Alien Visitation Contact Proof

[cjdelphi]

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

If it's unexplainable why are you trying to convince us that you have an explanation?

It fits...

[cjdelphi]

Originally Posted by Craig4

Dude, WTF are you talking about? Light Speed is not that kind of law. You don't just break it and get a ticket.

How do you explain quantum entanglement?

[cjdelphi]

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

You keep bringing up familiar UFO stories as if we never heard of them. Those navy tictac gimbal etc videos have been very well explained, including in a video which was posted in this thread a few days ago. You may decline to watch it but here's the thing: we've watched it.

So every time you lay another tired old busted UFO story out there as a gotcha it doesn't make you look like someone who's done their research. It makes you look like another gullible mug who hasn't seen through it yet.

So 2 peoples word means the navy is wrong and the government is wrong and everyone is wrong because 2 people say so despite all the evidence Japanese airlines, rendlesham, Phoenix lights... all caused by brown outs and swamp gas lol

It gets funnier by the year

[cjdelphi]

Originally Posted by Darat

A common theme is that the claimants will claim the aliens are using our current cutting edge technology for example: "...My theory .....it's an ion propulsion system people claim they hang around fresh water sources collecting hydrogen".

No aliens are using technology from 1980 LOL

[cjdelphi]

Originally Posted by Pixel42

People with far more relevant expertise than I possess have analysed these videos and found none that can only be explained by alien technology, as you would know if your "research" was not so severely limited by your bias.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentag...l_explanations




Colour me unimpressed.

That's my point proof isn't good enough for you never will, so why ask for proof you will never accept even when it comes from ths us government!

[Carrot Flower King]

I have pix of the Rendlesham "UFO"...It wasn't working very well at the time, what with having been de-commissioned, but you can't have everything.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

No aliens are using technology from 1980 LOL

Are you now changing your claim?

[Pixel42]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

So 2 peoples word means the navy is wrong and the government is wrong

Show me where the US Navy or the US Government have stated that these videos are evidence of, let alone proof of, alien visitations. The most they've ever done is acknowledge that cannot always be completely ruled out as an explanation, which is a perfectly reasonable position to take.

As I already said, I do not have sufficient relevant expertise to analyse such videos. Clearly, neither do you. The 2 people you disparage, who cast doubt on the imaginative interpretations of these videos by you and those like you, do.

Unlike you I am capable of recognising my own limitations, and deferring to those whose specialised knowledge and understanding is far superior to mine.

[Jack by the hedge]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

So 2 peoples word means the navy is wrong ...

It's this scant attention to detail which truly makes me wonder about your work with logic devices.

The US navy does not say their videos show alien craft. Nor that they show feats beyond mundane explanation. Pointing out that the videos are mundane is not saying the navy is wrong. They made no claim that the videos show anything exotic.

The very fact that they call the gimbal video "gimbal" is a great big slap-in-the-face clue that they know perfectly well what causes the effects shown in the video. But it's not their job to tell the public what their own analysis is. So we get idiots breathlessly telling us about the capabilities of flying saucers that aren't in the video.

[Pixel42]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

That's my point proof isn't good enough for you never will, so why ask for proof you will never accept even when it comes from ths us government!

No proof has yet come from the US government. No objective evidence has yet come from the US government. The only thing that has come from the US government is some videos which they have been unable to fully account for, and put out there for those with the necessary expertise to analyse if they wish. The fact that many people who do not have the necessary expertise to analyse them have insisted on doing so anyway and written all sorts of imaginative nonsense about them is not the fault of the US government.

If any objective evidence ever does come from the US government, or indeed anyone else, I will be delighted, and eager to both examine it myself and hear the experts' views on it. Until then, continue to colour me unimpressed.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Mojo

But then you also know full well what the “Large Hydrogen Collider” is.

And that the speed of electric is 186,000 miles per hour.

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

How do you explain quantum entanglement?

I don't. It's not my thing. It's obviously not your thing either. I suspect there are people here who could help you out with it if you asked nicely but you appear impervious to education.

My point remains. If an alien civilization has figured out how to travel here by getting around the light speed barrier we're ****** in more ways than just an anal probe. An electrician of increasingly dubious qualification is not going to save us from being abducted.

[cjdelphi]

Originally Posted by Darat

Are you now changing your claim?

lmao

[Jack by the hedge]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

How do you explain quantum entanglement?

I don't. But I'm just an electronic engineer and not a physicist.

If you're actually interested, there are a large number of threads on the topic in this forum. Try an Advanced Search for threads with "entanglement" in the title.

[Craig4]

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...9#post13875919

I consider this some of my best work.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

lmao

You've realised that claiming the aliens are using ion drives is funny.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Darat

You've realised that claiming the aliens are using ion drives is funny.

How dare you! The latest ion drives are what brought us here from a small planet somewhere in the vicinity of Betelgeuse (DA). Took only 640 years at the speed of light (186,000 mph ), too.

[cjdelphi]

Originally Posted by Pixel42

Show me where the US Navy or the US Government have stated that these videos are evidence of, let alone proof of, alien visitations. The most they've ever done is acknowledge that cannot always be completely ruled out as an explanation, which is a perfectly reasonable position to take.

As I already said, I do not have sufficient relevant expertise to analyse such videos. Clearly, neither do you. The 2 people you disparage, who cast doubt on the imaginative interpretations of these videos by you and those like you, do.

Unlike you I am capable of recognising my own limitations, and deferring to those whose specialised knowledge and understanding is far superior to mine.

You clearly are not use logic to answer your question

Are aliens out there? Yes
Is the navy chasing objects faster and more superior.. yes

Now I know they are because navy personnel have said so and they have little to gain except loss of career

So what is it the navy chases?

Hint Not weather balloon venus or swap gas.

So we know advanced technology is in our airspace, the more intelligent ones among you say government spy operations which is a damn sight closer than a brown out or a bat

Right so that leaves chinese tech and Russian tech, the Russians are using unencrypted channels over $20 chinese boafang wireless radios you can buy on ebay and Amazon

They are struggling to take Ukraine their tanks get stuck so whis next, china? Why haven't they taken Taiwan?

American... what dumb ass would allow leaked footage of highly classified highly secret craft that makes the navy and airforce look like 1930s fighter planes, any human onboard would die from what these craft do and allow the public to see it? No have a ufo Congress meeting in 50 years? Ask pilots to come forward

https://youtu.be/xx4x2L0TKGc

Nick pope when working for MoD pissed off the American government starting a diplomatic spat because a freedom of information request was granted and they said no, it's not theirs so nick asked again through an unofficial channel and the US went ballistic over it


So based on everything I've seen and read the US government does not have this technology they would be called off chasing UAPs if the government owned them ?

So if it's not chinese not russian not American that the navy chases that leaves only 2 possible answers, alien craft or future human craft, logic gives a clean answer to the problem here regardless of what lack of evidence you have to prove they can't be here....

[Steve]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

You clearly are not use logic to answer your question

Logic: I saw some odd lights, therefore aliens.

[cjdelphi]

Originally Posted by Pixel42

Show me where the US Navy or the US Government have stated that these videos are evidence of, let alone proof of, alien visitations. The most they've ever done is acknowledge that cannot always be completely ruled out as an explanation, which is a perfectly reasonable position to take.

As I already said, I do not have sufficient relevant expertise to analyse such videos. Clearly, neither do you. The 2 people you disparage, who cast doubt on the imaginative interpretations of these videos by you and those like you, do.

Unlike you I am capable of recognising my own limitations, and deferring to those whose specialised knowledge and understanding is far superior to mine.

Originally Posted by Steve

How dare you! The latest ion drives are what brought us here from a small planet somewhere in the vicinity of Betelgeuse (DA). Took only 640 years at the speed of light (186,000 mph ), too.

My understanding of advanced technology ends at the limit if our own human understanding, an ion drive explains that blue light or flame the police officer saw with the blast of wind

How they travel through space might be as simple as traveling into a bubble or hole which uses Quantum entanglement ..

Are you saying in 2022 humans are never going to get more advanced? Technology innovation and discoveries over with are they? We have advanced as much as we can have we?

In the future robots will work 2x as hard as humans do and 24hours 7 days a week no complaints no pay rises, one day only 10% of the population will actually do any work, humans will be paid to have kids go on holiday

We will walk down a street with augmented glasses and you will see 3D animations of spam, have a coke and it spins a cola around in front of you, people pay for digital fashion, you see the trees animate and the sun smile

People will eventually wear bland white clothing and computer generation brings your hair to life, makes bald people not bald, you see a little screen with video calls, move your head for another screen, you break down in the car

The glasses show you what to check how much fluid is there, how to change it etc etc along with a video call window and you telling it to call a mechanic while waiting you look down onto a flat surface and you can bring up a board game and play chess virtually walk along the shops with 3d animations telling you to buy their products

The grass sways and dances even without any wind, your car runs on hydrogen cartridges a laser activates and releases hydrogen and you simply swap cartridges and travel 3k on it

This world will be like that in about 200 years and that's where the limit of my imagination takes me, I see where are now and I see where we are heading I take all the technology we know and put it to use, we are just far far far away still

I like the truth unlike a mystery and this light and sound I caught is just that, only alien visitation or future human visitation makes sense nothing more nothing less

Nothing else takes out the power makes the light and that sound, Nada, niet, nu

[cjdelphi]

Originally Posted by Steve

Logic: I saw some odd lights, therefore aliens.

How original never heard that before..


Can't explain it better ridicule him as I'm scared of aliens doing this so I'll just pretend they don't and ridicule a person for no reason

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

My understanding of advanced technology ends at the limit if our own human understanding, an ion drive explains that blue light or flame the police officer saw with the blast of wind

How they travel through space might be as simple as traveling into a bubble or hole which uses Quantum entanglement ..

Are you saying in 2022 humans are never going to get more advanced? Technology innovation and discoveries over with are they? We have advanced as much as we can have we?

In the future robots will work 2x as hard as humans do and 24hours 7 days a week no complaints no pay rises, one day only 10% of the population will actually do any work, humans will be paid to have kids go on holiday

We will walk down a street with augmented glasses and you will see 3D animations of spam, have a coke and it spins a cola around in front of you, people pay for digital fashion, you see the trees animate and the sun smile

People will eventually wear bland white clothing and computer generation brings your hair to life, makes bald people not bald, you see a little screen with video calls, move your head for another screen, you break down in the car

The glasses show you what to check how much fluid is there, how to change it etc etc along with a video call window and you telling it to call a mechanic while waiting you look down onto a flat surface and you can bring up a board game and play chess virtually walk along the shops with 3d animations telling you to buy their products

The grass sways and dances even without any wind, your car runs on hydrogen cartridges a laser activates and releases hydrogen and you simply swap cartridges and travel 3k on it

This world will be like that in about 200 years and that's where the limit of my imagination takes me, I see where are now and I see where we are heading I take all the technology we know and put it to use, we are just far far far away still

I like the truth unlike a mystery and this light and sound I caught is just that, only alien visitation or future human visitation makes sense nothing more nothing less

Nothing else takes out the power makes the light and that sound, Nada, niet, nu

I highlighted everywhere you said you have no evidence. No need to thank me.

[Jack by the hedge]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

You clearly are not use logic to answer your question
[...]

So if it's not chinese not russian not American that the navy chases that leaves only 2 possible answers, alien craft or future human craft

You clearly "are not use logic".

Obviously it does not leave only 2 possible answers. For example, people (even professional aviators) sometimes misconstrue what they are seeing. Imagining an object to be nearer or further than it really is, for example.

Again, you may refuse to watch the video you were offered that gives a very persuasive explanation for the gimbal etc videos, but to people who have seen such explanations, you just look wilfully ignorant when you continue to claim they show amazing feats of flying.

[cjdelphi]

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

You clearly "are not use logic".

Obviously it does not leave only 2 possible answers. For example, people (even professional aviators) sometimes misconstrue what they are seeing. Imagining an object to be nearer or further than it really is, for example.

Again, you may refuse to watch the video you were offered that gives a very persuasive explanation for the gimbal etc videos, but to people who have seen such explanations, you just look wilfully ignorant when you continue to claim they show amazing feats of flying.

“When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

Unless you saw something different and heard something different to everyone else, it was not venus you see lighting up my path making the sound, give me one good reason why we hear that sound? Why not corruption like when a digital compressed stream breaks up

Why does it sound like a bar code check out machine??

Venus doesn't take out the power... what do you know that can do both?

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

“When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

Unless you saw something different and heard something different to everyone else, it was not venus you see lighting up my path making the sound, give me one good reason why we hear that sound? Why not corruption like when a digital compressed stream breaks up

Why does it sound like a bar code check out machine??

Venus doesn't take out the power... what do you know that can do both?

Seriously dude, get a grip. Your "work" is nowhere close to good enough to claim to have done what's highlighted.

[cjdelphi]

Originally Posted by Craig4

I highlighted everywhere you said you have no evidence. No need to thank me.

I gave you the video, what's that? You avoid evidence and wait to ridicule them for something completely unrelated

[cjdelphi]

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

It's this scant attention to detail which truly makes me wonder about your work with logic devices.

The US navy does not say their videos show alien craft. Nor that they show feats beyond mundane explanation. Pointing out that the videos are mundane is not saying the navy is wrong. They made no claim that the videos show anything exotic.

The very fact that they call the gimbal video "gimbal" is a great big slap-in-the-face clue that they know perfectly well what causes the effects shown in the video. But it's not their job to tell the public what their own analysis is. So we get idiots breathlessly telling us about the capabilities of flying saucers that aren't in the video.

Your opinion only

[cjdelphi]

Originally Posted by Craig4

Seriously dude, get a grip. Your "work" is nowhere close to good enough to claim to have done what's highlighted.

So you're saying there could be many reasons for it, you just don't know any of them and you the one you do know is wrong is mine

Not arrogant or ignorant at all!

[Jack by the hedge]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

“When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

Unless you saw something different and heard something different to everyone else, it was not venus you see lighting up my path making the sound, give me one good reason why we hear that sound? Why not corruption like when a digital compressed stream breaks up

Why does it sound like a bar code check out machine??

Venus doesn't take out the power... what do you know that can do both?

That Conan Doyle quote isn't a law of nature. It's a literary device to make his smart protagonist sound smart. Real life is not a logic puzzle or parlour game with a fixed list of possibities to tick off one by one.

I already gave you my opinion of the audio glitch. It's corrupted data which happened at a place in the audio stream where it got further processed by some filter into something which sounds like an oscillation. If it had happened elsewhere it might just have manifested as a click or splat.

Why did you tell us the power is super reliable in your region when in fact it seems there are so many dozens of power cuts per year caused by bats that the problem makes the TV news? Any reason you decided to conceal that?

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

So you're saying there could be many reasons for it, you just don't know any of them and you the one you do know is wrong is mine

Not arrogant or ignorant at all!

Arrogant? Yes and odd you're just noticing that. As far as ignorant, yes and you are too. You don't know what the other explanations are. You just picked an explanation you like. You've applied no rigor, no discipline, and conducted no actual research. You want to have been abducted by aliens so you fit your facts around what you wanted to happen.

[cjdelphi]

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

That Conan Doyle quote isn't a law of nature. It's a literary device to make his smart protagonist sound smart. Real life is not a logic puzzle or parlour game with a fixed list of possibities to tick off one by one.

I already gave you my opinion of the audio glitch. It's corrupted data which happened at a place in the audio stream where it got further processed by some filter into something which sounds like an oscillation. If it had happened elsewhere it might just have manifested as a click or splat.

Why did you tell us the power is super reliable in your region when in fact it seems there are so many dozens of power cuts per year caused by bats that the problem makes the TV news? Any reason you decided to conceal that?

So the light beam making that sound the moment it hits the path and I mean the exact same time as the light strikes the webcam that sound comes on, not 5 seconds earlier with a possible power surge in 5 seconds the capacitors in most electronics will be drained if they are switched on off and the caps will slowly drain unless there's a a resistor in parallel with It


If it was a glitch 5 seconds earlier with any magnetic pulse occurring you would have had me.... I would have to agree, but 5 seconds later or 5000ms later is such a long time even for a 555 timer running at it's maximum frequency

[jsfisher]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

Do you know how many posts I've relied to..

Best typo ever!!!

[Jack by the hedge]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

So the light beam making that sound...

No. A light beam did not make that sound.

[Pixel42]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

You clearly are not use logic to answer your question

You clearly are not using logic to answer any of your questions, just wishful thinking.

Quote:

Are aliens out there? Yes

"Maybe" is the only honest answer to this question.

Quote:

Is the navy chasing objects faster and more superior.. yes

Again, "maybe" is the only honest answer. The Navy has observed (and in some cases recorded video of) objects which may be faster and more superior, but that is just one of many possible explanations of those observations. Those with the necessary expertise to analyse the videos and observations are mostly of the opinion that more mundane explanations are more likely.

[cjdelphi]

Originally Posted by Craig4

Arrogant? Yes and odd you're just noticing that. As far as ignorant, yes and you are too. You don't know what the other explanations are. You just picked an explanation you like. You've applied no rigor, no discipline, and conducted no actual research. You want to have been abducted by aliens so you fit your facts around what you wanted to happen.

Why don't you list all the hypothetical it could be.

Light across the street, no, not without lighting up the tree,
Brown out, unless only my 1 outdoor brief lighted up with no other lights...

That is the paranormal talk

Helicopter? Plane? Make noise would be heard

Lightning? Sky is dark

Transformers all fall with sparks and noise and we have brown outs, not that the lines and power came on an hour later

Power coming back on as the relay tries, again, not without lighting the entire street you don't and certainly not one bulb

A person sky diving, maybe, but his flashlight wouldn't take out the power or make that sound

Ghost, no

Angel's, no

Paranormal no

That leaves aliens who are visiting and are here we have chased them or it's future human tech unless you can think up another possibility for me to consider, you telling me it's not aliens is stupid, if you want to do that, find me an article saying aliens from another planet can't get here because science says it can not

If you can't offer up something better... my theory stays open until it's disproved by an investigator who does this for a living and by a panel of experts

[Jack by the hedge]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

... 5 seconds later or 5000ms later is such a long time even for a 555 timer running at it's maximum frequency

You can make a 5 minute timer with a 555, let alone 5 seconds but a more interesting matter is, if there wasn't an attempted reconnect at the time of the flickering lights then why wasn't there?

Your pointed lack of interest in that question is suspicious.

[Olmstead]

A bat caused a power outage. There was the illusion of a brighter spot on a tree because lighting conditions had suddenly changed. A few seconds later a recloser tested the circuit. Due to the short test time, only some of the lights had time to come back on. A device in your house also turned on for a second and made a strange noise.

You simply aren't educated enough to understand how reclosers work.

[Gamolon]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

I have spent the last 5 months looking for an explanation that fits it does not, I have ruled it all out

Yeah, you ruled EVERYTHING out.

Just like after 5 months of you "researching everything" you still believed the missing second in the video was supposedly time distortion caused by your being transported/abducted by aliens.

Only to find out it was the camera/software glitching as was seen in other videos where NO "search beam" was present.

[cjdelphi]

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

You can make a 5 minute timer with a 555, let alone 5 seconds but a more interesting matter is, if there wasn't an attempted reconnect at the time of the flickering lights then why wasn't there?

Your pointed lack of interest in that question is suspicious.

You confuse overwhelmed with questions and ignorance

The times datasheet from Texas instruments says 2mhz lol, it's funny because there's no way I got close to that ... but a reasonable 200khz or 200,000h times a second it's internal flip flop comparator , drain pins can operate comfortably

5 seconds is eternity and any cap In use wouldn't have the power to supply 5 seconds, a good power supply without any load like a laptop power supply will take 4 or 5 seconds to discharge but with a load less than a second for any laptop

.. I don't know why there was not a reconnect because I don't see anything come on I don't hear the microwave beep I don't see the camera adjusting brightness because the smart lights came on, the camera never adjusted for any of it because it was too dark, the infra red on it is disable with it on you can't see anything, any traffic would be seen or heard on the video as it's 1 way in and a 1 way out, at the back nothing would be seen or heard from where the camera is

Lack of microwave beep, lack of lights coming on, lack of any power sounds, fridge compressor indicates no sign of power ever coming back on...


I don't own the power lines I'm not a an electrician to answer why they relay didn't or failed to, all I know is if we did see the relay make contact and deliver power, we would have seen or heard it on the video, what we get is a strange light and sound and nothing on the video being heard except me or the wife briefly snoring a second or two before the power drops then the fridge compressor dropping out

I don't hear the microwave coming on or the fridge clicking as delays before the thermostat kicks in, I don't see any light reflect from this side of the window either suggesting no power ever came back on either inside or outside and the video to me proves that 100%

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by cjdelphi

Why don't you list all the hypothetical it could be.

Light across the street, no, not without lighting up the tree,
Brown out, unless only my 1 outdoor brief lighted up with no other lights...

That is the paranormal talk

Helicopter? Plane? Make noise would be heard

Lightning? Sky is dark

Transformers all fall with sparks and noise and we have brown outs, not that the lines and power came on an hour later

Power coming back on as the relay tries, again, not without lighting the entire street you don't and certainly not one bulb

A person sky diving, maybe, but his flashlight wouldn't take out the power or make that sound

Ghost, no

Angel's, no

Paranormal no

That leaves aliens who are visiting and are here we have chased them or it's future human tech unless you can think up another possibility for me to consider, you telling me it's not aliens is stupid, if you want to do that, find me an article saying aliens from another planet can't get here because science says it can not

If you can't offer up something better... my theory stays open until it's disproved by an investigator who does this for a living and by a panel of experts

Why? I'm not making a claim.

I also note that you left out the possibility that you're a liar. Occam's Razor says that's more likely than an alien.