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Old 19th July 2019, 11:04 PM   #321
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
That position was untenable and I have abandoned it.
That’s good to know. How was this announced?
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Old 20th July 2019, 01:04 AM   #322
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
That’s good to know. How was this announced?
I certainly wasn't aware that was the case.
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Old 20th July 2019, 01:49 AM   #323
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
My position is that when it comes to exercising the right to free speech, there is no principled distinction between the two.
There may be no "principled distinction" between the two (although I hold there is) but there are as others have provided clear examples to demonstrate actual emperical distinctions, and the legal systems of countries ike the USA and the UK have legislated for these emperical differences.
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Old 20th July 2019, 02:14 AM   #324
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Citizens should not need to justify themselves to the government, in order to exercise their rights. Quite the opposite: The government needs to justify themselves to their citizens, in order to infringe on a right. What you're talking about is privilege. I think it's a mistake to think of human rights as if they were government privileges.
And TR didn't have the right to do what he did. That's why he's going to jail.

So if you want to argue that he SHOULD have the right to do it then I think you should attempt to show that changing the rules should have some value or benefit.

He was harassing the defendants and encouraging others to do the same. He was rabble rousing. If you class that as something that should be allowed as a right to free speech then your definition of a right to free speech has little merit.
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Old 20th July 2019, 02:52 AM   #325
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Prohibiting jokes about bombs in airports is entirely consistent with the principle that the government should have to justify itself, when infringing on a right.
As courts have to when they put temporary reporting restrictions in place.
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Old 20th July 2019, 04:27 AM   #326
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
As courts have to when they put temporary reporting restrictions in place.
I would quite happily have a no reporting rule on any ongoing trial. There is no need for it as far as I can see.

Report on the outcome once a verdict has been rendered.
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Old 20th July 2019, 04:37 AM   #327
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Any pub in any town. It's pretty much across the board in my experience.
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...20190719187587
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The Bellend of Belmarsh tried to intimidate a pensioner on Day One and got decked. Karma

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...ison-edl-fight
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Doesn't pass the sniff test.
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
That’s good to know. How was this announced?
How did you misunderstand that previous post of mine so badly?
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Old Yesterday, 06:08 AM   #331
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I certainly wasn't aware that was the case.
My bad. Next time, I'll be sure to send you a Save the Date and a link to the gift registry, so you don't miss it.
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Doesn't pass the sniff test.

His supporters say it's "completely fake news":

Originally Posted by tr.news
The mainstream media, including, The Daily Star and The Mirror are reporting that Tommy Robinson has been ‘punched to the ground by another inmate in the showers’.

For his own protection, Tommy Robinson has been in complete isolation since arriving at Belmarsh prison. Robinson has not seen another prisoner, let alone been showering with other inmates.

This story is completely fake news.

The media have been informed that there is no truth to the story, but refuse to take it offline. [...]
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Not covered as far as I can see in the Guardian or Times. Mind you I'm not sure they would cover it. The Star will print any old crap, the Mirror is usually not too bad but I think they'd see this as appealing too much to their readership not to print it.
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My bad. Next time, I'll be sure to send you a Save the Date and a link to the gift registry, so you don't miss it.
...... touchy.......
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
The Bellend of Belmarsh tried to intimidate a pensioner on Day One and got decked. Karma

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...ison-edl-fight
If I was going to write a prison fight scene I would reject this version as far too clichéd.

You've been had.
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