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Old 15th December 2017, 03:07 PM   #3441
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It's worth remembering that Trump originally claimed he fired Comey because he felt Comey was unfair to Hillary in how he investigated the email scandal.
Yeah, anytime Trump says anything, it's worth remembering that Trump just says stuff, and that he appears to be quite capable of lying to himself, too.
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Old 15th December 2017, 03:26 PM   #3442
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It's worth remembering that Trump originally claimed he fired Comey because he felt Comey was unfair to Hillary in how he investigated the email scandal.
The way Trump remembers that now is he fired Comey for not prosecuting Clinton.
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Old 15th December 2017, 03:38 PM   #3443
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Oh, jeez... After saying that the FBI is in "taters" and the "worst in history" and that he was gonna need to "rebuild" it to save the country from the outrageous scandal of having agents that don't like Trump, Trump goes to the FBI agent graduates and tells them he's "got your back 100%." Provided, of course, that you like Trump and don't donate to Democrats. Otherwise, you can't be trusted, and according to the "legal expert" Trump listens to on Fox, you should not only be fired; you should be marched out in handcuffs.

Please make it stop...
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Old 15th December 2017, 04:22 PM   #3444
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NEW: DOJ Inspector General says in letter to House Judiciary that “the department did not consult with OIG before sharing the text messages with the press.” Full story TK
In other words, this was an illegal leak.
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Old 15th December 2017, 04:50 PM   #3445
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Rosenstein had a very hard time answering this question in the House Judiciary Committee hearing two days ago. He hemmed and hawed and never answered who was responsible for the press release of the emails.

It's very interesting that all the 'leaks' from the FBI have been either damaging to Clinton or positive for the Trump agenda, while the very tight ship with no leaks has occurred with anything negative about Trump.

One might just question whether there was anything different about the Clinton haters within the FBI who leaked politically damaging things like sieves compared to the Trump haters within the FBI who merely complain privately about Trump and don't actually leak confidential information.

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Old 15th December 2017, 06:24 PM   #3446
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Are we yet at the point where the FBI paid for The Steele Dossier (a Robert Ludlum novel, soon to be a major film or mini-series)?

I'm waiting eagerly for The Flynn Squeal, which has franchise written all over it.
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Old 15th December 2017, 06:28 PM   #3447
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Essentially I couldn't care less. Again, this isn't about the Mueller investigation's "bias" (that's what the Washington Pest pre$$titutes want you to believe - real journalism LOL), it is about how it came into being in the first place.

And I must ask that you folks stop bothering me with this strawman nonsense. I know you aren't that dumb. Talk to the mirror, that's where the denial is addressed at in the first place. Good luck overcoming your pride.
If you can ever figure out just what it is that you are bitching about, then please let the rest of know.
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Old 15th December 2017, 06:39 PM   #3448
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
I'll quote the last paragraph from the article on Pat Lang's blog (read the "about" page, these are very serious people) I've linked to yesterday:




Let's assume the premises are correct. I don't think anybody of the regular Russia CT posters here agrees with that paragraph. You all think the ends justify the means, in this case, and wish they had been successful. Hence the refusal to even acknowledge the topic. N'est-ce pas?
I think the refusal to acknowledge it is because the premises are false.

I personally just think they are unproven like everything else here.

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Old 15th December 2017, 06:40 PM   #3449
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Originally Posted by WilliamSeger View Post
Oh, jeez... After saying that the FBI is in "taters" and the "worst in history" and that he was gonna need to "rebuild" it to save the country from the outrageous scandal of having agents that don't like Trump, Trump goes to the FBI agent graduates and tells them he's "got your back 100%." Provided, of course, that you like Trump and don't donate to Democrats. Otherwise, you can't be trusted, and according to the "legal expert" Trump listens to on Fox, you should not only be fired; you should be marched out in handcuffs.
I doubt FBI agent graduates missed Trump trash-talking the FBI to ingratiate himself with some Russians - in the Oval Office. If they did miss it then something is going wrong.

Trump's trash-talking of the US and its venerable institutions has been a peculiar feature of his Presidency. All aimed at Obama, of course, but doing considerable collateral damage.
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Old 15th December 2017, 06:59 PM   #3450
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I think the refusal to acknowledge it is because the premises are false.
Quite. I don't think Childlike Empress appreciates how much of that sad piece is premise rather than reasoned conclusion. What purports to be reasoning is, in fact, prefectly circular.

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I personally just think they are unproven like everything else here.
Nothing's proven, but some things are plausible and others aren't.

This :

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"... during the final year of Barack Obama's Presidency, key leaders of the intelligence and law enforcement bureaucracies conspired and collaborated to destroy Donald Trump. "
is not remotely plausible.
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Old 15th December 2017, 07:04 PM   #3451
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Originally Posted by CapelDodger View Post
Quite. I don't think Childlike Empress appreciates how much of that sad piece is premise rather than reasoned conclusion. What purports to be reasoning is, in fact, prefectly circular.

Nothing's proven, but some things are plausible and others aren't.

This :

is not remotely plausible.
It is remotely possible.
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Old 15th December 2017, 07:23 PM   #3452
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
It is remotely possible.
So is solipsism and the non-existence of an objective reality, but you won't get an interesting conversation outside the bounds of plausibility.

To my mind there's an actual paradox between the contention that FBI bias can sustain the Mueller enquiry while a grand coalition of state agencies and the sitting President was unable to prevent Trump's election. Which is what "Sic Semper Tyrannis"', and by cite and extension Childlike Empress, contend.
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Old 16th December 2017, 02:47 AM   #3453
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
I'll quote the last paragraph from the article on Pat Lang's blog (read the "about" page, these are very serious people) I've linked to yesterday:




Let's assume the premises are correct. I don't think anybody of the regular Russia CT posters here agrees with that paragraph. You all think the ends justify the means, in this case, and wish they had been successful. Hence the refusal to even acknowledge the topic. N'est-ce pas?
I'm a little unsure of what you're trying to say.

But, yes, let's assume that the premises (and even conclusions) of that article are correct, and that there are no huge leaps of logic or conclusions which don't follow from their premises or arguments - let's say for the sake of argument that there was absolutely no collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. All that means is that the investigation into that subject will exculpate everybody involved, right? So we should leave the investigation be to come to its conclusions.
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Old 16th December 2017, 03:08 AM   #3454
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It is remotely possible.
Read my sig.
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Old 16th December 2017, 07:00 AM   #3455
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So is solipsism and the non-existence of an objective reality, but you won't get an interesting conversation outside the bounds of plausibility.
Those are the most interesting conversations.
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Old 16th December 2017, 07:41 AM   #3456
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Those are the most interesting conversations.
But *please* not in this thread.

Religion and Philosophy maybe.

Maybe a new thread entitled "Implausible but interesting hypotheses about Trump and Russia"?

You do bring good stuff to threads every so often, but also you derail stuff
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https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/c...-gop-campaigns

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Buried in the campaign finance reports available to the public are some troubling connections between a group of wealthy donors with ties to Russia and their political contributions to President Donald Trump and a number of top Republican leaders. And thanks to changes in campaign finance laws, the political contributions are legal. We have allowed our campaign finance laws to become a strategic threat to our country.
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I'm a little unsure of what you're trying to say.

But, yes, let's assume that the premises (and even conclusions) of that article are correct, and that there are no huge leaps of logic or conclusions which don't follow from their premises or arguments - let's say for the sake of argument that there was absolutely no collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. All that means is that the investigation into that subject will exculpate everybody involved, right? So we should leave the investigation be to come to its conclusions.

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Trump should fire Mueller as quickly as possible. There is no crime to investigate, so there is no need for an investigator. Oh, and he should fire Rosenstein for initiating the witch hunt based only on a fake news barrage from the WaPo propaganda rag.
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Lol
Libs can never be trusted to do this. Their ideology is a higher calling. The actions of leftist are all over the news.
Saying something is all over the news is not reliable evidence, if one's premise is that all news except Fox is fake.
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I wish for your sake I could fire that right back at you, but I know that you actually are.
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Old 16th December 2017, 02:35 PM   #3462
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Trump should fire Mueller as quickly as possible. There is no crime to investigate, so there is no need for an investigator.
Yup, that's how it works. You first determine whether or not there's been a crime, then if there has you start an investigation into whether or not there's been a crime. Flawless.
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Old 16th December 2017, 03:28 PM   #3463
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
But *please* not in this thread.

Religion and Philosophy maybe.

Maybe a new thread entitled "Implausible but interesting hypotheses about Trump and Russia"?

You do bring good stuff to threads every so often, but also you derail stuff
about 1 out of 99 comments are ok, the rest are horrible, definitely make the forum a worse place
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Essentially I couldn't care less. Again, this isn't about the Mueller investigation's "bias" (that's what the Washington Pest pre$$titutes want you to believe - real journalism LOL), it is about how it came into being in the first place.

And I must ask that you folks stop bothering me with this strawman nonsense. I know you aren't that dumb. Talk to the mirror, that's where the denial is addressed at in the first place. Good luck overcoming your pride.
Can you define what "real Journalism" is for the class ?
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Can you define what "real Journalism" is for the class ?
Putin funded.
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Putin funded.
And it's another nomination for pith.

I think it's my third nom this month. I won't know who to vote for.
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Trump should fire Mueller as quickly as possible. There is no crime to investigate, so there is no need for an investigator. Oh, and he should fire Rosenstein for initiating the witch hunt based only on a fake news barrage from the WaPo propaganda rag.
By that logic, since everyone in the USA is considered innocent until proven guilty, we should abolish the entire legal system.
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CDC is military, right? Email them and ask them to protect national security. https://wwwn.cdc.gov/dcs/ContactUs/Form
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Have you guys and Gals seen this yet?
http://Check out this post in the Tr...b-e48ee28a1a17

Wonder if more dirt is going to come out on other Republicans?

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CDC is military, right? Email them and ask them to protect national security. https://wwwn.cdc.gov/dcs/ContactUs/Form
It is an executive branch agency under HHS.

Executive power is vested in the president of the United States. No one at the CDC has independent power to determine what is national security separate from the president.
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Have you guys and Gals seen this yet?
Check out this post in the Trump family vibe:
Mueller obtains thousands of Trump transition emails


Wonder if more dirt is going to come out on other Republicans?

Fixed your link. Here's the ultimate destination, though: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/speci...081209044.html
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And, yes, that story is under discussion in the Mueller thread.
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Fixed your link. Here's the ultimate destination, though: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/speci...081209044.html

Thank you what I am wondering is if the Republicans trying to Stop the Mueller Investigation know he has dirt on them as well.
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Ty Cobb said on the record that "Mueller will not be fired".
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Trump should fire Mueller as quickly as possible. There is no crime to investigate, so there is no need for an investigator. Oh, and he should fire Rosenstein for initiating the witch hunt based only on a fake news barrage from the WaPo propaganda rag.
There was no crime but there have been 2 convictions? Could you explain this to me?
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Thank you what I am wondering is if the Republicans trying to Stop the Mueller Investigation know he has dirt on them as well.
No way to tell without actual inside knowledge. After all, the normal behavior of the GOP leadership in this country has changed to something so absurdly partisan and independent from facts that innocent and guilty are pretty much indistinguishable.
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Trump should fire Mueller as quickly as possible. There is no crime to investigate, so there is no need for an investigator. Oh, and he should fire Rosenstein for initiating the witch hunt based only on a fake news barrage from the WaPo propaganda rag.
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There was no crime but there have been 2 convictions? Could you explain this to me?
Mental gymnastics, uneven bars.
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Trump should fire Mueller as quickly as possible. There is no crime to investigate, so there is no need for an investigator. Oh, and he should fire Rosenstein for initiating the witch hunt based only on a fake news barrage from the WaPo propaganda rag.
You're not fooling me, Cain; it's against the forum rules to have two logins.
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There was no crime but there have been 2 convictions? Could you explain this to me?
FBI bias.
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