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Old 3rd July 2019, 06:34 PM   #481
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
Won’t the presidential dais have cold air blowing up on the president? Or am I being overly critical when I imagine the president’s demands for comfortability.
There's a joke about hot air right there... Anyone want to field it?
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Old 3rd July 2019, 07:02 PM   #482
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There's a joke about hot air right there... Anyone want to field it?
It immediately came to mind but I thought better of it upon reading your comment. Damn...missed it by minutes...
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Old 3rd July 2019, 07:20 PM   #483
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
I just checked the weather forecast for DC tomorrow, and it said 92° F with a heat index of 100° F. Given Trump's general health, his tendency to ramble endlessly, and his love of hearing himself talk, maybe he'll pass out from the heat during his speech.
William Henry Harrison died only a few weeks after taking office after giving a long speech in inclement weather. Just sayin'....
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I'm enjoying hearing the pundits try to say "politicization" when referring to the parade preparations.
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Trump justice dept has become a joke. Court orders a response to Trump tweet that he will simply order the citizenship question to go on the census.
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Old 3rd July 2019, 08:15 PM   #486
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
WTF? What the hell does Trump think HE did?
Who's Donnie's bagman now that "The Fixer" is out. Donnie may have put up the money for the suspiciously immune medic who "confessed".

Seriously... Trump directly intervened to get him into less restrictive holding conditions during his court martial. (Like his idol, Nixon, who had ordered Calley released to house arrest.)
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Old 3rd July 2019, 08:54 PM   #487
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I would hope that nobody shows up and the TV cameras broadcast that fact all in HD.
Free fireworks and guns?

Unfortunately, I'd say there's no chance of that happening.

I'll also have $1 on it making the network TV news in faraway New Zealand, as either lead or second item.

Nothing like a free show to get the proles excited.

Is there a Two-Minute Hate?
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Old 3rd July 2019, 09:03 PM   #488
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Free fireworks and guns?

Unfortunately, I'd say there's no chance of that happening.

I'll also have $1 on it making the network TV news in faraway New Zealand, as either lead or second item.

Nothing like a free show to get the proles excited.

Is there a Two-Minute Hate?
There will be a gathering of Trumpites, sufficient to make some noise. And Donny will be utterly unable to help himself. It will become a campaign rally speech for him. And the world will be treated to another rambling and incoherent blathering from the orange oaf.

Nobody will notice the "military parade" is a static museum piece. Or that the flyover will be just like living next to Ronald Reagan airport every day. Or that the fireworks will be all donated (what, Donny pay??), and will be no more spectacular than what we get in Sydney every New Years.
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Old 3rd July 2019, 09:33 PM   #489
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The type of 'relationship' that they are accused of is not strictly a 'homosexual' one (with both individuals on relatively equal footing), but one of master/slave. Trump is obviously subservient to Putin.
That's the way I pictured it, a politically satirical image of Trump sucking a babies dummy while being rear ended by Putin in a closet.

I'm not sure if Putin is good or bad for the world, it's definitely bad for Russian democracy. As long as he doesn't go nuts and start invading places, oh wait...
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The Putin/Trump relationship is much more along the lines of D/s - gender doesn't really enter into it.
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Sure it was. And what's wrong with that, anyway? Everyone would be lucky to enjoy their work. Or do you just disapprove of sex work? Seems more like honest work than inheriting capital and getting into real estate. If you could prove Trump turned tricks for money he'd go up in my estimation.
Well, it would probably be the only business endeavor Trump has been involved in that DIDN'T lose money.
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Old 3rd July 2019, 10:04 PM   #492
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I'm curious about this fireworks "donation" (proper term is actually "contribution") thing.

First off, if its really just 2 individuals either they are grossly undervaluing the cost of the goods or grossly exceeding their contribution limits. Ok, a third possibility is this will be the most anemic 4th of July display ever. Midwest cow-town displays run $2,500-7,500 for about a 5-minute show at a local park or fairground, assumed to be viewed from all around, so no huge effort to make a visual spectacle. Individual contribution limits are $2,800. Even assuming these two individuals are using both primary and general contribution limits, that's a combined $11,200.

The big impressive displays take months of planning, selecting shells, firing orders, fuse timings, and more to achieve a particular visual arrangement from the expected viewing area. Then add coordinating the display to music. There is no rehearsal for a fireworks show, so these pyrotech masters don't come cheap.

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Old 3rd July 2019, 10:25 PM   #493
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I'm curious about this fireworks "donation" (proper term is actually "contribution") thing.

First off, if its really just 2 individuals either they are grossly undervaluing the cost of the goods or grossly exceeding their contribution limits. Ok, a third possibility is this will be the most anemic 4th of July display ever. Midwest cow-town displays run $2,500-7,500 for about a 5-minute show at a local park or fairground, assumed to be viewed from all around, so no huge effort to make a visual spectacle. Individual contribution limits are $2,800. Even assuming these two individuals are using both primary and general contribution limits, that's a combined $11,200.

The big impressive displays take months of planning, selecting shells, firing orders, fuse timings, and more to achieve a particular visual arrangement from the expected viewing area. Then add coordinating the display to music. There is no rehearsal for a fireworks show, so these pyrotech masters don't come cheap.
That was what I was wondering. The large, professional fireworks displays manufacture their own fireworks based on the planned display. No pro would work with or trust “donated” fireworks.
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Old 3rd July 2019, 10:36 PM   #494
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The cost of our great Salute to America tomorrow will be very little compared to what it is worth. We own the planes, we have the pilots, the airport is right next door (Andrews), all we need is the fuel. We own the tanks and all. Fireworks are donated by two of the greats. Nice!
It sounds like insiders are telling him that people are grumbling about the cost so he can head off criticism with a tweet.
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It sounds like insiders are telling him that people are grumbling about the cost so he can head off criticism with a tweet.
Let's grumble about how the best fireworks are so safe they can be launched from between the teeth, and that's what Obama did when he was president! While sitting in a wading pool full of kerosene.
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That was what I was wondering. The large, professional fireworks displays manufacture their own fireworks based on the planned display. No pro would work with or trust “donated” fireworks.
I guess we can look forward to a few sparklers for the crowd to wave around as Kelly-Ann lights the blue touch papers on some roman candles and catherine wheels. Woo!
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Old 3rd July 2019, 11:00 PM   #497
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......and will be no more spectacular than what we get in Sydney every New Years.
but.... but.... but... we BLOW UP the Sydney Harbour Bridge every year and rebuild it to stimulate jobs. Are you suggesting the Yanks aren't going to blow up any of their Washington monuments at all? What's wrong with them!!!??!!!
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It sounds like insiders are telling him that people are grumbling about the cost so he can head off criticism with a tweet.
His downplaying it is part of what made me start wondering what is wrong with it.
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Old 3rd July 2019, 11:32 PM   #499
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The cost of our great Salute to America tomorrow will be very little compared to what it is worth. We own the planes, we have the pilots, the airport is right next door (Andrews), all we need is the fuel. We own the tanks and all. Fireworks are donated by two of the greats. Nice!
As if Americans were really saying, “hang on, buying airplanes for a Fourth of July celebration sounds expensive.”
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
I'm curious about this fireworks "donation" (proper term is actually "contribution") thing.

First off, if its really just 2 individuals either they are grossly undervaluing the cost of the goods or grossly exceeding their contribution limits. Ok, a third possibility is this will be the most anemic 4th of July display ever. Midwest cow-town displays run $2,500-7,500 for about a 5-minute show at a local park or fairground, assumed to be viewed from all around, so no huge effort to make a visual spectacle. Individual contribution limits are $2,800. Even assuming these two individuals are using both primary and general contribution limits, that's a combined $11,200.

The big impressive displays take months of planning, selecting shells, firing orders, fuse timings, and more to achieve a particular visual arrangement from the expected viewing area. Then add coordinating the display to music. There is no rehearsal for a fireworks show, so these pyrotech masters don't come cheap.
The contribution was announced as $750,000. That's not chump change. One of the contributors may be just giving powder and charges, or smaller stuff for side events, 'cuz I think they're not in the others' league. The other donator is Grucci, who are rather good at what they do, handling most of the best displays Americans have ever seen.... New York City, various celebrations. They're the only Americans who give the Chinese a run for their money in fireworks competitions.

ETA: And they are corporations donating to the country's birthday party, not to a political campaign. Or at least that's the way it's being excused.
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Trump justice dept has become a joke. Court orders a response to Trump tweet that he will simply order the citizenship question to go on the census.
To expand on this: Supreme Court handed down an order saying the citizenship question couldn't go on the census. The Justice Department confirmed the census forms would be printed without the questions, as did Sec of Commerce Wilbur Ross.

Then yesterday morning, trump tweeted that those two confirmations were 'FAKE NEWS!!!!11' and that he had instructed both to find a way to ensure the citizenship question would go on the form anyway. This prompted a return to the courts, where at first one attorney for the trump administration denied this was the case, only for another one to admit that that was indeed what was happening.

So now they've been given until friday to determine if trump is going to push for the citizenship question, or if they'll enter into a written agreement not to do so. If they choose the former, Judge Hazel has indicated that he is minded to reconsider adding previous mooted conspiracy and discrimination allegations against the trump administration over this.
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Simple solution:

Trump can have the Citizenship Question if he signs them as an Executive order ...

... on every single questionnaire.

If he is willing to write-in the question on all census forms personally, he has my blessing to have them included.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
I'm curious about this fireworks "donation" (proper term is actually "contribution") thing.

First off, if its really just 2 individuals either they are grossly undervaluing the cost of the goods or grossly exceeding their contribution limits. Ok, a third possibility is this will be the most anemic 4th of July display ever. Midwest cow-town displays run $2,500-7,500 for about a 5-minute show at a local park or fairground, assumed to be viewed from all around, so no huge effort to make a visual spectacle. Individual contribution limits are $2,800. Even assuming these two individuals are using both primary and general contribution limits, that's a combined $11,200.

The big impressive displays take months of planning, selecting shells, firing orders, fuse timings, and more to achieve a particular visual arrangement from the expected viewing area. Then add coordinating the display to music. There is no rehearsal for a fireworks show, so these pyrotech masters don't come cheap.
So it will cost more that Trump says it will. He's lying. What did you expect?

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So, add "operating costs" to the things Trump doesn't understand.
Incidentally, one might wonder where those operating costs are coming from?

Wonder no more! Trump pilfers $2.5 million earmarked for national parks to cover costs of his July 4 party.

Also about the festivities... July 4th fireworks donor lobbied President Trump on tariffs and won a reprieve. $750,000 donation of fireworks, a meeting with the President, and bam, on the same day, tariffs, including those on fireworks, don't happen as planned.

Speaking of the 4th of July, though, the celebration in DC obviously isn't the only one. Kansas deserves some special attention, too, though. KS Republicans plan to celebrate the 4th of July weekend with a gay bashing good time in Dodge City.

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Kansas Republicans are turning out in force in Ford County, Kansas this weekend. Sound familiar? Dodge City, the county seat and largest community in Ford County was national news in 2018 when voter suppression efforts limited voting opportunities.

Well, Kansas Republicans are back for a gay bashing, women berating good time to be had by all in th streets of Dodge City, where they will host A Kansas Revival event. The organizers of the event say it isn’t about bashing anyone, or being against anyone. It’s just about pointing out that the LGBT lifestyle is morally wrong and that women who have abortions should go to jail, or you know, some level of draconian punishment that would discourage it.

In video posts on Kansas Revival’s sight for their only slightly altered Straight Pride campaign, ministers lay out their non-bashing opinion, not that they are bashing anyone, just that, well, you know, LGBT people are the downfall of society. Absolutely not bashing them, though, you know. Just a straight pride, anti-choice parade for the weekend, that’s all.
Oh, in other news... Georgia imposes new form of literacy test to keep Puerto Ricans from getting GA driver licenses. Republicans seem to hate Puerto Rico... or, in other words, it's not just Trump.

Moving on... border time! Nurses Say Border Patrol Is Delaying Treatment To Sick Immigrant Kids, With Dire Consequences. Is there really any need to say more about how utterly despicable those who have brought and encouraged things to this point are?

In good related news... Federal judge bars Barr from denying due process to asylum seekers. It wouldn't remotely be surprising for an appeal to be brought to bear shortly, though.

In random potentially great news - HIV eliminated from the genomes of living animals.

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Researchers have for the first time eliminated replication-competent HIV-1 DNA -- the virus responsible for AIDS -- from the genomes of living animals. The study marks a critical step toward the development of a possible cure for human HIV infection.
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Today’s Stock Market is the highest in the history of our great Country! This is the 104th time since the Election of 2016 that we have reached a NEW HIGH. Congratulations USA!
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So important for our Country that the very simple and basic “Are you a Citizen of the United States?” question be allowed to be asked in the 2020 Census. Department of Commerce and the Department of Justice are working very hard on this, even on the 4th of July!

HAPPY 4TH OF JULY!

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People are coming from far and wide to join us today and tonight for what is turning out to be one of the biggest celebrations in the history of our Country, SALUTE TO AMERICA, an all day event at the Lincoln Memorial, culminating with large scale flyovers of the most modern.....

....and advanced aircraft anywhere in the World. Perhaps even Aircraft One will do a low & loud sprint over the crowd. That will start at 6:00P.M., but be there early. Then, at 9:00 P.M., a great (to put it mildly) fireworks display. I will speak on behalf of our great Country!
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but but clintonemailz, I suppose :/ .

Eta: oh god, Aircraft One. I suppose he'll want his own personal Abrams, too. Panzer One.
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Aircraft One?
Maybe he's referring to both his helicopter and his plane being in the fly over. Of course neither is called Marine One or Air Force one unless the president is on board.
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So important for our Country that the very simple and basic “Are you a Citizen of the United States?” question be allowed to be asked in the 2020 Census. Department of Commerce and the Department of Justice are working very hard on this, even on the 4th of July!

HAPPY 4TH OF JULY!
Other than saying it is important, has he ever articulated actual thoughts about the function of enumeration of non citizens?
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Well, it would probably be the only business endeavor Trump has been involved in that DIDN'T lose money.

Assumes fact not in evidence. I could see him spending too much on chauffeur driven limos to the worksite, and god knows the gold-plated gimp suit isn't going to be cheap. Plus, you just know there's zero chance of repeat business, which is where the real money is.
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I have a semi decent argument for the tanks and aircraft at the event.

Thanks and aircraft are cool. It is probably going to make a couple kids' days to see them up close.

I'm not saying that outweighs the cost, but it seems the benefits were not getting mentioned.
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I have a semi decent argument for the tanks and aircraft at the event.

Thanks and aircraft are cool. It is probably going to make a couple kids' days to see them up close.

I'm not saying that outweighs the cost, but it seems the benefits were not getting mentioned.
They should have strippers instead - cheaper than tanks and aircraft and likely will make more people's day to see them
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They should have strippers instead - cheaper than tanks and aircraft and likely will make more people's day to see them
I don't understand this post. Why should they even have tanks?
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They should have strippers instead - cheaper than tanks and aircraft and likely will make more people's day to see them
Nothing more American than a Stripper!
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I am shocked. Absolutely shocked. Well ... not really shocked. I predicted they would do something to spare Trump's delicate feelings.

I found this in an article posted in another thread.

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The National Park Service has issued a permit to feminist group Code Pink to stage a demonstration in the vicinity of the event.
They plan to display an inflatable balloon depicting Mr Trump as a baby to protest against the "militarisation" of the US holiday.
But organisers were denied permission to use helium for the balloon to make it airborne.

EDIT: It looks like the decision was announced a couple days ago. This is the first I heard about it.

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