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Old 11th July 2019, 06:31 AM   #41
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I made a post about this on Facebook the other day expressing my shock that people can be bothered to give a flying **** about a mermaid's color.

One section of my rant went something like, "Do you know what color mermaids actually are? They're '**** you they aren't real' color."

I stand by that. They can be any damn color they want as they don't exist.
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I've read a good half dozen complaints ranging from off hand comments to full on paragraph long rants that the creatures in Game of Thrones are referred to as dragons when they are clearly Wyrm (or Drakes or something other variation on same) as if there is some sort of official classifications for fictional creatures.

Jesus Christ people it's not like they called them Scottish Terriers.
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I'm surprised there's not more controversy over the remake being a horror story because Ariel has to continually murder people to steal their legs and lungs, exchanging for fresh ones when they start to rot.
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
She isn't Caucasian, but Western European.

I see pandering and I don't like it. Sure the naysayers can make this about how grown men are making too big a deal of an early 90s cartoon, but at its root it's the tokenism that bothers me.

There was a black princess introduced in 2008 or so, and they could just as easily introduce a story of a black mermaid, perhaps from another ocean.
How can a merwoman be european?

Shouldn't she be fish coloured?
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Originally Posted by Cheetah View Post
Just another example of a US made movie playing it loose with the historical facts.
Why are people surprised? Happens all time after time. Look at 'Robert the Bruce'.
Historical facts?

Did I miss the sarcasm?
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The character in the original book is explicitly described as...well, white I guess.

"The little mermaid leaned her white arms on the edge of the vessel"
"...holding out her white hands toward...

etc.

However, I'm not familiar with the overall text, so I wouldn't be stunned to find out that Disney had already changed any number of aspects of the story that actually make a substantive difference. Early stories like this are usually much darker and layered than simple adaptations carry across.

Even though she was explicitly described as 'white', I'm not sure it actually makes a difference in terms of the narrative arc?
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
I'm surprised there's not more controversy over the remake being a horror story because Ariel has to continually murder people to steal their legs and lungs, exchanging for fresh ones when they start to rot.
Ariel is a Deep One?
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Old 11th July 2019, 06:58 AM   #49
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Originally Posted by Worm View Post
The character in the original book is explicitly described as...well, white I guess.

"The little mermaid leaned her white arms on the edge of the vessel"
"...holding out her white hands toward...

etc.

However, I'm not familiar with the overall text, so I wouldn't be stunned to find out that Disney had already changed any number of aspects of the story that actually make a substantive difference. Early stories like this are usually much darker and layered than simple adaptations carry across.

Even though she was explicitly described as 'white', I'm not sure it actually makes a difference in terms of the narrative arc?
Two words: Sea foam.
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
Ariel is a Deep One?
Her mom was one of the liver fluke monsters from that episode of X-Files.
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I've read a good half dozen complaints ranging from off hand comments to full on paragraph long rants that the creatures in Game of Thrones are referred to as dragons when they are clearly Wyrm (or Drakes or something other variation on same) as if there is some sort of official classifications for fictional creatures.

Jesus Christ people it's not like they called them Scottish Terriers.
Yeah because their wings are also their front legs. That's a D&D thing. It was never an official dracology classification.
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Old 11th July 2019, 07:06 AM   #52
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Yeah because their wings are also their front legs. That's a D&D thing. It was never an official dracology classification.
No, that's nerds with far too much time on their hands.

D&D dragons came in numerous shapes, including no wings and multiple heads. And even if it had clear classifications it's a ******* game, you idiots! I like it too, but get OUT of the basement now and then. It's not real life.

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The character in the original book is explicitly described as...well, white I guess.
It was written in 1837 by a man in Denmark. Were there even POC in Denmark back then? /sarc
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They dropped the most important character in the Aladdin remake.
Which was?
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Ariel is a Deep One?
Well, if she lives on the abyssal plane, that pretty much puts the kibosh on her being European. Or from any other continent, in fact.

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No, that's nerds with far too much time on their hands.

D&D dragons came in numerous shapes, including no wings and multiple heads. And even if it had clear classifications it's a ******* game, you idiots! I like it too, but get OUT of the basement now and then. It's not real life.

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Well you can still discuss fictional rules. Just not cross-franchise.
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It was written in 1837 by a man in Denmark. Were there even POC in Denmark back then? /sarc
Black Peter was introduced 1850.
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Well you can still discuss fictional rules. Just not cross-franchise.
Except for GURPS...which does answer the question of whether or not a guided missile can take out a Dragon.

As an aside, I was impressed that the GURPS Horror source book actually included weapon stats for a Garden WeaselTM.
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Yeah because their wings are also their front legs. That's a D&D thing. It was never an official dracology classification.
Not at all DND dragons have seperate wings from front legs, like heraldry the creatuyres that combine the two are Wyverns not dragons, though they are called such in game of thrones and skyrim. DND always had dragons as dragons(though of course they had many varieties, but wings as front limbs was still wyvern).

This distinction goes back centuries in heraldry.
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Except for GURPS...which does answer the question of whether or not a guided missile can take out a Dragon.

As an aside, I was impressed that the GURPS Horror source book actually included weapon stats for a Garden WeaselTM.
ANd of course underwire bra.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Not at all DND dragons have seperate wings from front legs, like heraldry the creatuyres that combine the two are Wyverns not dragons, though they are called such in game of thrones and skyrim. DND always had dragons as dragons(though of course they had many varieties, but wings as front limbs was still wyvern).

This distinction goes back centuries in heraldry.
What is the term for a dragon whose front legs are each a dragon, whose wings are also dragons, and whose hind legs are human legs, and has a snake for a tail (and the snake's tongue is another dragon)? Because there was one of those on the subway and it was rudely manspreading and taking up two seats.
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What is the term for a dragon whose front legs are each a dragon, whose wings are also dragons, and whose hind legs are human legs, and has a snake for a tail (and the snake's tongue is another dragon)?
The correct term is Super-Trogdor, I think.
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This smacks of tokenism.
You have to start somewhere.
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Makes you wonder how many Merpeople have lost out on the role because non actual merpeople have been given them.
Good point. It's just like casting white people wearing blackface as black characters.
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Good point. It's just like casting white people wearing blackface as black characters.
Yeah laugh all you want. We're at the point where if some "Otherkin" made such a complaint people taking it seriously wouldn't surprise me.
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I’m offended that Disney keeps making live action remakes instead of developing good new material.
That seems to be a problem with the entire film industry. The money people seem to think a remake, sequel or knockoff of something that was successful is less risky than original material.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
This seems to match my impression

Never seen this site before though, so forgive me if I am agreeing with some weird far right thing

Edit: Help if I put link in

https://reason.com/2019/07/09/ariel-...-halle-bailey/
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The #NotMyAriel controversy is mostly fake news.
I agree, regardless if it is all over the internet arthwollipot, in this case a link does indeed matter.
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That seems to be a problem with the entire film industry. The money people seem to think a remake, sequel or knockoff of something that was successful is less risky than original material.
And they're right. Recent attempts to throw money at more original content haven't exactly shaken their beliefs. Seems like the average moviegoer prefers to buy into an existing and known franchise.
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Why are isn’t she silver like any other fish?
Have you never snorkeled on reefs?
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I've read a good half dozen complaints ranging from off hand comments to full on paragraph long rants that the creatures in Game of Thrones are referred to as dragons when they are clearly Wyrm (or Drakes or something other variation on same) as if there is some sort of official classifications for fictional creatures.

Jesus Christ people it's not like they called them Scottish Terriers.

Yeah, some people think that fictional creatures actually have taxonomy. I believe they count the wings and the legs. They need to get over it.
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Just another example of a US made movie playing it loose with the historical facts.
Why are people surprised? Happens all time after time. Look at 'Robert the Bruce'.
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Except for GURPS...which does answer the question of whether or not a guided missile can take out a Dragon.

As an aside, I was impressed that the GURPS Horror source book actually included weapon stats for a Garden WeaselTM.
Well???? Can it???

I assume it depends on both the dragon and the missile?
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Well???? Can it???

I assume it depends on both the dragon and the missile?
Pretty much, yeah
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She isn't Caucasian, but Western European.

But she falls in love with the prince, so it must have been a monarchy, i.e. she can't have been French or Irish.

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
How can a merwoman be european?

Never heard of territorial waters?

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The character in the original book is explicitly described as...well, white I guess.

"The little mermaid leaned her white arms on the edge of the vessel"
"...holding out her white hands toward...

etc.

However, I'm not familiar with the overall text, so I wouldn't be stunned to find out that Disney had already changed any number of aspects of the story that actually make a substantive difference. Early stories like this are usually much darker and layered than simple adaptations carry across.

Even though she was explicitly described as 'white', I'm not sure it actually makes a difference in terms of the narrative arc?

However, when exposed to sunlight, even the kind of sunlight we get in Scandinavia, she turned pretty black.
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Not at all DND dragons have seperate wings from front legs, like heraldry the creatuyres that combine the two are Wyverns not dragons, though they are called such in game of thrones and skyrim. DND always had dragons as dragons(though of course they had many varieties, but wings as front limbs was still wyvern).

This distinction goes back centuries in heraldry.
But the lack of distinction goes back even farther. Medieval European dragons were always depicted with two legs (when they weren't simply giant snakes) until around 1425. The word "wyvern," based on "wyver" or viper, began to be used for the older two-legged dragons only after four-legged dragons became common in artistic representations. "Wyvern" isn't attested until 1610. "Wyver," in heraldic context, is first attested in 1599.

"Wyrm," mentioned up-thread, is an Old English word that can mean worm, snake, or dragon, depending on context. The dragon in Beowulf is called both "wyrm" and "draca."
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But the lack of distinction goes back even farther. Medieval European dragons were always depicted with two legs (when they weren't simply giant snakes) until around 1425. The word "wyvern," based on "wyver" or viper, began to be used for the older two-legged dragons only after four-legged dragons became common in artistic representations. "Wyvern" isn't attested until 1610. "Wyver," in heraldic context, is first attested in 1599.

"Wyrm," mentioned up-thread, is an Old English word that can mean worm, snake, or dragon, depending on context. The dragon in Beowulf is called both "wyrm" and "draca."
Yea it is kind of like how people think a specific knife design is reflected by the work knife in a different language. Sax, tanto and so on are just words for knife in different languages.
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
But she falls in love with the prince, so it must have been a monarchy, i.e. she can't have been French or Irish.
It depends when the story is set.
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I don't care about Ariel's skin colour. I do however doubt Melissa McCarthy's ability to play a decent Ursula.
Then again, I'm not going to see the movie anyway. Make something new Disney.
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
The only question I have, "Is she hot?"
Despite the tendency to portray mermaids has having scales, clearly they are mammals. They have hair, but more importantly, they also have prominent mammary glands. Their tail fins are generally portrayed as being oriented horizontally, like dolphins and whales, and not vertically as fish are. So mermaids are really more of a human/cetacean hybrid than a human/fish hybrid.

This means they are warm blooded, so she may indeed be hot. But probably not as hot as harpies, which are human/bird hybrids, since birds maintain even higher internal body temperatures than mammals. Harpies be smokin'.
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