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#1001 |
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Ah, well, we get the ones who set off travelling millions of years ago when their species was just advanced enough to do that but otherwise as stupid as we are.
We don't see the clever ones who stayed home and genetically engineered themselves over millions of years to be transcendently brilliant. I mean those guys are here too as they can cross galaxies at a thought, but they're way too smart to reveal themselves. They're here studying their own dumb-as-rocks relatives as much as they are studying us. Don't tell them I told you. The mice would be furious. |
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#1002 |
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What we're seeing here is what happens when a deeply held belief runs headlong into a group of people who don't share that belief. cjdelphi has spent years honing his narrative of extraterrestrial beings visiting Earth and on occasion abducting humans to learn more about them. Believing he has proof of this, he's posted it here for all to see ... and got a decidedly unenthusiastic response. So it's very natural and not at all unexpected that he launches a strong defense, most of which is shown to be wanting.
With information available about electrical reclosers, the effects of transient voltages on various lighting systems, and the limitations of consumer-grade surveillance cameras, I believe there's enough information available to explain the posted video in terms other than aliens. Indeed, even the the offered explanations don't 100% cover everything the video has to show, it's still a very long jump to conclude aliens caused the unexplained parts. cjdelphi, as others have noted, in the better part of twenty years on the forum we've seen these discussions not only with regards to aliens, but to Sasquatch/Yeti/bigfoot, angels, ghosts, young earth creationism, and co-called psychic mediums. The evidence for all of these is poor, fails to stand up to scrutiny, and usually can be explained by not having to invoke the paranormal. Any argument you make against paranormal beliefs that aren't restricted to aliens holds up equally well against aliens, but your considerable investment in them makes you, at best, unwilling to consider that, and at worst unable to. It's not fun having your ideas challenged. You have the beginnings of skeptical inquiry in your rejection of bigfoot and ghosts, but aren't willing to apply those same criteria to UFOs/UAP and alien visitation. Proper skeptical inquiry requires that you do so. Otherwise all you end up with is a bunch of special pleading as to why your particular belief is true when all the others aren't. |
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The social illusion reigns to-day upon all the heaped-up ruins of the past, and to it belongs the future. The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Gustav Le Bon, The Crowd, 1895 (from the French) |
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#1004 |
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#1005 |
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That is because it is currently just in early planning development. You will notice the claimant (who I refuse to address directly at this time, due to their immature behaviour on this thread) has not responded to you. Arthwollipot did get a response for his question: To which he was given this reference: https://ec.europa.eu/research-and-in...hree-times-big I replied to arthwollipot with this post:
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So, our brave purveyor of truths we are blind to (that's sarcasm for the cognitively challenged) has no desire to admit their original claim on the subject is as inaccurate as saying the Apollo missions have "already" been superseded by manned missions to Mars. Of course, I am also open to the suggestion that the pretendant cannot adequately fathom the concept in the context in which it was presented. |
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#1006 |
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Unexplainable to you. You don't like the explanations so you discard them to protect your ego from suffering the loss of a belief.
Cjdelphi, I hope you stick around cause I think you could definitely grow as a critical thinker. First and foremost you must learn that *you* have the burden of proof, it is not up to us to disprove anything you believe because it is impossible to disprove a negative, like me asking you to prove I don't really have an invisible dragon under my bed. And when others debunk it it isn't good enough for you, which brings us back to it is *your* burden to prove, not the other way around. I've been a skeptic and fascinated with the paranormal since childhood, which blossomed after I saw Randi on a NOVA episode ripping apart astrology and spoon-bending. But critical thinking is an ongoing exercise, you don't just stop and then assume anything left that you can't explain must be aliens. The key is for you to divorce yourself from your own romantic beliefs and accept that science and objectivity is more important than your subjective experience. For example, I've had a longtime fascination with Bigfoot, even wrote a book about it 20 years ago. I researched all the sightings and came to the personal conclusion that witnesses most definitely were not lying, many sincerely believed they saw Bigfoot. So, since objective evidence (a body, or even clear footage) was lacking, some other phenomena must account for their beliefs--probably psychological. But trying to put myself into their shoes, I wondered if *I* had an experience and actually saw Bigfoot--would I be convinced of my own senses? Ten years ago, I posed that question to the forum and most skeptics here said "No"--don't trust your senses, the objective lack of evidence rules. At the time I found that response presumptuous and a bit offensive. If you can't trust your own senses, then what can you trust? The answer of course, is objective evidence--science. In absence of that, it is far more likely that your subjective experience is simply wrong. You may wish it to be that science is wrong and it just hasn't caught up to your enlightened opinion, but that is just your wish, it is worthless as far as our species knowledge and evolution is concerned. So you may want to take that example to heart when you presumptuously claim that your experience *only* can be explained by aliens, since no one has adequately explained to *your* satisfaction how it could not be. |
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Since the power was on with the first beam of light
Do you agree it's not the power coming on or any of the lights behind this blue patch of light? It's also obvious now the color temperature of this search beam is extremely cool white on the spectrum, giving that blue, no bulb on the estate has that tint even if the light was responsible.. Despite the power being on when we see it and again 5 second later with all the power clean out logic dictates a light source that lit this up can't be on this estate or we would have seen it with frame before the time skip We would see it 24/7 we don't it's no glitch as it's the same identical light lighting up the same identical leaves .. it was an external light source from a craft (nothing else explains it) and it happened twice Since I've come here I have discovered this and I have discovered the light beam when on the ground it casts the same shadows as my own light source, that means the light beam intensity stopped outside my window nobody else or the shadows would be different... Combined with this new discovery, a craft using precisely the same entry position to get down low and same entry path makes sense why we see the same light lighting up the same identical leaves If it wasn't for the fact the camera adjusted light sensitivity levels , and the power hadn't dropped yet for us to see that, but I'm willing to put money on light being seen on the trees and roofs 60 meters away like we do on the second search beam I think I have ruled out our own light sources behind this now, that blue lights no where to be seen on any video ever... |
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A bat getting fried to produce that light and the light 5 seconds later means high intensity energy discharge, that includes a nice whip and crack aound along with a nice good brown out all the lights flickering and you would most definitely hear it and see it... so would the entire state with that kind of event
None of that happened and does not fit the theory... https://youtu.be/zhq-biENbOY The only thing that could fit is that blue light being from a transformer arc but it wasn't that they had the lines up and running a few minutes after arriving no problems with the transformer or line.. both bat and fault cause sound and light, light lights up the street not a tree and the sound is loud and distinctly clear I'll just wait for the "show me the aliens" remarks and "that isn't proof" and wait for the ridiculing... yet I keep discovering more to the video and nobody is disproving anything ... by the day... |
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#1015 |
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Reasonable explanations have been offered by people much more scientifically knowledgeable than me. You reject these explanations and keep parroting "aliens, aliens" based on no evidence at all.
No need for me to do any work. Your claim, you do the work to provide a modicum of evidence that rises above the level of opinion. |
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#1017 |
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#1018 |
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UAPs are alien aircraft
What aliens may or may not look like or even if they have been here... I don't care I know they are up to something (with thie drones or whatever) I suppose we don't have robots on mars? Satellites orbiting the moon either... we do, and if we had the technology we too would do this crap until laws got passed We are heading that way, any other intelligence out there would be driven by curiosity as well After many days of ridicule here, I'm not wavering infact you have found me more evidence, this forum has given me more findings and more evidence because of how much I had to fight my case here not only is it not wavering but skeptics here agree aliens are out there but not visiting .. some bs about being too far away And my case is getting stronger not weaker so if the goal is to make me believe this is a magical light bulb on my estate, saying nothing to me would be a better method as you make me determined to find every anomaly in the video I'm running out possibilities given here now, any educated person knows this is not a result or anything electrical |
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#1019 |
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^This.
cjdelphi, this really is basic, basic, pre 101 level first grade logic. If you're not able to grasp that you are wasting your own time and ours by continuing to ignore the basics. Read my previous comment about burden of proof and presumptions, and keep reading it until it sinks in, cause clearly it aint sinking in. |
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It ain't me ignoring evidence here
Exain the 2 flash of light The sound The power going out Oh wait the power coming back on did it, well the power was on with the first search beam of light So take that theory and stick it where the sun don't shine, get a new theory or be quiet |
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Indeed they are, according to you. Which means you believe they are piloted by aliens. So provide your proof (massive sound of crickets...)
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#1024 |
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No explanation... your ridiculing means nothing, that only works if your theory fits
It can't I blasted it out of the water Name calling might be a better option for you here? |
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I've been insulted here more times than I count, stop crying
You can't supply evidence of any kind to prove me wrong, show me evidence of this happening before show me a bat doing it, show me the power coming on in the video to back up the reconnection theory Show me the light source that lights up the tree Enough words enough insults prove to me what I'm saying is not possible by telling me the moment you see the power restored and which bulb caused the flash and how that sound was made If you can't and all you can do is ridicule me you are not educated enough to argue with me, educated people come back with evidence not insults |
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#1027 |
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If I gave you a YouTube video with flashing lights, sounds and power going out, and claimed it was the ghost of Elvis who was causing it, prove me wrong. What would you say?? What would your 'theory' be that would satisfy me that it wasn't Elvis? That's the game you are playing, and it aint impressive.
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Cj, have you thought to do some experiments after dark, turning lights on and off to see just what your camera will capture?
It might even recreate some of the odd effects you say are unexplainable. If not seek confirmation from a person or organization that thinks more like you do. Maybe you can trust thier judgement more than ours and get a spot on TV telling all about your amazing experience. |
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#1030 |
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Surely you don't expect our intrepid OP to take any actions that could lead to overturning a worldview that has been so carefully cultivated for so long. There is apparently nothing that will cause a stray from the chosen path. Logic, evidence, scientific method, burden of proof, have all been categorically rejected in favor of determined blind opinion. cjdelphi is looking for agreement with those opinions and nothing else will suffice.
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#1032 |
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Damn good question
We see them hover in the sky, the navy chases them and they play games with each other, we see them all the time, I don't think they give a crap ... And let's be honest as long as they don't attack us, nobody will care, as long as we see them do very little and nothing more they are not considered a threat The moment that changes things drastically change hence programs like atip the government doesn't care who or what owns then just as long as they are not hostile! Now a zoo operator will gas an animal and put it back in it's enclosure, when I was operated on I just remember falling asleep and waking up instantly later I will put my life on it and say they only hiding abductions and nothing else, I truly 100% believed nobody was abducted who has claimed they are, maybe the ones in the day but not while asleep, the people who claims they were.. I put sleep paralysis and sleep terrors down to these instances If I'm right anyone and everyone can be taken, seen a flash of light but nothing to explain it? Waking up extremely tired? One of those people online asking for help "flash of light outside window" Let's say they are they true victims and the crackpots who say they see greys are dreaming it and never abducted at all! This video strongly suggests that's exactly what is going on here... if it takes another 50 years for the human race to actually collectively confirm this I'm 50 years ahead of that curve I swear down dead on my life an electrical fault of any kind can not cause this and I've been building power supplies and tesla coils and all kinds of weird crap for the last 15 years, programming software since 1995, I wrote the 2nd most popular chat client for Yahoo chat including writing my own multi threaded server supporting hundreds of thousands of users I've since moved into electronics and ended up with a degree I started my own software business up and started writing android apps, unfortunately I never kept it up and went into writing firmware in C for bespoke custom projects my last one was a water pump needed switching on when it got too full I used an ultrasonic device sent out a pulse measuring how long it takes to send, the speed of sound divided by 2 basically, that length determines the distance, I then use that to determine the level of the water if too high digitalwrite(pin, high); until level<=required My logic skills are pretty damn good.. My mental state is sound, however at least one persons mental state is highly questionable here vs mine |
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Oh really now..
What second in the video shows the power coming back on to make that light you see When the power is on, all the lights are on... what causes that blue flash of light you see if all the lights are on? A bat? Where there's electrical discharge because the bat lowered the impeadance... where is the brown out? and dip in voltage which would be shown in the lights fading in and out? What point in the video does it happen? You have a time stamp show me... The relays shut down and stayed down... No explanation fits, go back to ridiculing me or start giving time stamps and screen shots explaining why I'm wrong, in done with peoples word, just show me what you see in the video that proves me wrong You're Good at telling me what it is without evidence to validate your claims, that's all you're good at |
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