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15th December 2017, 03:07 PM | #3441 |
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15th December 2017, 03:38 PM | #3443 |
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Oh, jeez... After saying that the FBI is in "taters" and the "worst in history" and that he was gonna need to "rebuild" it to save the country from the outrageous scandal of having agents that don't like Trump, Trump goes to the FBI agent graduates and tells them he's "got your back 100%." Provided, of course, that you like Trump and don't donate to Democrats. Otherwise, you can't be trusted, and according to the "legal expert" Trump listens to on Fox, you should not only be fired; you should be marched out in handcuffs.
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15th December 2017, 04:22 PM | #3444 |
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15th December 2017, 04:50 PM | #3445 |
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Rosenstein had a very hard time answering this question in the House Judiciary Committee hearing two days ago. He hemmed and hawed and never answered who was responsible for the press release of the emails.
It's very interesting that all the 'leaks' from the FBI have been either damaging to Clinton or positive for the Trump agenda, while the very tight ship with no leaks has occurred with anything negative about Trump. One might just question whether there was anything different about the Clinton haters within the FBI who leaked politically damaging things like sieves compared to the Trump haters within the FBI who merely complain privately about Trump and don't actually leak confidential information. |
15th December 2017, 06:24 PM | #3446 |
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Are we yet at the point where the FBI paid for The Steele Dossier (a Robert Ludlum novel, soon to be a major film or mini-series)?
I'm waiting eagerly for The Flynn Squeal, which has franchise written all over it. |
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15th December 2017, 06:28 PM | #3447 |
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15th December 2017, 06:39 PM | #3448 |
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15th December 2017, 06:40 PM | #3449 |
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I doubt FBI agent graduates missed Trump trash-talking the FBI to ingratiate himself with some Russians - in the Oval Office. If they did miss it then something is going wrong.
Trump's trash-talking of the US and its venerable institutions has been a peculiar feature of his Presidency. All aimed at Obama, of course, but doing considerable collateral damage. |
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15th December 2017, 06:59 PM | #3450 |
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Quite. I don't think Childlike Empress appreciates how much of that sad piece is premise rather than reasoned conclusion. What purports to be reasoning is, in fact, prefectly circular.
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15th December 2017, 07:04 PM | #3451 |
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15th December 2017, 07:23 PM | #3452 |
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So is solipsism and the non-existence of an objective reality, but you won't get an interesting conversation outside the bounds of plausibility.
To my mind there's an actual paradox between the contention that FBI bias can sustain the Mueller enquiry while a grand coalition of state agencies and the sitting President was unable to prevent Trump's election. Which is what "Sic Semper Tyrannis"', and by cite and extension Childlike Empress, contend. |
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16th December 2017, 02:47 AM | #3453 |
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I'm a little unsure of what you're trying to say.
But, yes, let's assume that the premises (and even conclusions) of that article are correct, and that there are no huge leaps of logic or conclusions which don't follow from their premises or arguments - let's say for the sake of argument that there was absolutely no collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. All that means is that the investigation into that subject will exculpate everybody involved, right? So we should leave the investigation be to come to its conclusions. |
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16th December 2017, 07:41 AM | #3456 |
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Trump should fire Mueller as quickly as possible. There is no crime to investigate, so there is no need for an investigator. Oh, and he should fire Rosenstein for initiating the witch hunt based only on a fake news barrage from the WaPo propaganda rag.
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16th December 2017, 10:26 PM | #3467 |
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1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it. |
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17th December 2017, 12:37 AM | #3468 |
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CDC is military, right? Email them and ask them to protect national security. https://wwwn.cdc.gov/dcs/ContactUs/Form
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17th December 2017, 04:43 AM | #3469 |
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Have you guys and Gals seen this yet?
http://Check out this post in the Tr...b-e48ee28a1a17 Wonder if more dirt is going to come out on other Republicans? |
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Fixed your link. Here's the ultimate destination, though: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/speci...081209044.html |
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And, yes, that story is under discussion in the Mueller thread.
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Ty Cobb said on the record that "Mueller will not be fired".
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