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All things Trump + Russia Part 2
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I have to echo the "Who cares about Hillary?" sentiment.
I heard Hannity going on and on about this on the radio yesterday and I just found it very odd. She's a has been. She is yesterday's news. She has never been, and never will be, president. It just made me think that they were pretty desperate to change the subject. I haven't been following the whole Russia subject all that closely. To be honest, it seemed to me somewhat overblown. Yeah, it looks bad. It makes Donald Trump seem sleazy, underhanded, and generally a rotten person. Yeah? Tell me something I don't know. However, I didn't, and still don't, see anything criminal. However, what I do see is a lot of scrambling. A lot of weasel words and some outright lies. A desperate need to change the subject. It really makes me think that what we've seen in the public press so far is just the beginning, and that they are actually hiding something big. So, let the investigations continue, and let the media keep up the pressure. Their reactions lately make me think that there is something here that goes beyond "bad optics". |
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Putting the timeline on here for starters
Adding events pertaining to Roger Stone / Podesta: My additions in Red
**Unusual activity noticed between Russian bank and Trump server ETA:*** http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...aundering-case |
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I understand the Hillary stuff as a distraction, but I think there is more to its' use than that.
It seems it is being used as a tacit admission that Trump and his administration is just as bad as many of us expected they would be. Trump was elected on a wave of anti-Clinton sentiment, in spite of it being very obvious that he was about as bad of a choice for President as we could ever expect. If you voted for him anyway, it now behooves you to show that Clinton was somehow demonstrably worse- or admit your error and weaken your party. I think that is what is driving the Hillary fixation at least as much as the need for a distraction on behalf of the Retrumplicans. |
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2.../#62703a9212ab When and if the poo hits the fan with this Russia stuff (impeachment) Fox News watchers will believe it is a vast left wing conspiracy with no basis in merit...and they'll continue to chime, "Trump Jr.'s e-mails? What about her e-mails?!" Fox needs to continue to feed their base what their base wants to hear. Yesterday CNN's head line was about the Russian KGB (or whatever) operative at the meeting and here is what was on Fox at the same time: |
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15th July 2017, 07:29 AM | #6 |
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You're not looking. To start with, there is a clear cut unambiguous case of obstruction of justice against Trump himself with all the things Trump did to try and halt the Russia investigation. The only part of that may have been hard to prove was Trump's intent. It isn't any more with the new revelations.
Then there is the fact that many members of his staff omitted listing meetings with Russian nationals on their security clearance applications. Those are felonies. From Flynn to Sessions to Kushner to Donald Jr. There appears to be many probable cases for money laundering to violations of Intelligence laws. If Muller hasn't hired accountants to go through Trump and Trump corporation financials he isn't doing his job. |
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A U.S. spy says Russia's approach to Donnie looks like traditional tradecraft:
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There's sort of a hierarchy of talking heads and pundits in the world. At the bottom are the bloggers. As you move up, you get guests on local radio shows, and columnists, and hot selling authors, and then you work your way up to people who give one on one interviews in major media on prime time.
Right now, the people on the bottom rung are seeing clear evidence of criminal activity and impeachable offenses, but the people at the top of the hierarchy aren't nearly so certain. When Alan Derschowitz (sp?) starts talking about Obstruction of Justice and impeachment, my ears will perk up. For the moment, there's an awful lot of stuff worth investigating, to see if there's more stuff underneath. |
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Why don't you look at the evidence yourself instead of waiting to see what the talking heads are saying?
For the record, there are several top-rung people talking about impeachment and obstruction of justice. The problem is that the GOP controls the means to bring the President to justice, and they ain't budging. |
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Corrected
Adding events pertaining to Roger Stone / Podesta: My additions in Red
**Unusual activity noticed between Russian bank and Trump server ETA:*** http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...aundering-case |
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Maybe the Trump apologists and sycophants will get some traction by reminding everyone about all the Obama scandals:
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A more professional timeline
http://billmoyers.com/story/the-trum...esident-trump/ I'll add in a few other events fro that - unless anyone else wants to - after all I'm just picking up from Varwooche |
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* " “It was a short introductory meeting. I asked Jared and Paul to stop by. We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago and was since ended by the Russian government, but it was not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow up… I was asked to attend the meeting by an acquaintance, but was not told the name of the person I would be meeting with beforehand.”" *“I was asked to have a meeting by an acquaintance I knew from the 2013 Miss Universe pageant with an individual who I was told might have information helpful to the campaign. I was not told her name prior to the meeting. I asked Jared and Paul to attend, but told them nothing of the substance. We had a meeting in June 2016. After pleasantries were exchanged, the woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Ms. Clinton. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was provided or even offered. It quickly became clear that she had no meaningful information. She then changed subjects and began discussing the adoption of Russian children and mentioned the Magnitsky Act. It became clear to me that this was the true agenda all along and that the claims of potentially helpful information were a pretext for the meeting. I interrupted and advised her that my father was not an elected official, but rather a private citizen, and that her comments and concerns were better addressed if and when he held public office. The meeting lasted approximately 20 to 30 minutes. As it ended, my acquaintance apologized for taking up our time. That was the end of it and there was no further contact or follow-up of any kind. My father knew nothing of the meeting or these events.” |
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Dershowitz is is a publicity whore and a tool. He'd sell his mother if the price was right. He certainly isn't on the top level of talking heads. He's grossly overrated as a legal mind. He was talking out his ass when he was suggesting that Amanda Knox was guilty. He didn't have a clue about the case. He backtracked on that eventually. The man is totally lacking in integrity and like Trump is far more interested in promoting himself than offering any honest legal opinion.
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From my worm's eye view, Richard Painter seems pretty credible
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...ans-disturbing
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Hannity Blames Obama And Blackmail For Trump Jr's Meeting With The Russians
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Huh?
From my view. Trump is clearly guilty of obstruction. It's not even close any more. There is too much there there. That said, I don't think there is a chance in hell he is prosecuted or impeached for this as long as the GOP controls the House. This is a hell of a lot more than what they had on Nixon. They are going to have to show Trump giving Putin a blow job before people turn against him. |
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Dershowitz is just trying to inject himself into the news cycle, like Gingrich. His position on what was or was not criminal isn't credible.
Heard a good analysis on CNN interviewing people with expertise on how Russia recruits people. It fit the Jr meeting picture perfectly. FBI documents detail how the Russians try to recruit spies
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Simply amazing that this was on Fox News. Time to dump dumb Trump, the prince of liars.
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Here's an interesting tidbit in from the most recent FEC filings:
The Trump campaign began paying Don Jr's lawyer about two weeks before the email story broke, per new FEC filing |
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And then: "The campaign is also paying the Trump Corp. for legal consulting, a new category of campaign-to-Trump company payments as best I can tell"
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Yea, but you will know before Dershowitz.
My point is that Trump is unquestionably guilty.But he was guilty of crimes BEFORE he became President. Every day he is breaking the emoluments and nobody gives a damn. I'm not sure what people expect for evidence. It's like if there's not a canceled check from Putin to Trump for a hundred million dollars with 'for election tampering' on it will his supporters care and I'm not sure even then. |
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Yes, the Dems decided on blackmail, and then didn't act on any of the information provided to allow Trump to win the election, so they could float this Nothing Burger a year later.
I'll admit it has a certain all encompassing CT charm to it. But Frankly, we're just not that good. |
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