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17th December 2017, 08:34 AM | #3481 |
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17th December 2017, 08:43 AM | #3482 |
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CDC isn't military. You might be thinking of the US Public Health Service Commissioned Corps.
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17th December 2017, 08:51 AM | #3483 |
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17th December 2017, 08:54 AM | #3484 |
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Pretty sure it is technically military, going back to this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidem...igence_Service
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17th December 2017, 08:55 AM | #3485 |
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17th December 2017, 09:01 AM | #3486 |
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It's on the record, so it's better than an anonymous source.
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17th December 2017, 09:51 AM | #3487 |
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17th December 2017, 10:13 AM | #3488 |
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I haven't compared this to the list being maintained on this forum, but here is Seth Abramson's collection of reasons why we need Mueller's investigation to find out what the hell is going on. Unsurprisingly, Trump's claim that it's been proved that there was no collusion is 180 degrees away from the truth; there certainly was collusion. The question now is how much of it, if any, rises to the level of criminal conspiracy. All the lying implies that even TrumpCo must think that a lot of it does.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...823215616.html
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17th December 2017, 10:15 AM | #3489 |
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Thanks for explaining it. I always thought since it went back to this sort of objective:
https://www.cdc.gov/about/history/ourstory.htm
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17th December 2017, 10:35 AM | #3490 |
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My hypothesis, FWIW:
Trump's adult advisors are saying, don't do it, it'll be a mistake. Those advisors are out there, like Rosenstein saying no one is going to fire Mueller. They either know that position is tentative, or, they still believe Trump will actually act Presidential, this time, surely he will. Trump OTOH, is watching Hannity, Judge Janine and whomever else on Fox is pitching the CT that Mueller is a political attack dog. They have been harping on the one investigator's emails, how atrocious, yadda yadda, not mentioning the guy was taken off the case last summer as soon as the emails came to light. In addition they are repeating over and over, "no collusion time to end the investigation". Add to that they are repeating that the transition team's emails were privileged and obtained illegally (Gawd the irony there ). Some people in Trumplandistan, like Sekulow, are echoing back to Trump the above sentiments. Trump believes, he said so yesterday, that "everyone" believes what Trump hears on Fox News. |
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There does seem to be a feedback loop with Trump and Fox news. He says something, they jump on it and amplify it, he hears it back, buys it, and then goes with it more, they hear about it and amplify it, etc.
MSNBC recently examined some of the things Fox have been saying:
Bear in mind that Steve Schmidt, the guy who goes on the rant at the end, is a Republican analyst who worked on campaigns for George W. Bush, John McCain and Arnold Schwarzenegger. So he's far from some pinko lefty. But, yeah, what can you do when the president of the most powerful country in the world believes everything said on a news channel that's prepared to say the FBI is as corrupt as the Kremlin and to accuse Mueller of committing crimes worse than Watergate? |
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17th December 2017, 10:52 AM | #3494 |
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17th December 2017, 10:55 AM | #3495 |
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17th December 2017, 11:05 AM | #3496 |
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The USPHS Commissioned Corps is a uniformed service branch organized under the Surgeon General. NOAA also has a Commissioned Corps.
ETA: yes, the Department of Commerce has a military wing. They are capable of quick response to natural disasters or various remote extraction types of missions, and would serve a similar medical/humanitarian role (and protections) as described below. This is where the tapatalk signature that annoys people used to be |
17th December 2017, 11:07 AM | #3497 |
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The US does have a Public Health Service Commissioned Corps that is considered to be a military service under the Geneva Convention. The purpose is so that there is a pool of public health workers who can work with the military in combat zones without the possibility that if they are captured by the enemy they can be classified as spies and executed.
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17th December 2017, 11:47 AM | #3498 |
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17th December 2017, 12:19 PM | #3499 |
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17th December 2017, 01:25 PM | #3500 |
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17th December 2017, 02:24 PM | #3501 |
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Right.
I'm just saying, if they could exercise a tad more independent, creative, critically-thinking, ethical leadership at this dark hour (and a demented executive branch under god knows how much Kremlin control is indeed a dark prospect) I wouldn't start screaming about democracy and the death of a clearly dysfunctional state of checks and balances. The pentagon proper has already signaled that they don't take the "commander in chief" stuff seriously. Remember this? https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...a-armada-gaffe |
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17th December 2017, 03:49 PM | #3502 |
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17th December 2017, 04:09 PM | #3503 |
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17th December 2017, 06:13 PM | #3504 |
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This is the level of sophistication we're dealing with: https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/942492895692673024
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17th December 2017, 06:31 PM | #3505 |
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I don't know. The way it is written still exhibits a command of language that is far above anything we have seen or heard from Trump in the last couple of years. For example, I wouldn't expect him to use the word "incarcerated" without coaching. "Locked up"? Sure. "Thrown in jail"? Yeah. Not "incarcerated". |
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18th December 2017, 11:36 AM | #3508 |
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Confirmation that Trump was specifically warned by the FBI when he became the Republican nominee that it was likely Russian agents would try to infiltrate his campaign
Nothing amazingly revelatory in that article, but it is another little piece of the puzzle. Seth Abramson made a thread five months ago about why this is significant. Tweet #4 is the one that at the time of authoring that thread was Abramson making an informed supposition, but which has now been confirmed by official sources. |
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18th December 2017, 11:46 AM | #3509 |
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18th December 2017, 12:19 PM | #3510 |
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19th December 2017, 12:25 PM | #3511 |
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Well, as logger is away, I take it upon me to post the latest from the conservative treehouse. So far I found that the site has quite good research (didn't know it before logger linked to it).
That's a summary of what is emerging, headed by the full letter from the Trump transition team to congress. It makes no sense to quote it in part, as it need some space to develop. Sources at the bottom of the article. Summarizing, that "small group" which is mostly identified and already scrutinized by congress investigation seems to have
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19th December 2017, 12:41 PM | #3512 |
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Yup, that's a site that's completely unbiased. That's why it uses the word "illegal" in the headline, despite that not being a claim made in the letter they're commenting on. By the third paragraph they've softened it to "possibly illegal" - demonstrating that they know the headline is a lie. Of course, "possibly illegal" is a lie, too, but it's a lesser lie and more people read headlines than read articles.
No agenda there, at all... |
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Of great use to a development of accurate understanding of reality for you would be to drop the naive notion that there are "unbiased" journalistic sources. What's important is transparency, and that's why a source called "conservative treehouse" or "world socialist web site" is preferable in principle (if their research is solid) to one that pretends to be fair and balanced, first and foremost the "papers of record" which are anything but that. |
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Oh, and Squeegee, the "illegal" claim is in the first sentence of the first point in the letter. They just call it "unlawful". Maybe I should accuse you of disinformation now? Or did you just lie to yourself again?
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