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6th December 2017, 01:48 PM | #3161 |
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6th December 2017, 04:58 PM | #3162 |
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7th December 2017, 06:57 AM | #3163 |
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7th December 2017, 09:35 AM | #3164 |
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7th December 2017, 10:16 AM | #3165 |
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No one has posted anything about Flynns text ?
http://www.newsweek.com/mike-flynns-...experts-740246 According to the whistleblower, Flynn also wanted U.S. sanctions against Russia lifted in order to complete an international energy project he was working on. The whistleblower said Flynn texted his former business associate on the day of Trump’s inauguration to say that the project was “good to go.” The information was given to Representative Elijah Cummings of Maryland, the top Democrat on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, who published an open letter on Wednesday to the committee’s chairman, Trey Gowdy, explaining the revelations. “General Michael Flynn—within minutes of Donald Trump being sworn in as president—was communicating directly with his former business colleagues about their plans to work with Russia to build nuclear reactors in the Middle East,” the letter reads. "Our committee has credible allegations that President Trump's national security advisor sought to manipulate the course of international nuclear policy for the financial gain of his former business partners,” Cummings continued. “These grave allegations compel a full, credible and bipartisan congressional investigation.” |
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7th December 2017, 10:23 AM | #3166 |
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cir·cum·stan·tial ˌsərkəmˈstan(t)SH(ə)l/Submit adjective 1. (of evidence or a legal case) pointing indirectly toward someone's guilt but not conclusively proving it. synonyms: indirect, inferred, deduced, conjectural; More In the (near) future when Mueller presents evidence of obstruction and collusion, all I can picture is that your response will be "I never said it wasn't all true, I was just being a true skeptic and saying none of you could have actually made a reasonable case that this was all coming ..... |
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7th December 2017, 10:24 AM | #3167 |
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7th December 2017, 10:26 AM | #3168 |
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7th December 2017, 10:29 AM | #3169 |
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7th December 2017, 07:01 PM | #3170 |
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To defend Emily's Cat, who I often disagree with on these matters, I sure as heck don't know what's coming from the investigation, aside from what we've seen thus far. I'm content to wait and see.
Do I think that Trump's family did something illegal? I'm no lawyer, but Jr. sure seemed to be fishing for dirt from a Russian who had ties to the government (and he knew it). That sounds pretty bad to me. Do I think Trump did something illegal? Seems kinda likely, because the campaign was not so astute to insulate him from bad decisions. But I sure don't know either of these things. So, I'll wait and watch. |
7th December 2017, 07:40 PM | #3171 |
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I think we've seen this investigation go in a steady direction that most investigations go. Up the ladder.
Is this going towards some myth that only true skeptics wait until all the evidence is in? That may be true when making a conclusion, but there's plenty here to make an educated guess. Denying that is the opposite of skepticism. There are mounds of evidence pointing to collusion on varying levels, and has been pointed out ad nauseum, circumstantial evidence is still evidence. If you don't agree with it, or it's not enough, then fine. Others are able to make what they feel is an informed decision. Neither is "wrong" or even needs defending. I'm positive they did something illegal. I have no idea if it's related to Russia, money laundering, or what it will point to, but I know they did something illegal. Trump and co. have been linked, or accused, of almost everything in the book. Paying off attorneys, misuse of donations, he lies almost constantly, he even went as far as to have a fake ass doctor write a ******** health diagnosis for absolutely no reason. There is nothing at all that leads me to believe the opposite. Sweet. I think there's more than enough to establish a pattern of behavior and the evidence is piling on. |
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7th December 2017, 10:32 PM | #3172 |
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Skepticism is characterized by a willingness to say that I don't know and by careful reasoning.
In this case, I can't say that even a preponderance of the evidence points to illegalities by Trump himself. There's some suggestive stuff out there, but not enough for me to think the odds are greater than 50/50 yet. So I'll wait and see. If I had any practical role in the investigation, perhaps I wouldn't have the luxury of waiting, but I don't. I don't have to have an opinion on these things, so waiting and seeing seems the best option to me. None of this is to suggest that Trump is a respectable man or anything close to a reasonable choice for President. He's one of the least likeable public figures I've seen, an incompetent egotist with not any interest in actual policy or principles, a boob who lies just as soon as blink. |
7th December 2017, 10:34 PM | #3173 |
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My my my!
The Dems little ruse is continuing to unravel. https://theconservativetreehouse.com...s/#more-143111 |
8th December 2017, 12:04 AM | #3174 |
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Or not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald...Russia_dossier Steele, the author, was MI6 between 1987 and 2009 and was a specialist on Russia. He has stated that he believes that 70-90% of the dossier is true. He had and still has a very good reputation -- far, far better than Trump's. Former British ambassador to Moscow Sir Andrew Wood has vouched for Steele's reputation. He views Steele as a "very competent professional operator ... I take the report seriously. I don't think it's totally implausible." He also stated that "the report's key allegation – that Trump and Russia's leadership were communicating via secret back channels during the presidential campaign – was eminently plausible".So, they can check out Steele's sources and see if the document has any validity. Maybe it doesn't. However: In his testimony, Page admitted he met with high ranking Kremlin officials. Previously, Page had denied meeting any Russian officials during the trip. His comments appeared to corroborate portions of the dossier.But this isn't biggest problem. If you follow the rather long and twisted logic of the article, the entire investigation into Trump is based on a fictitious document paid for by Clinton. In other words, poor little Donny is the innocent victim of master criminal, Hillary. Unfortunately for this claim: Robert S. Litt, a former lawyer for the Director of National Intelligence, wrote that the dossier "played absolutely no role" in the intelligence community's determination that Russia had interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. |
8th December 2017, 12:12 AM | #3175 |
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This whole thing is an incredible battle: reality vs gawd knows what.
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And if the truth is exactly as stated? Would you be willing to accept it or would you hide behind more claims of conspiracy? How would you react if it did play a minor role in helping direct attention towards some of the things mentioned in it that did little more than further confirm the intelligence community's determination after separate verification, for that matter?
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8th December 2017, 05:50 AM | #3179 |
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8th December 2017, 05:52 AM | #3180 |
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I took EC to be referring to numerous "unnamed senior administration/intelligence officials" as the basis for much of what is discussed as accepted fact.
ETA: the "helpful" infographic with the dude in a hoodie hacking the DNC being touted as some kind of evidence was probably one of my personal favorites. This is where the tapatalk signature that annoys people used to be |
8th December 2017, 07:33 AM | #3183 |
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CJ Hopkins reviews the year in propaganda. I love this guy.
The Year of the Headless Liberal Chicken
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At the end of the year:
Originally Posted by CJ Hopkins
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8th December 2017, 07:37 AM | #3184 |
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8th December 2017, 08:22 AM | #3187 |
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Well, at least he does admit that the wheels have come off of Trump's wagon; he just wants you to feel better about it by distorting the facts and insulting liberals. But I guess that's the only solace the dwindling number of Trump supporters are likely to find over the next year or so.
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8th December 2017, 08:59 AM | #3188 |
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/08/politi...cee/index.html
Same over at CNN. One needs to wonder what she has to gain by telling this? Does she not like the commander-in-ept? Is she trying to take him down so she's explaining that GP wasn't just a cofeve boy? |
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You mean why a fiancee of someone who tried to rank up by making up nonsense about how he met Putin's niece and some other junk (Putin doesn't have nieces, btw) wants that her dubious breadwinner gets a place in history, in interviews that likely aren't without breadwinning as well? I agree, it's a total mystery. |
8th December 2017, 05:14 PM | #3194 |
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I think this has been plagiarized from one of the Hillary threads I don't believe in altering quotes, so:
I'm positive they did something illegal. I have no idea if it's related to the email server, Clinton Foundation, Bill's penis, or what it will point to, but I know they did something illegal. Hillary and co. have been linked, or accused, of almost everything in the book. Destroying evidence, misuse of donations, rape, murder, she lies almost constantly, she even went as far as to have a fake ass excuse that she had only one device for no reason. There is nothing at all that leads me to believe the opposite. Turns out she's as innocent as the Virgin Mary. Just having fun, I can't make heads or tails of half of what's going on right now. |
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It's a poor sort of memory that only works backward - Lewis Carroll (1832-1898) God can make a cow out of a tree, but has He ever done so? Therefore show some reason why a thing is so, or cease to hold that it is so - William of Conches, c1150 |
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8th December 2017, 05:49 PM | #3197 |
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I'd class myself as of the elite and people sometimes get the impression I'm talking down to them. A surprising number don't even notice.
I imagine you'd class yourself similarly, and you do little to endear yourself or our class to the plebs. This is not uncommon, so the picture they get of our class is unattractive at best. |
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