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Old 17th December 2017, 08:34 AM   #3481
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Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
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"This ain't the swamp you're meant to drain."
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Old 17th December 2017, 08:43 AM   #3482
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CDC is military, right? Email them and ask them to protect national security. https://wwwn.cdc.gov/dcs/ContactUs/Form
CDC isn't military. You might be thinking of the US Public Health Service Commissioned Corps.
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Ty Cobb said on the record that "Mueller will not be fired".
... and the Trump administration never lies.
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Originally Posted by Civet View Post
CDC isn't military. You might be thinking of the US Public Health Service Commissioned Corps.
Pretty sure it is technically military, going back to this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidem...igence_Service
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Old 17th December 2017, 08:55 AM   #3485
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Originally Posted by DJW View Post
Ty Cobb said on the record that "Mueller will not be fired".
Originally Posted by timhau View Post
... and the Trump administration never lies.
... and Trump never contradicts his people.
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Old 17th December 2017, 09:01 AM   #3486
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It's on the record, so it's better than an anonymous source.
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Old 17th December 2017, 09:51 AM   #3487
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
Pretty sure it is technically military, going back to this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidem...igence_Service
That's not military either. They're under the Department of Health, which is cabinet level.
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I haven't compared this to the list being maintained on this forum, but here is Seth Abramson's collection of reasons why we need Mueller's investigation to find out what the hell is going on. Unsurprisingly, Trump's claim that it's been proved that there was no collusion is 180 degrees away from the truth; there certainly was collusion. The question now is how much of it, if any, rises to the level of criminal conspiracy. All the lying implies that even TrumpCo must think that a lot of it does.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...823215616.html

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(THREAD) From Russian payments to Trump advisors to failing to register as foreign agents working for Putin allies—from perjury to illegal solicitation of campaign donations from the Kremlin—here's a non-exhaustive summary of known Trump-Russia ties. Hope you'll read and share.

#1: In March of 2016, Papadopoulos reveals to Trump—face-to-face—he's a Kremlin intermediary sent to establish a Trump-Putin backchannel (he says Putin is favorably disposed to Trump's candidacy). Trump then and there orders Gordon to coordinate a pro-Kremlin GOP platform change.

#2: In June 2016, Don Jr. knowingly attends a meeting with—and set up by—Kremlin agents. He asks the Kremlin for what he has reason to believe is illegally acquired Clinton material. Afterwards, he (allegedly) tells no one. When caught, he lies about every aspect of the meeting.

#3: In April, July and September of 2016 Sessions meets Russian Ambassador Kislyak in settings in which Russian sanctions are discussed. He holds the latter two meetings *after* it's known Russia is cyber-attacking America. He lies about these contacts under oath before Congress.

#4: Kislyak egregiously violates longstanding diplomatic protocol to attend—as a guest of the Trump campaign—a major Trump foreign policy speech. Having been invited to the speech as a VIP, Kislyak sits in the front row as Trump promises Putin's Russia "a good deal" on sanctions.

#5: Flynn—aided and abetted by Kushner and the full Presidential Transition Team—illegally conducts sanctions and resolution negotiations with Russia during the 2016 transition. When asked about it by the FBI, he lies. When the lies are published, no one on the PTT corrects them.

#6: Carter Page travels to Moscow under the guise of an academic conference—in fact, he meets with top Kremlin officials and top Rosneft executives, speaking with both about Russian sanctions just as the Steele Dossier alleges. When questioned about his activities, he lies on TV.

#7: Trump campaign manager Manafort and Sessions aide Gordon aggressively push to change the GOP platform to benefit Putin under direct orders from Trump. When asked about Trump's involvement, they lie to the media; when asked about their own involvement, they lie to the media.

#8: Shortly after the inauguration, it's revealed that Trump has been holding onto a secret plan to unilaterally drop all sanctions against Russia for months—a plan he's never before revealed, which would *reward* Russia for cyber-attacking America during a presidential election.

#9: When Trump learns the FBI Director plans to indict his ex-National Security Advisor, he fires him—first lying about his reason for doing so, then eventually admitting he did it due to "the Russia thing." Later—in an Oval Office conversation with Russians—he repeats the claim.

#10: In an Oval Office meeting into which no U.S. media are allowed (foreshadowing a meeting with Putin in which no U.S. translators would be allowed), Trump deliberately leaks classified Israeli intelligence to the Russians, who are allies of Israel's (and America's) enemy—Iran.

#11: In late 2016, Kushner and Flynn smuggle Kislyak into Trump Tower to secretly discuss the creation of a clandestine—Kremlin-controlled—Trump-Putin backchannel only a few principals would know about. The men don't disclose the meeting or plan, which would constitute espionage.

#12: In May 2016, Trump NatSec advisor Papadopoulos makes secret trips to Athens to make contact with Kremlin allies. During the second trip, Putin's also there—to discuss sanctions. It's his only trip to an EU nation during the campaign. Papadopoulos meets the same men as Putin.

#13: In 2013, Trump and Putin's developer sign a letter-of-intent to build Trump Tower Moscow—a deal requiring Putin's blessing that only goes forward when Putin dispatches to Trump his permits man and banker. Trump and principals lie about the deal—and events at the Ritz Moscow.

#14: Just before Trump's inauguration, Trump's lawyer Cohen and ex-Russian mobster Sater secretly meet with a pro-Russia Ukrainian politician to help ferry a secret Kremlin-backed "peace deal" to Flynn, Trump's National Security Advisor. All involved then lie about their actions.

#15: After it's publicly revealed Russia is waging cyberwar on America, Trump publicly and in all seriousness invites the Kremlin to continue cyber-attacking America if doing so will result in the theft and release of his opponent's private emails. He never retracts the request.

#16: Trump advisors Bannon, Prince, Flynn, Don Jr., Giuliani and Pirro are involved—to varying degrees—in leaking, sourcing, disseminating, and legitimizing a false "True Pundit" story that seeks to use fraud to blackmail the FBI into indicting Clinton. Russian bots pump it also.

#17: Trump's top advisors—including Manafort, Sessions, Flynn, Clovis, Page, Papadopoulos, Cohen, Sater, Don Jr, Kushner, Prince, Dearborn, Gordon, Gates, Stone and others—lie about or fail to disclose Russia contacts or key conversations on Russian efforts to collude with Trump.

#18: For many months after Trump begins his run, he is secretly working under a letter-of-intent with Russian developers to build Trump Tower Moscow. The deal—brokered by Cohen and Sater—allegedly falls apart only when Putin's top aide won't return an email from Trump's attorney.

#19: In 2008, Don Jr. privately tells investors that "a disproportionate percentage" of the Trump Organization's money comes from Russia—a fact later confirmed by Eric Trump. Trump Sr. then becomes the first presidential candidate in decades to refuse to release his tax returns.

#20: Though he's fully briefed on Russia's cyberwar against America in August 2016, Trump publicly denies it—calling the U.S. intel community Nazis—while accepting Putin's denials he's done anything wrong and proposing the U.S. create a cybersecurity task force with the Kremlin.

BONUS: Though he knows by August 2016 that Russia is committing crimes against America, Trump still lets his top NatSec advisor, Sessions, negotiate sanctions with Kislyak—presumably Trump's plan for a unilateral dropping of sanctions. This is Aiding and Abetting Computer Crimes.

BONUS: During the transition, Trump's son-in-law Kushner secretly meets with Putin's banker—after which discussion the two men disagree wildly as to what they discussed, suggesting that whatever the topic was, it was clandestine. Kushner won't reveal the meeting for many months.

BONUS: Advisors to the Trump campaign, including Trump Jr. and Stone, have contacts with WikiLeaks and/or Russian hackers—the timeline of which conversations dovetails perfectly with consequential changes in behavior by one or both of the parties (including Trump's stump speech).

BONUS: When Acting AG Yates warns Trump that Flynn—his National Security Advisor—has been compromised by Russia, Trump fires her and keeps Flynn on board for 18 days. Either he lies to Pence about what he knows on this or both Trump and Pence lie to America about their knowledge.

PS: People have long asked me for a one-link summary of what we know—which is only a fraction of what Mueller knows—in the Trump-Russia probe. My pinned thread, viewable with a button-click, aims to be that.

If you know *anyone* confused by the probe, please share it with them.

PART TWO: A link to Part 2 of this series on Trump-Russia ties is below. If you find it helpful in summarizing what we know so far about illicit Trump-Russia connections, I hope you'll share the link.

"No collusion!" is a rallying cry that needs to die.

_ _ _ _ _

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...381731841.html

(THREAD) It turns out 24 paragraphs detailing 24 discrete Trump-Russia ties isn't enough to encompass how entwined Trump is with Russia, so in this thread—Part 2 in the series—I offer 23 more connections. A link to Part 1 is in the first tweet, below. Hope you'll read and share.

#2: Trump NatSec advisor Erik Prince secretly traveled to UAE at the command of the UAE's Royal Family so he could have a clandestine meeting *on Russia sanctions* with a top Putin ally—the Russian Direct Investment Fund manager. Prince lied to Congress about all aspects of this.

#3: Trump NatSec advisor Flynn secretly worked with Trump pal Thomas Barrack and Iran-Contra criminal Robert "Bud" McFarlane to lobby Trump to drop Russia sanctions—the better to make money off a deal to bring nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia via Russian-built nuclear reactors.

#4: In 2002, Trump tried to rig the Miss Universe pageant—by leaning illegally on judges—to award the title to Miss Russia, whose two boyfriends at the time were a) one of the top real estate developers in Saint Petersburg, a market Trump wanted access to, and b) Vladimir Putin.

#5: In 2003, Trump was saved from bankruptcy by the sudden, miraculous appearance of Russian mobster Felix Sater in his orbit. Sater found Trump new partners and tenants—often, Russians—and they helped make Trump rich again. Trump then perjured himself over whether he knew Sater.

#6: Trump Campaign Manager Paul Manafort was secretly contacting Putin ally Oleg Deripaska during the 2016 presidential campaign, at one point promising him special access to the Trump campaign—and to Trump's thinking on Russia policy—via clandestine "briefings" on those topics.

#7: After it was revealed Don Jr. met Kremlin agents at Trump's house—Trump Tower—at a time Trump was in the building and meeting with Don, Jared, and Manafort on the same topics they met the Kremlin agents to discuss, Trump witness-tampered by writing his son's false statement.

#8: Trump's campaign hired Bannon/Mercer-run Cambridge Analytica to target voters via "psychographics." There's evidence Cambridge Analytica leaked its data to the Kremlin to aid its massive propaganda campaign. Emails *from Cambridge Analytica to WikiLeaks* have been discovered.

#9: *After* it was known Trump's NatSec team had met to talk Russia policy and receive orders from Trump on sanctions, Sarah Huckabee Sanders lied—from the White House—on how many times the team met. She said once—it was three times, plus innumerable group calls and email chains.

#10: Trump National Security Advisor Flynn dined with Putin in Moscow during the presidential campaign—*while he was advising Trump*. He admits they discussed Russia policy. The chances he didn't brief the man he was advising on what Putin said—and what Flynn said back—are *nil*.

#11: Trump selected as Secretary of State a man who didn't want the job, wasn't qualified, and has revealed himself to be as bad at it as anticipated. But Tillerson had one qualification—he's not just a Putin pal, but had received the *Russian Order of Friendship Medal* from him.

#12: During the presidential campaign—while he was a Trump NatSec advisor—Trump's future National Security Advisor Mike Flynn received tens of thousands of dollars directly from Kremlin propaganda network RT. He then lied about it on TV and failed to disclose it on federal forms.

#13: Months ago, both houses of Congress voted overwhelmingly—517 to 5—to impose new sanctions on Russia for its massive election interference campaign (correctly classified as "cyber-war" on the United States. Trump is now protecting Putin by refusing to impose those sanctions.

#14: Three of Trump's top NatSec advisors—Schmitz, Gordon, Page—went to Budapest in 2016. Budapest is the European HQ for Russia's FSB. It was Gordon's sixth trip to the tiny EU nation in recent years; Page admits meeting an unnamed Russian; *no one knows* what Schmitz was doing.

#15: In 2013, the Trumps developed close business and personal ties with the Agalarovs—a Kremlin-linked family of oligarchs who've acted as Putin agents before (including delivering gifts to Trump from Putin). Trump stayed in touch with them throughout the presidential campaign.

#16: Alexander Torshin—a Putin-linked Russian banker and "long-time Trump acquaintance"—met Trump at an NRA conference weeks before Trump announced his run, then tried to set up a secret Putin-Trump meet in May 2016. He then tried to secretly meet Trump at an event this February.

#17: At a time it was *widely known* that the way to reach Trump was to send an email to Hope Hicks—Trump doesn't use email—Russian intelligence did so several times, suggesting they felt Hicks and Trump would be amenable to the contacts. The FBI had to warn Hicks not to respond.

#18: In 2004, Trump bought a Miami mansion no one wanted for $40 million. After making no improvements to either the land or the property and failing to sell it for *four years*, in 2008 Russian billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev—facing no competing offers—gave him $95 million for it.

#19: In 2014, Eric Trump told reporter James Dodson his father got "all the funding he needed" for his golf courses—a big part of his financial portfolio—from Russian banks. Dodson had no reason to lie, but Eric denied it vehemently—underscoring how dangerous that truth would be.

#20: Trump made his Campaign Manager a man who'd been out of politics for years and is known largely not just for working on behalf of Putin allies in Ukraine but having angled for years to do direct propaganda work for the Kremlin itself—outreach which has since been documented.

BONUS: Fears that the Kremlin recorded "kompromat"—blackmail—on Trump at the Ritz Moscow in November 2013 have been stoked by Trump's repeated lies about his trip, his bodyguard's confession it could've happened, and as many as eight witnesses found by the BBC and intel agencies.

BONUS: After Trump's son Don began engaging in a back-and-forth correspondence with Russian front-operation WikiLeaks in September 2016, the Trump campaign responded to WikiLeaks' pro-Trump overtures by inserting praise of WikiLeaks into then-candidate Trump's daily stump speech.

BONUS: The 4 ambassadors Trump invited to the VIP event before his first foreign policy speech (Mayflower Hotel, 4/27/16)—that'd be 4 of a possible 195—all *breached diplomatic protocol to attend* and were all from nations involved in Russia's sanctions-impacted Rosneft oil deal.

BONUS: Trump has repeatedly angled—almost *desperately*—for private meetings with Putin, including orchestrating pretenses for them. Each time they've met, they've exceeded the allotted time for such a meeting by 300% and breached protocol in how the meetings have been conducted.
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Old 17th December 2017, 10:15 AM   #3489
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Originally Posted by CapelDodger View Post
That's not military either. They're under the Department of Health, which is cabinet level.
Thanks for explaining it. I always thought since it went back to this sort of objective:

https://www.cdc.gov/about/history/ourstory.htm
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Malaria Control in War Areas (MCWA), the predecessor to CDC, was established in 1942 to control malaria around military training bases in the United States.
...It retained a sort of military status, strictly legally. I know they're independent of "the pentagon"/DOD, but I thought the CDC was still aligned with "military", with national security being a core shared objective.
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Old 17th December 2017, 10:35 AM   #3490
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... and the Trump administration never lies.
My hypothesis, FWIW:

Trump's adult advisors are saying, don't do it, it'll be a mistake. Those advisors are out there, like Rosenstein saying no one is going to fire Mueller. They either know that position is tentative, or, they still believe Trump will actually act Presidential, this time, surely he will.

Trump OTOH, is watching Hannity, Judge Janine and whomever else on Fox is pitching the CT that Mueller is a political attack dog. They have been harping on the one investigator's emails, how atrocious, yadda yadda, not mentioning the guy was taken off the case last summer as soon as the emails came to light. In addition they are repeating over and over, "no collusion time to end the investigation". Add to that they are repeating that the transition team's emails were privileged and obtained illegally (Gawd the irony there ).

Some people in Trumplandistan, like Sekulow, are echoing back to Trump the above sentiments. Trump believes, he said so yesterday, that "everyone" believes what Trump hears on Fox News.

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That's not military either. They're under the Department of Health, which is cabinet level.
Every public health service in the country is under the CDC and they are definitely not military.
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I haven't compared this to the list being maintained on this forum, but here is Seth Abramson's collection of reasons why we need Mueller's investigation to find out what the hell is going on. Unsurprisingly, Trump's claim that it's been proved that there was no collusion is 180 degrees away from the truth; there certainly was collusion. The question now is how much of it, if any, rises to the level of criminal conspiracy. All the lying implies that even TrumpCo must think that a lot of it does.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...823215616.html
Don't ya love how they ignore every bit of that and keep repeating, nothing to see here, move along.
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There does seem to be a feedback loop with Trump and Fox news. He says something, they jump on it and amplify it, he hears it back, buys it, and then goes with it more, they hear about it and amplify it, etc.

MSNBC recently examined some of the things Fox have been saying:

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Bear in mind that Steve Schmidt, the guy who goes on the rant at the end, is a Republican analyst who worked on campaigns for George W. Bush, John McCain and Arnold Schwarzenegger. So he's far from some pinko lefty.

But, yeah, what can you do when the president of the most powerful country in the world believes everything said on a news channel that's prepared to say the FBI is as corrupt as the Kremlin and to accuse Mueller of committing crimes worse than Watergate?
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
Thanks for explaining it. I always thought since it went back to this sort objective:

https://www.cdc.gov/about/history/ourstory.htm


...It retained a sort of military status, strictly legally. I know they're independent of "the pentagon"/DOD, but I thought the CDC was still aligned with "military", with national security being a core shared objective.
The USPHS Commissioned Corps is a uniformed service branch organized under the Surgeon General. NOAA also has a Commissioned Corps.

ETA: yes, the Department of Commerce has a military wing. They are capable of quick response to natural disasters or various remote extraction types of missions, and would serve a similar medical/humanitarian role (and protections) as described below.

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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
Thanks for explaining it. I always thought since it went back to this sort objective:

https://www.cdc.gov/about/history/ourstory.htm


...It retained a sort of military status, strictly legally. I know they're independent of "the pentagon"/DOD, but I thought the CDC was still aligned with "military", with national security being a core shared objective.
The US does have a Public Health Service Commissioned Corps that is considered to be a military service under the Geneva Convention. The purpose is so that there is a pool of public health workers who can work with the military in combat zones without the possibility that if they are captured by the enemy they can be classified as spies and executed.
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Ty Cobb said on the record that "Mueller will not be fired".

Who cares what some washed up baseball player says.

And I'm a bit suspicious about that "on the record" part. He's been dead for over half a century, after all.
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Who cares what some washed up baseball player says.

And I'm a bit suspicious about that "on the record" part. He's been dead for over half a century, after all.
Yeah, that's so funny I forgot to laugh.
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...It retained a sort of military status, strictly legally. I know they're independent of "the pentagon"/DOD, but I thought the CDC was still aligned with "military", with national security being a core shared objective.
Departments will co-ordinate, naturally, but they'll also defend their turf.
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Departments will co-ordinate, naturally, but they'll also defend their turf.
Right.

I'm just saying, if they could exercise a tad more independent, creative, critically-thinking, ethical leadership at this dark hour (and a demented executive branch under god knows how much Kremlin control is indeed a dark prospect) I wouldn't start screaming about democracy and the death of a clearly dysfunctional state of checks and balances.

The pentagon proper has already signaled that they don't take the "commander in chief" stuff seriously. Remember this? https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...a-armada-gaffe
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Old 17th December 2017, 03:49 PM   #3502
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post
Right.

I'm just saying, if they could exercise a tad more independent, creative, critically-thinking, ethical leadership at this dark hour (and a demented executive branch under god knows how much Kremlin control is indeed a dark prospect) I wouldn't start screaming about democracy and the death of a clearly dysfunctional state of checks and balances.
If loonies are appointed to cabinet posts and Congress approves them then yup, you've got a problem.

Oh look ...
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
MSNBC recently examined some of the things Fox have been saying:

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Bear in mind that Steve Schmidt, the guy who goes on the rant at the end, is a Republican analyst who worked on campaigns for George W. Bush, John McCain and Arnold Schwarzenegger. So he's far from some pinko lefty.
"The breathtaking dishonesty of it is beyond my ability to articulate".

He's pretty pissed about this, I'm thinking.
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Old 17th December 2017, 06:13 PM   #3504
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This is the level of sophistication we're dealing with: https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/942492895692673024

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The White House readout of the Trump-Putin call looks like Trump wrote it himself
The transcript is a picture, so you'll have to follow the link to read it for yourself. It's, um, it reads like it should be written on a circle of paper in crayon.
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Old 17th December 2017, 06:31 PM   #3505
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This is the level of sophistication we're dealing with: https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/942492895692673024
I wonder if he burned any operatives with this press release.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
This is the level of sophistication we're dealing with: https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/942492895692673024



The transcript is a picture, so you'll have to follow the link to read it for yourself. It's, um, it reads like it should be written on a circle of paper in crayon.

I don't know. The way it is written still exhibits a command of language that is far above anything we have seen or heard from Trump in the last couple of years.

For example, I wouldn't expect him to use the word "incarcerated" without coaching. "Locked up"? Sure. "Thrown in jail"? Yeah.

Not "incarcerated".
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Dark money seems like a really bad feature.

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That could be changing. In September, it was reported that special counsel Robert Mueller is investigating three donors with ties to Russia who contributed a combined total of $2 million to funds controlled by Trump. All three of the men have financial and business ties to Russian oligarchs who are intricately linked with Putin.

As the Dallas News explains, one of those men is Ukrainian-born billionaire Leonard Blavatnik, who holds dual American and British citizenship. Blavatnik at one time offered political donations on a bipartisan basis, giving small contributions to both parties from 2009 to 2014.

From 2015 to 2016, Blavatnik stopped donating to both political parties, and instead contributed $6.35 million to GOP political action committees. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, Blavatnik and two other Russian-linked donors began pumping donations to the Republican National Committee “just as Trump was on the verge of securing the Republican nomination.”

Since April 2016, Blavatnik has donated $383,000 to the RNC, with $12,700 going to the RNC legal fund. That account paid Trump’s legal bills in the Russia investigation until November. Blavatnik also donated $1 million to Trump’s inauguration fund, ABC reports.
If only someone had warned us.

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But we can't stop there. It's time to require lobbyists to disclose each contact they make on behalf of a client with my Administration or Congress. And it's time to put strict limits on the contributions that lobbyists give to candidates for federal office. Last week, the Supreme Court reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests – including foreign corporations – to spend without limit in our elections. Well I don't think American elections should be bankrolled by America's most powerful interests, or worse, by foreign entities. They should be decided by the American people, and that's why I'm urging Democrats and Republicans to pass a bill that helps to right this wrong.
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Old 18th December 2017, 11:36 AM   #3508
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Confirmation that Trump was specifically warned by the FBI when he became the Republican nominee that it was likely Russian agents would try to infiltrate his campaign

Nothing amazingly revelatory in that article, but it is another little piece of the puzzle.

Seth Abramson made a thread five months ago about why this is significant. Tweet #4 is the one that at the time of authoring that thread was Abramson making an informed supposition, but which has now been confirmed by official sources.
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Old 19th December 2017, 12:25 PM   #3511
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Well, as logger is away, I take it upon me to post the latest from the conservative treehouse. So far I found that the site has quite good research (didn't know it before logger linked to it).

That's a summary of what is emerging, headed by the full letter from the Trump transition team to congress. It makes no sense to quote it in part, as it need some space to develop. Sources at the bottom of the article.

Summarizing, that "small group" which is mostly identified and already scrutinized by congress investigation seems to have
  • taken care that the Killary eMail investigation went nowhere
  • fabricated and used the piss dossier to legalize the surveillance of the Trump team
  • after the election brought the Russiagate CT into its overheated form to cover up what they had done
  • helped create and then infiltrated the Mueller investigation to make sure it doesn't turn stones under which they didn't want anybody to look
And there seems to be a potential crown witness, Bill Priestap, head of FBI counter-intelligence.

I for one have popcorn ready.

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Old 19th December 2017, 12:41 PM   #3512
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Well, as logger is away, I take it upon me to post the latest from the conservative treehouse. So far I found that the site has quite good research (didn't know it before logger linked to it).
Yup, that's a site that's completely unbiased. That's why it uses the word "illegal" in the headline, despite that not being a claim made in the letter they're commenting on. By the third paragraph they've softened it to "possibly illegal" - demonstrating that they know the headline is a lie. Of course, "possibly illegal" is a lie, too, but it's a lesser lie and more people read headlines than read articles.

No agenda there, at all...
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Old 19th December 2017, 12:54 PM   #3513
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
Yup, that's a site that's completely unbiased. That's why it uses the word "illegal" in the headline, despite that not being a claim made in the letter they're commenting on. By the third paragraph they've softened it to "possibly illegal" - demonstrating that they know the headline is a lie. Of course, "possibly illegal" is a lie, too, but it's a lesser lie and more people read headlines than read articles.

No agenda there, at all...

Of great use to a development of accurate understanding of reality for you would be to drop the naive notion that there are "unbiased" journalistic sources. What's important is transparency, and that's why a source called "conservative treehouse" or "world socialist web site" is preferable in principle (if their research is solid) to one that pretends to be fair and balanced, first and foremost the "papers of record" which are anything but that.
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Old 19th December 2017, 12:54 PM   #3514
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Well, as logger is away, I take it upon me to post the latest from the conservative treehouse. So far I found that the site has quite good research (didn't know it before logger linked to it).

That's a summary of what is emerging, headed by the full letter from the Trump transition team to congress. It makes no sense to quote it in part, as it need some space to develop. Sources at the bottom of the article.

Summarizing, that "small group" which is mostly identified and already scrutinized by congress investigation seems to have
  • taken care that the Killary eMail investigation went nowhere
  • fabricated and used the piss dossier to legalize the surveillance of the Trump team
  • after the election brought the Russiagate CT into its overheated form to cover up what they had done
  • helped create and then infiltrated the Mueller investigation to make sure it doesn't turn stones under which they didn't want anybody to look
And there seems to be a potential crown witness, Bill Priestap, head of FBI counter-intelligence.

I for one have popcorn ready.

Nice argument you got there. Be a shame if someone disregarded it because of hyper-partisan baloney. As such you only get one.


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Oh, and Squeegee, the "illegal" claim is in the first sentence of the first point in the letter. They just call it "unlawful". Maybe I should accuse you of disinformation now? Or did you just lie to yourself again?
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Old 19th December 2017, 01:11 PM   #3516
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Well, as logger is away, I take it upon me to post the latest from the conservative treehouse. So far I found that the site has quite good research (didn't know it before logger linked to it).

That's a summary of what is emerging, headed by the full letter from the Trump transition team to congress. It makes no sense to quote it in part, as it need some space to develop. Sources at the bottom of the article.

Summarizing, that "small group" which is mostly identified and already scrutinized by congress investigation seems to have
  • taken care that the Killary eMail investigation went nowhere
  • fabricated and used the piss dossier to legalize the surveillance of the Trump team
  • after the election brought the Russiagate CT into its overheated form to cover up what they had done
  • helped create and then infiltrated the Mueller investigation to make sure it doesn't turn stones under which they didn't want anybody to look
And there seems to be a potential crown witness, Bill Priestap, head of FBI counter-intelligence.

I for one have popcorn ready.

That is some crazy whack **** alright (it all started with Obama? Golly?) and the comments are "revealing" to say the least.
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Old 19th December 2017, 01:27 PM   #3517
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
Well, as logger is away, I take it upon me to post the latest from the conservative treehouse. So far I found that the site has quite good research (didn't know it before logger linked to it).

That's a summary of what is emerging, headed by the full letter from the Trump transition team to congress. It makes no sense to quote it in part, as it need some space to develop. Sources at the bottom of the article.

Summarizing, that "small group" which is mostly identified and already scrutinized by congress investigation seems to have
  • taken care that the Killary eMail investigation went nowhere
  • fabricated and used the piss dossier to legalize the surveillance of the Trump team
  • after the election brought the Russiagate CT into its overheated form to cover up what they had done
  • helped create and then infiltrated the Mueller investigation to make sure it doesn't turn stones under which they didn't want anybody to look
And there seems to be a potential crown witness, Bill Priestap, head of FBI counter-intelligence.

I for one have popcorn ready.

A citation from a crap source is still crap even if the source of the crap is supposed to be based on some sort of conservative ideal.
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A citation from a crap source is still crap even if the source of the crap is supposed to be based on some sort of conservative ideal.

^ Quod erat demonstrandum.
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Old 19th December 2017, 01:43 PM   #3519
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Of great use to a development of accurate understanding of reality for you would be to drop the naive notion that there are "unbiased" journalistic sources. What's important is transparency, and that's why a source called "conservative treehouse" or "world socialist web site" is preferable in principle (if their research is solid) to one that pretends to be fair and balanced, first and foremost the "papers of record" which are anything but that.
There's your problem. The "research" required to get from "Strzok said mean things about Trump" to that conspiracy theory seems to be mainly of the psychic sort.
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
^ Quod erat demonstrandum.
If you can ever figure out what just it is that you are talking about, then kindly let the rest of us know.
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