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Old 20th August 2018, 07:05 AM   #281
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And it's not just liberals who think that;there is a growing conservative opposition to Trump.
Evidence? People have been saying that for years, it has never been reflected in the polls.
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Old 20th August 2018, 07:06 AM   #282
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
Fascinating.

What if they believe gay people should be murdered?

Or marriage to 9 year old girls is acceptable?

and women can't attend any schools?
They vote republican?
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
Advocating for the murder of gay people and rape of 9 year old's are criminal acts. You're not really this dense are you?
Nonsense they are protected political statements, see Twitters arguments. Wanting to exterminate gay people is mainline conservatism and not a criminal statement.
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Old 20th August 2018, 07:19 AM   #284
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
Advocating for the murder of gay people and rape of 9 year old's are criminal acts. You're not really this dense are you?

What if someone acted upon these "views" before entering the U.S., are you and Travis letting them live at your house?


"Hey man, I know you hung a few faggots and raped some little girls back home, you won't do that here though right?"
If they are advocating breaking the law, that is one thing. Advocating to make it legal to do those things first is another.
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Old 20th August 2018, 11:30 AM   #285
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Oh I will see you that and raise you a War on Christmas. Christians in the US are offended by the very idea of other religions existing.

The Right in the US have been being offended by many things for nearly as long as they've existed. Offended at women and minorities getting equal rights, offended at the existence of atheists and non-Christians, offended at the existence of LGBTQs, offended at "explicit" music lyrics, offended at "jungle music" (the definition of which has varied from Ragtime, to Jazz, to Rock, to Rap), offended at counterculture lifestyles, offended at people saying "happy holidays" instead of "merry Christmas", offended at the existence of non-conservatives... and so on and so on and so on.

The Right invented offense as a political statement, the Right invented "identity politics" (eg. "Separate but Equal"), and now they're upset that someone else appears to have learned to play their game.
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Old 20th August 2018, 11:40 AM   #286
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And it's not just liberals who think that;there is a growing conservative opposition to Trump. There argument is that whatever gains might be made (Tax cuts, supreme court justices) are going to be greatly outweighed by the damage that Trump's other policies his deliberate use of bigotry as a political weapon to divide America and his obvious Authoratarian longings will do to the country.
That the problem;many conseravties just refuse to see the damage that Trump is doing to the USA because they are distracted by the bright shiny toys Trump throws their way.
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Evidence? People have been saying that for years, it has never been reflected in the polls.
AS far as I can tell the conservative opposition to Trump has been shrinking. He was polling at 80% approval among conservatives, now he's at about 90%. The opposition is there but its pretty damn small.
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An illustration of how well-managed diversity works - at the business level:

My employer has employee resource groups. These are organizations with voluntary membership that represent a group of employee types. There is one for women, one for Latinos, one for blacks, one for LGTB, one for Asians, one for Military veterans and reservists/National Guard. There are other, smaller ones. Obviously, you can belong to more than one group.

Originally, these were support and professional development groups. All fine.

Now, my employer has begun leveraging these groups for recruiting and for interfacing with customers from different communities. Plus these groups perform volunteer activities in the community. Even better.

Because the more your business understands and can sell to, buy from or recruit from diverse communities, the more it will sell, the better employees it will get, and the better profit margins it will obtain.

How does this work with nations? The more diverse your nation is, the more diverse it's companies can be, and the more competitive they become.

The basis? Respect among the different groups. My employer's resource groups cooperate and respect each other, they don't compete.
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Originally Posted by ahhell View Post
AS far as I can tell the conservative opposition to Trump has been shrinking. He was polling at 80% approval among conservatives, now he's at about 90%. The opposition is there but its pretty damn small.
But is that the same group identifying as conservatives? I know a fair number of people who refuse the label now, because of its connection to Trump and his crew. They previously identified themselves as conservatives.
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Old 21st August 2018, 08:07 PM   #289
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Nonsense they are protected political statements, see Twitters arguments. Wanting to exterminate gay people is mainline conservatism and not a criminal statement.
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If they are advocating breaking the law, that is one thing. Advocating to make it legal to do those things first is another.
Well how about the two of you make yourself some signs that state "all homosexuals need to be killed" or "it's okay to marry and rape little children" and go marching around town. Let me know how that works out for you.

Oh and citation for the bolded please.
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Old 21st August 2018, 10:15 PM   #290
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
Well how about the two of you make yourself some signs that state "all homosexuals need to be killed" or "it's okay to marry and rape little children" and go marching around town. Let me know how that works out for you.

Oh and citation for the bolded please.
I live in Arizona. If I did that in Colorado City, they would make me a respected figure.
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
Well how about the two of you make yourself some signs that state "all homosexuals need to be killed" or "it's okay to marry and rape little children" and go marching around town. Let me know how that works out for you.

Oh and citation for the bolded please.
I interpreted that to be a reference to Twitter's lame excuses for being flexible with their use policy.

Ordinary person inciting violence - banworthy. Radio show host calling for extermination of categories, apparently just part of the dialogue.
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Old 22nd August 2018, 11:57 AM   #292
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But is that the same group identifying as conservatives? I know a fair number of people who refuse the label now, because of its connection to Trump and his crew. They previously identified themselves as conservatives.
I think its actually Republicans rather than conservatives, so you have a point.

There's also a group that approves of much of his governing but not so much his rhetoric. He appoints judges they like, he's the only GOP president that actually seems interested in reducing the size of the federal bureacracy, and regardless of his kowtowing to Putin he has been as or even more aggressive in support of Eastern European nations than previous administrations. Stationing troops in Poland and selling arms to Ukraine. Also the incarcerating of children at the boarder was generally disliked, even by his supporters.
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Old 22nd August 2018, 12:02 PM   #293
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
Well how about the two of you make yourself some signs that state "all homosexuals need to be killed" or "it's okay to marry and rape little children" and go marching around town. Let me know how that works out for you.

Oh and citation for the bolded please.
Look at who Pence hangs out with for the one, and the how hard it was to get the marriage age raised in florida for the other.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/a...the-age-of-17/
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Old 22nd August 2018, 12:05 PM   #294
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I think its actually Republicans rather than conservatives, so you have a point.

There's also a group that approves of much of his governing but not so much his rhetoric. He appoints judges they like, he's the only GOP president that actually seems interested in reducing the size of the federal bureacracy, and regardless of his kowtowing to Putin he has been as or even more aggressive in support of Eastern European nations than previous administrations. Stationing troops in Poland and selling arms to Ukraine. Also the incarcerating of children at the boarder was generally disliked, even by his supporters.
No, a majority of republicans were fine with the kids concentration camps.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...aration-policy

So kids concentration camps fits well with american conservatives.
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Old 22nd August 2018, 12:25 PM   #295
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No, a majority of republicans were fine with the kids concentration camps.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...aration-policy

So kids concentration camps fits well with american conservatives.
I sit corrected. I'd argue that ideologically, it does not but tribally it does.

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It's definitely a strange country when you can be punished for something your father said 30 years ago, before you were born.

https://www.theindychannel.com/sport...r-30-years-ago
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It's definitely a strange country when you can be punished for something your father said 30 years ago, before you were born.

https://www.theindychannel.com/sport...r-30-years-ago
Visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.

Who said the radical left is anti-religion?
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
It's definitely a strange country when you can be punished for something your father said 30 years ago, before you were born.

https://www.theindychannel.com/sport...r-30-years-ago
That's not punishment. The organization just doesn't want to be associated with the incident, they aren't doing it to punish anyone although Daly the younger may lose a sponsorship.
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Some white countries are great places to live. Others struggle economically and/or have oppressive governments. You think looking at one while pretending the others don't count proves your point? It doesn't.
But it is only the White countries that people want to flock to. Or, perhaps more accurately, it's only the White countries that people want to flock to and that will welcome them.
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Visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.

Who said the radical left is anti-religion?
How is it that the company Lilly Diabetes represents the radical left?
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But it is only the White countries that people want to flock to. Or, perhaps more accurately, it's only the White countries that people want to flock to and that will welcome them.
Therefore...?
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How is it that the company Lilly Diabetes represents the radical left?
I'm not suggesting they do. I'm suggesting that's who they bowed down to. You think they were afraid of pressure from centrists or conservatives?
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After yet another mass shooting in the U.S., I'm not sure that piece of crap country is redeemable. Here's to the as soon as possible demise of the USA.
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I'm not suggesting they do. I'm suggesting that's who they bowed down to. You think they were afraid of pressure from centrists or conservatives?
I think they made a (bad) decision based on their own (incorrect) perceptions of what public reactions would be and were not bowing down to anybody.

For them to have been bowing down to the radical left, there would have to be something that could be described as radical left pressuring them to bow down.
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Originally Posted by ProBonoShill View Post
Fascinating.

What if they believe gay people should be murdered?

Or marriage to 9 year old girls is acceptable?

and women can't attend any schools?

How about having multiple wives?

I guess by the rationale you posted that'd be perfectly fine? Correct?

I don't think people should be kept out because of things they believe. Plenty of people already in America have those viewpoints and they have the right to them.
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This thread would be good to show to new members who the resident racists are.
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I think they made a (bad) decision based on their own (incorrect) perceptions of what public reactions would be and were not bowing down to anybody.

For them to have been bowing down to the radical left, there would have to be something that could be described as radical left pressuring them to bow down.
This.
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It's definitely a strange country when you can be punished for something your father said 30 years ago, before you were born.

https://www.theindychannel.com/sport...r-30-years-ago
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Conor Daly, 26, wasn’t born when his father made the comment.
That's the poster child for PC run amok.
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This thread would be good to show to new members who the resident racists are.
True. For some reason, every time progressives hear the word "monkey" they immediately associate it with black people, and have for some time. This is very sick behavior.
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That's not punishment. The organization just doesn't want to be associated with the incident, they aren't doing it to punish anyone although Daly the younger may lose a sponsorship.
IMO they could have stood up to PC run amok and resolved the negative impact of the publicity from the kerfuffle.
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I think they made a (bad) decision based on their own (incorrect) perceptions of what public reactions would be and were not bowing down to anybody.
Definitely.

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For them to have been bowing down to the radical left, there would have to be something that could be described as radical left pressuring them to bow down.
Yep.
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