard of their home in York County, in what police say was a suicide pact.

Feb. 3, 2023, 6:19 PM EST

A Pennsylvania family found shot dead in their backyard last week in what police say appears to be a suicide pact, included a mother and daughter who loved bowling and were devout Christian conservatives, people who knew them said.

Morgan Daub, 26, and her parents, James Daub, 62, and Deborah Daub, 59, were found dead on the ground in the backyard of their home in York County, Pennsylvania, on the morning of Jan. 25, after police responded to a request for a welfare check from a neighbor.

The West Manchester Township Police Department has since said that notes left inside the house indicate that the family recently made a "joint decision" to end their lives. Police believe Deborah Daub shot and killed her husband and then was shot and killed by Morgan, who died by suicide. Police said there were no signs of forced entry or struggle and no evidence that anyone else had been present.

Stabley said the Christian, churchgoing family “was never shy about letting anybody know what their beliefs were” when it came to religion and politics. Morgan and Deborah “very, very huge” supporters of former President Donald Trump, Stabley said.

“They were just so hell-bent on Trump winning, like this could be in the end if he doesn’t,” Stabley said, referring to an instance when he saw them just before the 2020 election. He said he stopped seeing the two after that.

A neighbor, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of personal or professional retaliation in their town, said the family had a "preoccupation with religion, especially on the dad’s part." The family's front yard was also "littered" with Pro-Trump political signs during the elections, and anti-abortion signs when Roe v. Wade was overturned, the neighbor said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-say-rcna69060

Rare to find Trump supporters willing to act on their convictions.

Stacyhs · 6th February 2023, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by zorro99

>snip<

Stabley said the Christian, churchgoing family “was never shy about letting anybody know what their beliefs were” when it came to religion and politics. Morgan and Deborah “very, very huge” supporters of former President Donald Trump, Stabley said.

“They were just so hell-bent on Trump winning, like this could be in the end if he doesn’t,” Stabley said, referring to an instance when he saw them just before the 2020 election. He said he stopped seeing the two after that.

A neighbor, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of personal or professional retaliation in their town, said the family had a "preoccupation with religion, especially on the dad’s part." The family's front yard was also "littered" with Pro-Trump political signs during the elections, and anti-abortion signs when Roe v. Wade was overturned, the neighbor said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-say-rcna69060

But it's not a cult.

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Rare to find Trump supporters willing to act on their convictions.

Funny, but sadly, not true. Consider all the J6 insurrectionists who acted on their stupid convictions.

The Great Zaganza · 6th February 2023, 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Funny, but sadly, not true. Consider all the J6 insurrectionists who acted on their stupid convictions.

Hardly a proportional response if you believe that your election was stolen and you now live in a communist NWO dictatorship.

Stacyhs · 6th February 2023, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

Hardly a proportional response if you believe that your election was stolen and you now live in a communist NWO dictatorship.

I don't see the point. They were still acting on their convictions, albeit stupid.

Norman Alexander · 6th February 2023, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by zorro99

Family found dead in Pennsylvania made a 'joint decision' to kill themselves, police say

Morgan Daub, 26, and her parents, James Daub, 62, and Deborah Daub, 59, were found dead in the backyard of their home in York County, in what police say was a suicide pact.

Feb. 3, 2023, 6:19 PM EST

A Pennsylvania family found shot dead in their backyard last week in what police say appears to be a suicide pact, included a mother and daughter who loved bowling and were devout Christian conservatives, people who knew them said.

Morgan Daub, 26, and her parents, James Daub, 62, and Deborah Daub, 59, were found dead on the ground in the backyard of their home in York County, Pennsylvania, on the morning of Jan. 25, after police responded to a request for a welfare check from a neighbor.

The West Manchester Township Police Department has since said that notes left inside the house indicate that the family recently made a "joint decision" to end their lives. Police believe Deborah Daub shot and killed her husband and then was shot and killed by Morgan, who died by suicide. Police said there were no signs of forced entry or struggle and no evidence that anyone else had been present.

Stabley said the Christian, churchgoing family “was never shy about letting anybody know what their beliefs were” when it came to religion and politics. Morgan and Deborah “very, very huge” supporters of former President Donald Trump, Stabley said.

“They were just so hell-bent on Trump winning, like this could be in the end if he doesn’t,” Stabley said, referring to an instance when he saw them just before the 2020 election. He said he stopped seeing the two after that.

A neighbor, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of personal or professional retaliation in their town, said the family had a "preoccupation with religion, especially on the dad’s part." The family's front yard was also "littered" with Pro-Trump political signs during the elections, and anti-abortion signs when Roe v. Wade was overturned, the neighbor said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-say-rcna69060

All I can say is three fewer MAGidiots in the world is good.

dudalb · 6th February 2023, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

All I can say is three fewer MAGidiots in the world is good.

COnsider it Evolution in action. A few less stupid genes to mess up the gene pool.

TofuFighter · 6th February 2023, 11:02 PM

From what I've read, their suicides were related to other difficulties, including the daughter's mental issues, and their political affiliations were incidental, which makes this arguably off topic. Insensitive comments about their deaths are unnecessary.

Segnosaur · 7th February 2023, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by TofuFighter

From what I've read, their suicides were related to other difficulties, including the daughter's mental issues, and their political affiliations were incidental, which makes this arguably off topic. Insensitive comments about their deaths are unnecessary.

Their suicides may not be related to Trump's recent political defeats.

But the question is, did whatever psychological problems which lead to their suicides also cause them to support Trump or did they enter into fandom of his through relatively clear thought processes.

Given the rather callous nature of your typical MAGAchud (their "screw your feelings" mantra, labelling those on the political left "snowflakes"), I think it is natural for those who have been the target of right wing vitriol to be less than sympathetic when they encounter their own hardships.

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MRC_Hans · 7th February 2023, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Their suicides may not be related to Trump's recent political defeats.

But the question is, did whatever psychological problems which lead to their suicides also cause them to support Trump or did they enter into fandom of his through relatively clear thought processes.

Given the rather callous nature of your typical MAGAchud (their "screw your feelings" mantra, labelling those on the political left "snowflakes"), I think it is natural for those who have been the target of right wing vitriol to be less than sympathetic when they encounter their own hardships.

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For certain definitions of 'clear', surely?

Hans

dann · 7th February 2023, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

All I can say is three fewer MAGidiots in the world is good.

No, not really. Three MAGidiots realizing that they were wrong and embracing and dealing with reality would be good.

Originally Posted by dudalb

COnsider it Evolution in action. A few less stupid genes to mess up the gene pool.

Am I right in assuming that this is your centrist genes talking? (Genes aren't stupid. (Some) people are.)

Originally Posted by TofuFighter

From what I've read, their suicides were related to other difficulties, including the daughter's mental issues, and their political affiliations were incidental, which makes this arguably off topic. Insensitive comments about their deaths are unnecessary.

bruto · 7th February 2023, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by dann

No, not really. Three MAGidiots realizing that they were wrong and embracing and dealing with reality would be good.

Am I right in assuming that this is your centrist genes talking? (Genes aren't stupid. (Some) people are.)

Agreed here. The real victory, the one that will make a real difference, will happen when minds change, not when people die.

Stacyhs · 7th February 2023, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by TofuFighter

From what I've read, their suicides were related to other difficulties, including the daughter's mental issues, and their political affiliations were incidental, which makes this arguably off topic. Insensitive comments about their deaths are unnecessary.

I think their religious and political beliefs were heavily intertwined. Someone who knew them said the family was “'never shy about letting anybody know what their beliefs were' when it came to religion and politics" and "that Deborah Daub and her daughter were 'hell-bent on Trump winning' the 2020 election, adding: 'Like this could be the end if he doesn't.'"

Norman Alexander · 7th February 2023, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

Agreed here. The real victory, the one that will make a real difference, will happen when minds change, not when people die.

I'm going to respectfully disagree.

These people are NOT going to change their minds. They would rather die than change their minds, in this example.

I've gotten beyond exasperation with them, frankly. I do realise they have personal issues, but don't we all. Some of us have far bigger and often more momentous personal issues to deal with than these people. And yet we do not descend to thinking that the return of Donald Trump as POTUS is going to solve them all.

So if these people decide that offing themselves with their own gawd-given guns is the only option they think they have to Donald being re-crowned then I won't stand in their way and I wish them well on their journey to paradise.

Meanwhile, the world will be bereft of one more group of Trump-nuts that it never needed. And that is a nett gain.

Stacyhs · 7th February 2023, 04:40 PM

Frankly, when Trump dies I'm going to celebrate.

mgidm86 · 7th February 2023, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

Agreed here. The real victory, the one that will make a real difference, will happen when minds change, not when people die.

If you kill yourself and family over this stuff then your mind is not going to be changed. This is true devotion. Not a lot of critical thought going on there.

"They loved bowling, were devout Christian conservatives and very very loyal Trump supporters."

It is tragic that my sympathy for such people has been stolen by the Republican Party. I care about the country, and I care that the Republicans and American conservatism does this to people.

But I cannot separate the believers from the party anymore. I have little sympathy for them, if any. A bunch of mindless zombies who want to end democracy are exactly that, regardless of how they got there and who they are, including my own family.

I'm not saying I am right to feel this way, I am saying this is what is happening. I care about the effect these people are having on our country, I do not care about them personally one bit.

bruto · 7th February 2023, 06:28 PM

I realize it's pie in the sky to expect many minds to change. It's what I wish not what I expect.

mgidm86 · 7th February 2023, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

I realize it's pie in the sky to expect many minds to change. It's what I wish not what I expect.

I know I hear you bro. Me too.

Regnad Kcin · 7th February 2023, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Frankly, when Trump dies I'm going to celebrate.

I fully expect on that day bars across America will quickly run short of beer, liquor, and wine and resort to serving Clorox.

Segnosaur · 7th February 2023, 09:37 PM

Bwhaaa ha ha ha!!!!!

From: Yahoo News
Former President Donald Trump escalated his attacks on Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Tuesday, seizing on a story that his rival for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination partied with underage students when he worked as a teacher...Trump reposted a photograph originally posted by a Truth Social member...The image showed what appeared to be DeSantis flanked by three young women that had been captioned, "Here is Ron DeSanctimonious grooming high school girls with alcohol as a teacher."

Ha ha ha ha!!!!

Republicans decided to stand by Trump and now he's showing he's willing to pretty much burn the party to the ground. And even if Trump fails to win the primary, his attacks will probably ruin any chance of the eventual nominee in the general election.

(I wonder if Moscow Mitch is secretly praying that the DoJ or Georgia DA get around to pressing charges against Trump, just to limit the damage he might do.)

Segnosaur · 7th February 2023, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin

Quote:

Frankly, when Trump dies I'm going to celebrate.

I fully expect on that day bars across America will quickly run short of beer, liquor, and wine and resort to serving Clorox.

Why, do you think there will be an outbreak of covid?

TofuFighter · 8th February 2023, 12:22 AM

The old former guy hasn't moved back to Twitter yet, but is still posting on Truth* Social
Complaining about the fact that Club for Growth did not invite him to their donor retreat, he posted on the network:

“The Club For NO Growth, an assemblage of political misfits, globalists, and losers, fought me incessantly and rather viciously during my presidential run in 2016,”
“They said I couldn’t win, I did, and won even bigger in 2020, with millions of more votes than ‘16, but the Election was Rigged & Stollen.
“They asked to get together on Endorsements of candidates, we did, and had MANY WINS & NO losses. Relationship broke up over my Endorsement of certain great people in Alabama & Ohio. I won them all!”

All of the other Republicans who could possibly run were invited. Ouch.
I guess that they deserve all the stinging wit that trump could muster in calling them the "Club for NO Growth". The mind boggles.

Segnosaur · 8th February 2023, 12:40 AM

From: The Hill
Melania Trump in October 2019 sat in and watched the U.S. raid that led to the death of ISIS leader... Melania Trump joined several top-ranking officials to watch the raid from the Situation Room.

I know that the spouse of the president probably has to be granted some security clearance (although probably not top secret...). But allowing her to sit in on a major military oversight seems a bit... non-secure.

Susheel · 8th February 2023, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

From: The Hill
Melania Trump in October 2019 sat in and watched the U.S. raid that led to the death of ISIS leader... Melania Trump joined several top-ranking officials to watch the raid from the Situation Room.

I know that the spouse of the president probably has to be granted some security clearance (although probably not top secret...). But allowing her to sit in on a major military oversight seems a bit... non-secure.

I think that was primarily to show his wife how much of a "manly man" he is. I have a feeling that his insecurity and Melania's growing indifference requires demonstrations like this, mainly to feed his own ego rather than for Melania.

Norman Alexander · 8th February 2023, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by Susheel

I think that was primarily to show his wife how much of a "manly man" he is. I have a feeling that his insecurity and Melania's growing indifference requires demonstrations like this, mainly to feed his own ego rather than for Melania.

I suspect it was a more mundane reason than that. He wanted someone he knew won't use big words and get cranky with him to explain to him what was going on with all the TV's and stuff. Or to get the remote to work properly.

welshdean · 8th February 2023, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by TofuFighter

The old former guy hasn't moved back to Twitter yet, but is still posting on Truth* Social
Complaining about the fact that Club for Growth did not invite him to their donor retreat, he posted on the network:

“The Club For NO Growth, an assemblage of political misfits, globalists, and losers, fought me incessantly and rather viciously during my presidential run in 2016,”
“They said I couldn’t win, I did, and won even bigger in 2020, with millions of more votes than ‘16, but the Election was Rigged & Stollen.
“They asked to get together on Endorsements of candidates, we did, and had MANY WINS & NO losses. Relationship broke up over my Endorsement of certain great people in Alabama & Ohio. I won them all!”

All of the other Republicans who could possibly run were invited. Ouch.
I guess that they deserve all the stinging wit that trump could muster in calling them the "Club for NO Growth". The mind boggles.

Mmmm, German cake...

SteveAitch · 8th February 2023, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by welshdean

Mmmm, German cake...

Freudian slip? Can someone check if he has a young, good-looking German woman working for him...

TofuFighter · 8th February 2023, 06:52 AM

Rigged and Stollen sounds like a law firm that might represent him.

Norman Alexander · 8th February 2023, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by BLOATUS

“The Club For NO Growth, an assemblage of political misfits, globalists, and losers, fought me incessantly and rather viciously during my presidential run in 2016,”
“They said I couldn’t win, I did, and won even bigger in 2020, with millions of more votes than ‘16, but the Election was Rigged & Stollen.
“They asked to get together on Endorsements of candidates, we did, and had MANY WINS & NO losses. Relationship broke up over my Endorsement of certain great people in Alabama & Ohio. I won them all!”

I have highlighted the bits I think were added or edited in Donny's original post, which was probably dictated. They sound more like Miller or Gorka than Trump.

Stacyhs · 8th February 2023, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by TofuFighter

Rigged and Stollen sounds like a law firm that might represent him.

welshdean · 8th February 2023, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by TofuFighter

Rigged and Stollen sounds like a law firm that might represent him.

gypsyjackson · 8th February 2023, 05:55 PM

He’s made that Stollen spelling mistake a few times now. Q idiots were trying to analyse the secret ‘comms’, with some saying it represented an L, a loss for Biden at the hands of the White Hats.

Personally, I’m beginning to think maybe this Trump guy isn’t as bright as a cabbage.

Stacyhs · 8th February 2023, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by gypsyjackson

He’s made that Stollen spelling mistake a few times now. Q idiots were trying to analyse the secret ‘comms’, with some saying it represented an L, a loss for Biden at the hands of the White Hats.

Personally, I’m beginning to think maybe this Trump guy isn’t as bright as a cabbage.

One misspelling could be a typo but repeated misspellings are not. But Trump never admits he made a mistake, so "stollen" must be the correct spelling...the best spelling.

Norman Alexander · 9th February 2023, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by gypsyjackson

He’s made that Stollen spelling mistake a few times now. Q idiots were trying to analyse the secret ‘comms’, with some saying it represented an L, a loss for Biden at the hands of the White Hats.

Personally, I’m beginning to think maybe this Trump guy isn’t as bright as a cabbage.

Only just now???

MRC_Hans · 9th February 2023, 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Only just now???

Pssst! ... Your irony meter seems to be off.

Norman Alexander · 9th February 2023, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

Pssst! ... Your irony meter seems to be off.

Pssst! ... I returned serve.

1st February 2023, 03:46 PM	#3322
Mike! Official Ponylandistanian National Treasure. Respect it! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Ponylandistan! Where the bacon grows on trees! Can it get any better than that? I submit it can not! Posts: 49,418	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Rod Serling. Yeah, that guy. I think that picture is a major contender if Night Gallery is ever revived.
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5th February 2023, 07:43 AM	#3323
Tero Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 3,006	This may represent the trend. https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/05/polit...024/index.html However, Trump was able to capture the disgruntled class so the big money had less effect in 2016. But I believe Trump had his moment in 2016. Those voters, the base, affected the outcome in 2020. Now we see the Koch money as more effective than 2016 or 2020.
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5th February 2023, 03:18 PM	#3324
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,624	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Rod Serling. Rod is tripping on the size of Pope Trump's hands. Again, what the hell is that thing? I mean is that painting or whatever...real? People actually think that is like, good? Dude...
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5th February 2023, 07:43 PM	#3325
zorro99 Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,261	Family found dead in Pennsylvania made a 'joint decision' to kill themselves, police say Morgan Daub, 26, and her parents, James Daub, 62, and Deborah Daub, 59, were found dead in the backyard of their home in York County, in what police say was a suicide pact. Feb. 3, 2023, 6:19 PM EST A Pennsylvania family found shot dead in their backyard last week in what police say appears to be a suicide pact, included a mother and daughter who loved bowling and were devout Christian conservatives, people who knew them said. Morgan Daub, 26, and her parents, James Daub, 62, and Deborah Daub, 59, were found dead on the ground in the backyard of their home in York County, Pennsylvania, on the morning of Jan. 25, after police responded to a request for a welfare check from a neighbor. The West Manchester Township Police Department has since said that notes left inside the house indicate that the family recently made a "joint decision" to end their lives. Police believe Deborah Daub shot and killed her husband and then was shot and killed by Morgan, who died by suicide. Police said there were no signs of forced entry or struggle and no evidence that anyone else had been present. Stabley said the Christian, churchgoing family “was never shy about letting anybody know what their beliefs were” when it came to religion and politics. Morgan and Deborah “very, very huge” supporters of former President Donald Trump, Stabley said. “They were just so hell-bent on Trump winning, like this could be in the end if he doesn’t,” Stabley said, referring to an instance when he saw them just before the 2020 election. He said he stopped seeing the two after that. A neighbor, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of personal or professional retaliation in their town, said the family had a "preoccupation with religion, especially on the dad’s part." The family's front yard was also "littered" with Pro-Trump political signs during the elections, and anti-abortion signs when Roe v. Wade was overturned, the neighbor said. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-say-rcna69060
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6th February 2023, 01:04 AM	#3326
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,546	Originally Posted by zorro99 Family found dead in Pennsylvania made a 'joint decision' to kill themselves, police say Morgan Daub, 26, and her parents, James Daub, 62, and Deborah Daub, 59, were found dead in the backyard of their home in York County, in what police say was a suicide pact. Feb. 3, 2023, 6:19 PM EST A Pennsylvania family found shot dead in their backyard last week in what police say appears to be a suicide pact, included a mother and daughter who loved bowling and were devout Christian conservatives, people who knew them said. Morgan Daub, 26, and her parents, James Daub, 62, and Deborah Daub, 59, were found dead on the ground in the backyard of their home in York County, Pennsylvania, on the morning of Jan. 25, after police responded to a request for a welfare check from a neighbor. The West Manchester Township Police Department has since said that notes left inside the house indicate that the family recently made a "joint decision" to end their lives. Police believe Deborah Daub shot and killed her husband and then was shot and killed by Morgan, who died by suicide. Police said there were no signs of forced entry or struggle and no evidence that anyone else had been present. Stabley said the Christian, churchgoing family “was never shy about letting anybody know what their beliefs were” when it came to religion and politics. Morgan and Deborah “very, very huge” supporters of former President Donald Trump, Stabley said. “They were just so hell-bent on Trump winning, like this could be in the end if he doesn’t,” Stabley said, referring to an instance when he saw them just before the 2020 election. He said he stopped seeing the two after that. A neighbor, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of personal or professional retaliation in their town, said the family had a "preoccupation with religion, especially on the dad’s part." The family's front yard was also "littered" with Pro-Trump political signs during the elections, and anti-abortion signs when Roe v. Wade was overturned, the neighbor said. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-say-rcna69060 Rare to find Trump supporters willing to act on their convictions.
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1st February 2023, 01:24 PM	#3321
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,390	Originally Posted by Mike! Remember the show, "Night Gallery"? Rod Serling.

6th February 2023, 01:17 AM	#3327
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,390	Originally Posted by zorro99 >snip< Stabley said the Christian, churchgoing family “was never shy about letting anybody know what their beliefs were” when it came to religion and politics. Morgan and Deborah “very, very huge” supporters of former President Donald Trump, Stabley said. “They were just so hell-bent on Trump winning, like this could be in the end if he doesn’t,” Stabley said, referring to an instance when he saw them just before the 2020 election. He said he stopped seeing the two after that. A neighbor, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of personal or professional retaliation in their town, said the family had a "preoccupation with religion, especially on the dad’s part." The family's front yard was also "littered" with Pro-Trump political signs during the elections, and anti-abortion signs when Roe v. Wade was overturned, the neighbor said. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-say-rcna69060 But it's not a cult. Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Rare to find Trump supporters willing to act on their convictions. Funny, but sadly, not true. Consider all the J6 insurrectionists who acted on their stupid convictions.

6th February 2023, 03:17 AM	#3328
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,546	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Funny, but sadly, not true. Consider all the J6 insurrectionists who acted on their stupid convictions. Hardly a proportional response if you believe that your election was stolen and you now live in a communist NWO dictatorship.
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6th February 2023, 01:20 PM	#3329
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,390	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza Hardly a proportional response if you believe that your election was stolen and you now live in a communist NWO dictatorship. I don't see the point. They were still acting on their convictions, albeit stupid.

6th February 2023, 03:53 PM	#3330
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,232	Originally Posted by zorro99 Family found dead in Pennsylvania made a 'joint decision' to kill themselves, police say Morgan Daub, 26, and her parents, James Daub, 62, and Deborah Daub, 59, were found dead in the backyard of their home in York County, in what police say was a suicide pact. Feb. 3, 2023, 6:19 PM EST A Pennsylvania family found shot dead in their backyard last week in what police say appears to be a suicide pact, included a mother and daughter who loved bowling and were devout Christian conservatives, people who knew them said. Morgan Daub, 26, and her parents, James Daub, 62, and Deborah Daub, 59, were found dead on the ground in the backyard of their home in York County, Pennsylvania, on the morning of Jan. 25, after police responded to a request for a welfare check from a neighbor. The West Manchester Township Police Department has since said that notes left inside the house indicate that the family recently made a "joint decision" to end their lives. Police believe Deborah Daub shot and killed her husband and then was shot and killed by Morgan, who died by suicide. Police said there were no signs of forced entry or struggle and no evidence that anyone else had been present. Stabley said the Christian, churchgoing family “was never shy about letting anybody know what their beliefs were” when it came to religion and politics. Morgan and Deborah “very, very huge” supporters of former President Donald Trump, Stabley said. “They were just so hell-bent on Trump winning, like this could be in the end if he doesn’t,” Stabley said, referring to an instance when he saw them just before the 2020 election. He said he stopped seeing the two after that. A neighbor, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of personal or professional retaliation in their town, said the family had a "preoccupation with religion, especially on the dad’s part." The family's front yard was also "littered" with Pro-Trump political signs during the elections, and anti-abortion signs when Roe v. Wade was overturned, the neighbor said. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...-say-rcna69060 All I can say is three fewer MAGidiots in the world is good.
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6th February 2023, 04:19 PM	#3331
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,778	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander All I can say is three fewer MAGidiots in the world is good. COnsider it Evolution in action. A few less stupid genes to mess up the gene pool.
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6th February 2023, 11:02 PM	#3332
TofuFighter Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 2,964	From what I've read, their suicides were related to other difficulties, including the daughter's mental issues, and their political affiliations were incidental, which makes this arguably off topic. Insensitive comments about their deaths are unnecessary.
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7th February 2023, 01:22 AM	#3333
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,682	Originally Posted by TofuFighter From what I've read, their suicides were related to other difficulties, including the daughter's mental issues, and their political affiliations were incidental, which makes this arguably off topic. Insensitive comments about their deaths are unnecessary. Their suicides may not be related to Trump's recent political defeats. But the question is, did whatever psychological problems which lead to their suicides also cause them to support Trump or did they enter into fandom of his through relatively clear thought processes. Given the rather callous nature of your typical MAGAchud (their "screw your feelings" mantra, labelling those on the political left "snowflakes"), I think it is natural for those who have been the target of right wing vitriol to be less than sympathetic when they encounter their own hardships. Sent from my moto e using Tapatalk
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7th February 2023, 02:50 AM	#3334
MRC_Hans Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 24,380	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Their suicides may not be related to Trump's recent political defeats. But the question is, did whatever psychological problems which lead to their suicides also cause them to support Trump or did they enter into fandom of his through relatively clear thought processes. Given the rather callous nature of your typical MAGAchud (their "screw your feelings" mantra, labelling those on the political left "snowflakes"), I think it is natural for those who have been the target of right wing vitriol to be less than sympathetic when they encounter their own hardships. Sent from my moto e using Tapatalk For certain definitions of 'clear', surely? Hans
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7th February 2023, 10:12 AM	#3335
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 17,385	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander All I can say is three fewer MAGidiots in the world is good. No, not really. Three MAGidiots realizing that they were wrong and embracing and dealing with reality would be good. Originally Posted by dudalb COnsider it Evolution in action. A few less stupid genes to mess up the gene pool. Am I right in assuming that this is your centrist genes talking? (Genes aren't stupid. (Some) people are.) Originally Posted by TofuFighter From what I've read, their suicides were related to other difficulties, including the daughter's mental issues, and their political affiliations were incidental, which makes this arguably off topic. Insensitive comments about their deaths are unnecessary.
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7th February 2023, 12:03 PM	#3336
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 34,263	Originally Posted by dann No, not really. Three MAGidiots realizing that they were wrong and embracing and dealing with reality would be good. Am I right in assuming that this is your centrist genes talking? (Genes aren't stupid. (Some) people are.) Agreed here. The real victory, the one that will make a real difference, will happen when minds change, not when people die.
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7th February 2023, 03:27 PM	#3337
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,390	Originally Posted by TofuFighter From what I've read, their suicides were related to other difficulties, including the daughter's mental issues, and their political affiliations were incidental, which makes this arguably off topic. Insensitive comments about their deaths are unnecessary. I think their religious and political beliefs were heavily intertwined. Someone who knew them said the family was “'never shy about letting anybody know what their beliefs were' when it came to religion and politics" and "that Deborah Daub and her daughter were 'hell-bent on Trump winning' the 2020 election, adding: 'Like this could be the end if he doesn't.'"

7th February 2023, 04:25 PM	#3338
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,232	Originally Posted by bruto Agreed here. The real victory, the one that will make a real difference, will happen when minds change, not when people die. I'm going to respectfully disagree. These people are NOT going to change their minds. They would rather die than change their minds, in this example. I've gotten beyond exasperation with them, frankly. I do realise they have personal issues, but don't we all. Some of us have far bigger and often more momentous personal issues to deal with than these people. And yet we do not descend to thinking that the return of Donald Trump as POTUS is going to solve them all. So if these people decide that offing themselves with their own gawd-given guns is the only option they think they have to Donald being re-crowned then I won't stand in their way and I wish them well on their journey to paradise. Meanwhile, the world will be bereft of one more group of Trump-nuts that it never needed. And that is a nett gain.
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7th February 2023, 04:40 PM	#3339
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,390	Frankly, when Trump dies I'm going to celebrate.

7th February 2023, 04:44 PM	#3340
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,624	Originally Posted by bruto Agreed here. The real victory, the one that will make a real difference, will happen when minds change, not when people die. If you kill yourself and family over this stuff then your mind is not going to be changed. This is true devotion. Not a lot of critical thought going on there. "They loved bowling, were devout Christian conservatives and very very loyal Trump supporters." It is tragic that my sympathy for such people has been stolen by the Republican Party. I care about the country, and I care that the Republicans and American conservatism does this to people. But I cannot separate the believers from the party anymore. I have little sympathy for them, if any. A bunch of mindless zombies who want to end democracy are exactly that, regardless of how they got there and who they are, including my own family. I'm not saying I am right to feel this way, I am saying this is what is happening. I care about the effect these people are having on our country, I do not care about them personally one bit.
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7th February 2023, 06:28 PM	#3341
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 34,263	I realize it's pie in the sky to expect many minds to change. It's what I wish not what I expect.
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7th February 2023, 06:33 PM	#3342
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,624	Originally Posted by bruto I realize it's pie in the sky to expect many minds to change. It's what I wish not what I expect. I know I hear you bro. Me too.
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7th February 2023, 09:34 PM	#3343
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The old Same place Posts: 10,787	Originally Posted by Stacyhs Frankly, when Trump dies I'm going to celebrate. I fully expect on that day bars across America will quickly run short of beer, liquor, and wine and resort to serving Clorox.
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7th February 2023, 09:37 PM	#3344
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,682	Bwhaaa ha ha ha!!!!! From: Yahoo News Former President Donald Trump escalated his attacks on Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Tuesday, seizing on a story that his rival for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination partied with underage students when he worked as a teacher...Trump reposted a photograph originally posted by a Truth Social member...The image showed what appeared to be DeSantis flanked by three young women that had been captioned, "Here is Ron DeSanctimonious grooming high school girls with alcohol as a teacher." Ha ha ha ha!!!! Republicans decided to stand by Trump and now he's showing he's willing to pretty much burn the party to the ground. And even if Trump fails to win the primary, his attacks will probably ruin any chance of the eventual nominee in the general election. (I wonder if Moscow Mitch is secretly praying that the DoJ or Georgia DA get around to pressing charges against Trump, just to limit the damage he might do.)
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7th February 2023, 09:38 PM	#3345
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,682	Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin Quote: Frankly, when Trump dies I'm going to celebrate. I fully expect on that day bars across America will quickly run short of beer, liquor, and wine and resort to serving Clorox. Why, do you think there will be an outbreak of covid?
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8th February 2023, 12:22 AM	#3346
TofuFighter Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 2,964	The old former guy hasn't moved back to Twitter yet, but is still posting on Truth* Social Complaining about the fact that Club for Growth did not invite him to their donor retreat, he posted on the network: “The Club For NO Growth, an assemblage of political misfits, globalists, and losers, fought me incessantly and rather viciously during my presidential run in 2016,” “They said I couldn’t win, I did, and won even bigger in 2020, with millions of more votes than ‘16, but the Election was Rigged & Stollen. “They asked to get together on Endorsements of candidates, we did, and had MANY WINS & NO losses. Relationship broke up over my Endorsement of certain great people in Alabama & Ohio. I won them all!” All of the other Republicans who could possibly run were invited. Ouch. I guess that they deserve all the stinging wit that trump could muster in calling them the "Club for NO Growth". The mind boggles.
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8th February 2023, 12:40 AM	#3347
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,682	From: The Hill Melania Trump in October 2019 sat in and watched the U.S. raid that led to the death of ISIS leader... Melania Trump joined several top-ranking officials to watch the raid from the Situation Room. I know that the spouse of the president probably has to be granted some security clearance (although probably not top secret...). But allowing her to sit in on a major military oversight seems a bit... non-secure.
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8th February 2023, 01:58 AM	#3348
Susheel Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hyderabad, India Posts: 3,086	Originally Posted by Segnosaur From: The Hill Melania Trump in October 2019 sat in and watched the U.S. raid that led to the death of ISIS leader... Melania Trump joined several top-ranking officials to watch the raid from the Situation Room. I know that the spouse of the president probably has to be granted some security clearance (although probably not top secret...). But allowing her to sit in on a major military oversight seems a bit... non-secure. I think that was primarily to show his wife how much of a "manly man" he is. I have a feeling that his insecurity and Melania's growing indifference requires demonstrations like this, mainly to feed his own ego rather than for Melania.
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8th February 2023, 02:14 AM	#3349
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,232	Originally Posted by Susheel I think that was primarily to show his wife how much of a "manly man" he is. I have a feeling that his insecurity and Melania's growing indifference requires demonstrations like this, mainly to feed his own ego rather than for Melania. I suspect it was a more mundane reason than that. He wanted someone he knew won't use big words and get cranky with him to explain to him what was going on with all the TV's and stuff. Or to get the remote to work properly.
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8th February 2023, 02:21 AM	#3350
welshdean Michael McDonald 1967 - 2021 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,343	Originally Posted by TofuFighter The old former guy hasn't moved back to Twitter yet, but is still posting on Truth* Social Complaining about the fact that Club for Growth did not invite him to their donor retreat, he posted on the network: “The Club For NO Growth, an assemblage of political misfits, globalists, and losers, fought me incessantly and rather viciously during my presidential run in 2016,” “They said I couldn’t win, I did, and won even bigger in 2020, with millions of more votes than ‘16, but the Election was Rigged & Stollen. “They asked to get together on Endorsements of candidates, we did, and had MANY WINS & NO losses. Relationship broke up over my Endorsement of certain great people in Alabama & Ohio. I won them all!” All of the other Republicans who could possibly run were invited. Ouch. I guess that they deserve all the stinging wit that trump could muster in calling them the "Club for NO Growth". The mind boggles. Mmmm, German cake...
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8th February 2023, 04:01 AM	#3351
SteveAitch Muse Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: St Aines Posts: 755	Originally Posted by welshdean Mmmm, German cake... Freudian slip? Can someone check if he has a young, good-looking German woman working for him...
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8th February 2023, 06:52 AM	#3352
TofuFighter Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 2,964	Rigged and Stollen sounds like a law firm that might represent him.
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8th February 2023, 12:08 PM	#3353
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,232	Originally Posted by BLOATUS “The Club For NO Growth, an assemblage of political misfits, globalists, and losers, fought me incessantly and rather viciously during my presidential run in 2016,” “They said I couldn’t win, I did, and won even bigger in 2020, with millions of more votes than ‘16, but the Election was Rigged & Stollen. “They asked to get together on Endorsements of candidates, we did, and had MANY WINS & NO losses. Relationship broke up over my Endorsement of certain great people in Alabama & Ohio. I won them all!” I have highlighted the bits I think were added or edited in Donny's original post, which was probably dictated. They sound more like Miller or Gorka than Trump.
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8th February 2023, 02:42 PM	#3354
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 29,390	Originally Posted by TofuFighter Rigged and Stollen sounds like a law firm that might represent him.

8th February 2023, 02:57 PM	#3355
welshdean Michael McDonald 1967 - 2021 Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4,343	Originally Posted by TofuFighter Rigged and Stollen sounds like a law firm that might represent him.
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