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14th December 2017, 09:10 AM | #3364 |
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The investigation is so biased that Meuller dismissed one of his team because the guy said some bad things about Trump....
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14th December 2017, 09:12 AM | #3365 |
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Even though the reactions are overblown, you do highlight a legitimate problem.
We want the investigators to have their heads screwed on straight, yes? If everyone with a negative view of Trump were filtered out, we're left with a fantastically sketchy pool of dimwits and water carriers. |
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14th December 2017, 09:25 AM | #3369 |
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This is my main takeaway. While it's true that there are questions to be answered (it appears there may be evidence of bias in both directions, albeit much more evidence towards an anti-Clinton bias, and both need to be investigated thoroughly), one thing that is clear and agreed upon by news outlets from both sides of the political spectrum is that when it was brought to his attention that one of his agents in the investigation may be compromised Mueller had him removed. This speaks to Mueller's credibility.
When it was brought to Trump's attention that Flynn had been compromised by Russia, Trump kept Flynn on and fired the person who brought it to his attention. This speaks to Trump's credibility. |
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Yes, I do know how this works, or at least how worked before fascists took control: After the election, both Republicans and Democrats called for investigations into how the FBI had conducted the Clinton email investigation, a job that falls to the DoJ's Inspector General. That's been done, and not a single case of not following procedures was found. Not a single case of bias causing any improper of unethical behavior was found.
TrumpCo is actively trying to destroy the underpinnings of our democracy, and Republicans are going along because they know that if they don't help him save his sorry ass, it will be the end of their grip on power, too. Scumbag traitors, the lot of them. How successful they will be over the next year remains to be seen, but the solution to the real problem is obvious: To save our democracy, the current version of the Republican Party must die. This is way beyond partisan bickering now. |
14th December 2017, 09:28 AM | #3371 |
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What does an unbiased investigation even mean?
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14th December 2017, 09:34 AM | #3372 |
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There's a difference between conducting an unbiased investigation, and an investigation being conducted by unbiased people.
I would think that the latter are going to be almost impossible to find with respect to the President, and furthermore, anyone unbiased is unlikely to be in a position to conduct an investigation of any quality. However, people with a bias are quite capable of acting in an unbiased way, and conducting a high quality, unbiased investigation. |
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14th December 2017, 09:34 AM | #3373 |
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Abramson's been compiling a list of everything we know (publicly) about the Trump-Russia connection. Mueller almost certainly has a lot more.
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...20497823215616 |
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I don't know why I bother, but ...
https://oig.justice.gov/press/2017/2017-01-12.pdf FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE January 12, 2017 DOJ OIG Announces Initiation of Review Oh, and look: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/u...y-clinton.html Comey Letter on Clinton Email Is Subject of Justice Dept. Inquiry By ADAM GOLDMAN, ERIC LICHTBLAU and MATT APUZZOJAN. 12, 2017 WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s inspector general said Thursday that he would open a broad investigation into how the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, handled the case over Hillary Clinton’s emails, including his decision to discuss it at a news conference and to disclose 11 days before the election that he had new information that could lead him to reopen it. But yeah, your claim that "The leftist news sources that inform you won’t post anything like this" is really spot on .... |
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Since everyone is human, then everyone has some amount of bias about everything.
Accordingly, the question is not if certain investigators have anti-Trump bias, because there are some who do, In fact, due to the recent anti-FBI comments that have been made by that stupid, idiotic, greedy, liar Trump, I am sure that there are more than a few FBI agents who hate Trump. But what 'logger' has consistently failed to understand is that just because some investigators may have anti-Trump feelings, that does not automatically mean that these investigators will produce an anti-Trump investigation. Therefore, unless 'logger', or someone else, can show that the personal feelings of the investigators are producing a flawed investigation, then I will continue to have faith in that investigation. |
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The Mueller investigation is dead. It saved face with those process crimes and that money laundering thing all having nothing to do with the conspiracy they were supposed to expose. Instead they discovered that they were infiltrated by people instrumental in conspiring to hoax the supposed conspiracy in the first place. Reason? Meddle in the election. The picture is pretty complete now and you seem to totally miss it because you tell yourself that it just exists on websites with names like "conservativetreehouse". But you're wrong. Read this, it's a quite succinct summary of the latest developments (Strzok is the guy who was fired from the Mueller investigation, in your belief for "saying bad things about Trump"): Fake News, Sedition and Public Apathy |
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The Mueller investigation is heading toward a conclusion that won't actually surprise anyone, least of all Russian propagandists. If Trump manages to stop it, that will trigger an even more immediate result. People who think the Republican opportunists in Congress will stand by Trump when the going gets tough are dreaming.
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The article is you linked is nothing but ridiculous CT level musings. Here is a nice fact-free paragraph as an example: Strzok, unlike Gump, was not a passive observer. He was an active participant with the authority and the power to set the course of investigations into both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. In the case of Strzok we now know that Lady Justice in Strzok world is not blind. That's why we get the bizarre decision to grant Clinton aides, Abedin and Mills, immunity in testimony without pre-condition. That's why Hillary gets the kid glove treatment from Strzok and his team despite clear evidence that she had mishandled Top Secret material, including Special Access Program (aka SAP) intelligence. And that is why Strzok played a key role in pushing the sordid, politically suspect Trump dossier as sound intel to justify domestic spying on Donald Trump and his team. All done in the name of saving America. I can't help but continue to laugh at the "logic" of the argument that since the media has not published Muellers evidence, he therefor has none. Sure, stick a fork in Mueller, he's done. |
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Abramson's second thread detailing what evidence is currently publicly known about ties between the Trump campaign/administration and Putin: https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/sta...76110381731841
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I read the Washington Post every day and there is nothing in there about the Muller investigation being dead. I used to read the NY Times as well, but I no longer do so.
In any case, if you want people to take your postings seriously, then do yourself a favor and provide decent sources to support your postings. |
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You posted this before, and I asked you about it in post 3130 but you never responded.
It has been widely reported that it was the Washington Free Beacon (not GOP primary candidates) funded Fusion GPS up until the spring in 2016. Christopher Steele was not brought in until June, 2016, two months after Perkins Coie retained them to continue the research. How could the dossier be "already on the market"? What am I missing? |
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No one seems to be considering that Strzok might just hate Trump partially because of the evidence he was seeing about Trump in the investigation.
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"Thomas Paine," the founder of True Pundit claimed that the NYPD had found evidence of all sorts of crime in the emails on Weiner's computer, and declared that if Comey wasn't fired, he was going to publish all the details right before the election. Giuliani, Bannon, et al, pushed this story, as did Russian bots. This put pressure on Comey to make the public acknowledgement that the emails were being examined; otherwise, even if the claim that NYPD found criminal evidence turned out to be BS -- which it was -- Comey would look like he was protecting Clinton.
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I heard that NYC office FBI agents (not the NYPD) would leak the email story because some of them were anti Clinton.
What is the Occam's razor explanation for all these anti Trump and anti Clinton FBI stories? I think it is simply these were the most disliked presidential candidates and a bunch of people in this country really really disliked one or the other. |
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Yes, there is the rumor that NY FBI agents were threatening to leak about the email investigation, but the True Pundit claimed that the NYPD (which initially confiscated Weiner's computer) had found evidence of crimes that the FBI was trying to cover up and they were going to "blow the whistle" on the FBI.
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Thanks, I am aware of that story, didn't know some of those details though.
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