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14th December 2017, 05:02 PM | #3401 |
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From what I've seen Strzok's opinions of Trump were pretty mainstream - essentially, that he is a vile and odious person, which is obvious without any inside information. In fact, Trump goes to some effort to display the fact to as wide an audience as he can reach.
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14th December 2017, 05:28 PM | #3403 |
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Quite.
People like logger assume that bias determines conclusions because that's how it works for them. Start with the bias, form the conclusion according to it, then fill the space between with selected or invented "data" and motivated inference. With some gibes aimed at Hillary Clinton shoehorned in, of course. Mueller's case, when it's presented, will not look like that at all. His professionalism is beyond reasonable question. |
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14th December 2017, 05:45 PM | #3405 |
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Still waiting. I haven't heard of a judge telling Mueller he hasn't met his burden to bring charges.
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14th December 2017, 08:12 PM | #3407 |
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14th December 2017, 08:29 PM | #3408 |
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Here’s another great article that covers many aspect of this scandal.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/14/fb...e-james-comey/ |
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14th December 2017, 09:15 PM | #3412 |
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"We" might expect that. Conservatives obviously don't. Their opinions take precedence over everything else. Duty. Responsibility. Facts. Everything. Anything that doesn't conform to their opinions they ignore or reject. They can't conceive of anyone responding any other way, so of course everyone else allows their bias to influence the way they perform their jobs. |
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14th December 2017, 11:57 PM | #3413 |
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15th December 2017, 02:29 AM | #3414 |
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As happens occasionally, you use a broad brush and manage to hit the wrong people.
There are millions of people in government service. All over the world. Ultimately they serve the public, but do it through political masters. Millions of them will be 'leftist' by your personal standard. Myself included. I have my political opinions, but I absolutely do not let them affect my professional conduct. It depends on individual roles of course, some are more directly political than others, but I deal with data, information, facts, and I do so in an objective and unbiased way. Of course I would say that, but I guess I'm just trying to say, don't judge a huge population by what you decide must be true from news reports about a few individuals. Political bias is not a day-to-day part of government service. It simply isn't. |
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15th December 2017, 02:42 AM | #3415 |
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Uh-oh, now the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board jumps ship: The FBI’s Trump ‘Insurance’
Behind a paywall, but at least partly freed here:
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15th December 2017, 03:27 AM | #3417 |
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Lol
No, the Wall Street Journal Editorial Board has not "jumped ship"; they've always been aboard SS Trump. Last month, they were pushing the same line as Fox News that Mueller's investigation can't be trusted because "the Hillary Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee jointly paid for that infamous 'dossier' full of Russian disinformation against Donald Trump." They also never miss an opportunity to insinuate that the FBI faked the evidence that Russia hacked the emails. |
15th December 2017, 04:34 AM | #3418 |
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And here they are conceding a massive lapse in professionalism over their attempts to shape the story.
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15th December 2017, 05:37 AM | #3419 |
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worth pointing out how at least one person has a particularly partisan approach to impartiality
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...=recirc_recent |
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15th December 2017, 06:32 AM | #3420 |
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Doubting the intelligence, Trump pursues Putin and leaves a Russian threat unchecked
Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., CIA Director John Brennan and National Security Agency chief Michael S. Rogers flew together aboard an Air Force 737. FBI Director James B. Comey traveled separately on an FBI Gulfstream aircraft, planning to extend his stay for meetings with bureau officials. |
15th December 2017, 07:38 AM | #3421 |
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Lot of republicans saying things are biased and that is a problem. It would be real nice for them to define what bias is and why it is a problem.
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15th December 2017, 09:14 AM | #3424 |
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Trump: “It’s a shame what happened to the FBI. But we’re going to rebuild the FBI, it’ll be bigger and better than ever,” Trump told reporters.
He really is going to try to kill Mueller's investigation and do a political purge of the FBI. This will end very badly -- it's going to be much worse than Watergate. |
15th December 2017, 09:21 AM | #3425 |
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It really is staggering what some people accept as journalism.
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I'm honestly gobsmacked that people pay attention to weak **** like this. |
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15th December 2017, 10:22 AM | #3426 |
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This is some scary ****. Surely some Republicans in Congress are going to stop supporting this mob.
Trump is echoing what Hannity and Gingrich talked about yesterday. Combine that with Trump's staff afraid to provide proper intelligence briefs because it sets Trump off, it's not hard to see what is going on here. The closer the investigation gets to providing a formal report, the more Trump looks like he's losing it. |
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Man I wish they'd finish this. There is real, irreparable damage being done to this country. This sham administration needs to go, NOW.
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The purpose of that link was perfectly clear. It's telling that you chose to pick on that and ignore the introduced WSJ article which is pretty much in line with the other outlets from logger's conservativetreehouse to Iran Contra-Parry who is anything but right-wing and spots a scandal if it crosses his way. If it helps. For the time. |
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15th December 2017, 11:18 AM | #3431 |
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Yeah. Wow. Or maybe they're just going to jump ship, retire, and watch the freakshow unfold? https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...hington-216103
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15th December 2017, 11:38 AM | #3432 |
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Republicans complained about bias in the Mueller investigation. The IG did an internal investigation which turned up the Strzok texts. He gave them to Mueller, who promptly fired Strzok. A bunch of jackasses are now accusing the FBI of fabricating evidence when they don't even know what evidence Mueller has. And this is all before Flynn and Papadopolous start singing in public.
The only "scandal" I see is that we have some Republicans in congress who are dumb enough to think they can elevate their self-absorbed fascist godling above the law and keep catering to their wealthy donors. The majority of the American people will not stand for that, and we know what to do about it in 2018. Smart Republicans may have noticed that in the 68 recent special and off-year elections, Democrats outperformed 2016 by an average of 10 points. Rachel Maddow had a chart the other night that showed how much of the House, at least, that puts "in play" if the trend holds. Smart Republicans should be very, very worried, even if Trump doesn't fire Mueller; the future of their party is literally on the line. The only question is how many "smart" Republicans there are. If Trump kills the investigation, the answer to that question will determine if Trump is impeached in 2018 or 2019. |
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Thanks much! That is about what I was thinking as well.
I am very sure that Trump would love to be provided with some sort of carte` blanch to tear down the FBI and re-build it. After all, such an opportunity would provide him with a great chance to learn about all the dirt that the FBI has on Trump, stop all of the FBI investigation(s) on Trump, and prevent the FBI from ever launching any more investigations on Trump. It would be a real 'Win!-Win!-Win!' for Trump. |
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Just in case you are actually interested in this issue, then here is a real piece of journalism for you to peruse ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.ba44b4770ee0 Senate Republicans try to shield Mueller from criticism of his Russia probe
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That, Childlike Empress, is about the ****iest reply you could have made. How 'bout you man-up and reply in a forthright manner.
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Essentially I couldn't care less. Again, this isn't about the Mueller investigation's "bias" (that's what the Washington Pest pre$$titutes want you to believe - real journalism LOL), it is about how it came into being in the first place. And I must ask that you folks stop bothering me with this strawman nonsense. I know you aren't that dumb. Talk to the mirror, that's where the denial is addressed at in the first place. Good luck overcoming your pride. |
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I'll quote the last paragraph from the article on Pat Lang's blog (read the "about" page, these are very serious people) I've linked to yesterday:
Originally Posted by Publius Tacitus
Let's assume the premises are correct. I don't think anybody of the regular Russia CT posters here agrees with that paragraph. You all think the ends justify the means, in this case, and wish they had been successful. Hence the refusal to even acknowledge the topic. N'est-ce pas? |
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You mean the one about how Obama wanted to wiretap Trump to undermine his campaign, so he had his Hillary-loving flunkies in the FBI use Steele's collection of fake and/or planted disinformation to get warrants? Cool story, bro -- real journalism at its finest.
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15th December 2017, 02:50 PM | #3440 |
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It's worth remembering that Trump originally claimed he fired Comey because he felt Comey was unfair to Hillary in how he investigated the email scandal.
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