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Old 12th July 2019, 11:35 PM   #1
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12 day old baby saved by white US cop, while black

Good man

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-...h-cpr/11306450

Edit: Just watched it again

Should have added, that is fricken awesome and it actually made me slightly choke up for a sec....(Just for a sec mind...as I am too manly to go over board)
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Old 13th July 2019, 12:27 AM   #2
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Hats off to him. Well done.
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Old 13th July 2019, 05:35 PM   #3
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I hate to say it but the cop needs to review infant CPR.

First you clear the airway, I didn't see him do that but it's hard to tell what he's doing in the beginning. On an infant, you check the pulse in the armpit, brachial artery, not the carotid. The kid was moving, you can see the startle reflex. It's going to have a bloody pulse, you go limp without a pulse. I'm not sure the mother's lap is the best place to do CPR if it had been needed. You can do infant CPR with the baby cradled in one arm, or you can put the baby on the ground/floor.

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Fortunately it looks like the baby revived anyway. Obviously the cop did his best.
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Old 13th July 2019, 05:42 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I hate to say it but the cop needs to review infant CPR.

First you clear the airway, I didn't see him do that but it's hard to tell what he's doing in the beginning. On an infant, you check the pulse in the armpit, brachial artery, not the carotid. The kid was moving, you can see the startle reflex. It's going to have a bloody pulse, you go limp without a pulse. I'm not sure the mother's lap is the best place to do CPR if it had been needed. You can do infant CPR with the baby cradled in one arm, or you can put the baby on the ground/floor.

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Fortunately it looks like the baby revived anyway. Obviously the cop did his best.
I think (obviously not a doctor and getting this second hand so grain of salt) he wasn't trying to do actual CPR. It seems (again from how I'm reading the video) that the infant was still breathing just very shallow and very "on and off."
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Well done anyway. Aside from the obvious fact that the cop did a service to the baby, it's also pretty clear that he did not react wrongly when he made the initial stop, which suggests he's in the right job.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I think (obviously not a doctor and getting this second hand so grain of salt) he wasn't trying to do actual CPR. I seems (again from how I'm reading the video) that the infant was still breathing just very shallow and very "on and off."
If I get too critical I fear you guys will all jump on my case.

He did not follow the recommended steps one should follow when assessing an infant in trouble. You're right, he didn't do chest compressions and didn't need to. But had he needed to, he would have been losing precious time.

Bottom line is, it's a lesson for all, go learn or review infant CPR, everyone should know how to do it.

And a lot of times one can get a baby that young going again just by stimulating it. He did stimulate the kid.
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Old 13th July 2019, 05:52 PM   #7
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Well done anyway. Aside from the obvious fact that the cop did a service to the baby, it's also pretty clear that he did not react wrongly when he made the initial stop, which suggests he's in the right job.
Absolutely: credit for that.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I hate to say it but the cop needs to review infant CPR.

First you clear the airway, I didn't see him do that but it's hard to tell what he's doing in the beginning. On an infant, you check the pulse in the armpit, brachial artery, not the carotid. The kid was moving, you can see the startle reflex. It's going to have a bloody pulse, you go limp without a pulse. I'm not sure the mother's lap is the best place to do CPR if it had been needed. You can do infant CPR with the baby cradled in one arm, or you can put the baby on the ground/floor.

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Fortunately it looks like the baby revived anyway. Obviously the cop did his best.

There is always one
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
There is always one
Yeah, one nurse that thinks this is a great opportunity to remind people to review infant CPR.
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Old 13th July 2019, 09:42 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Yeah, one nurse that thinks this is a great opportunity to remind people to review infant CPR.
Given I wouldn't have a clue what to do before this happened that is a very good point



Edit: Knew the use your fingers rather than hands thing for obvious reasons, but nothing else
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Good man

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-...h-cpr/11306450

Edit: Just watched it again

Should have added, that is fricken awesome and it actually made me slightly choke up for a sec....(Just for a sec mind...as I am too manly to go over board)
Wow cop does his job and doesn't murder a black person, truly a rare and newsworthy event.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Wow cop does his job and doesn't murder a black person, truly a rare and newsworthy event.
Lol

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Nice story and all, but why is this even a thread? I shook hands with a black man this morning, is that thread-worthy?
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Nice story and all, but why is this even a thread? I shook hands with a black man this morning, is that thread-worthy?
It's a nice thread, I happen to think nice things happening in the world should be as noteworthy as bad things happening.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I hate to say it but the cop needs to review infant CPR.

First you clear the airway, I didn't see him do that but it's hard to tell what he's doing in the beginning. On an infant, you check the pulse in the armpit, brachial artery, not the carotid. The kid was moving, you can see the startle reflex. It's going to have a bloody pulse, you go limp without a pulse. I'm not sure the mother's lap is the best place to do CPR if it had been needed. You can do infant CPR with the baby cradled in one arm, or you can put the baby on the ground/floor.

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Fortunately it looks like the baby revived anyway. Obviously the cop did his best.
I'm not entirely sure that the cop did anything but the child seemed more responsive after his manipulations.
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Nice story and all, but why is this even a thread? I shook hands with a black man this morning, is that thread-worthy?
Depends what your stance is on POC.
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Lol

ponderingturtle annoyed not all cops are racist stormtroopers/Judge Dredds
It's ok I am sure he covers for his racist colleges. After all blue careers matter far more than black lives.
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Yeah, one nurse that thinks this is a great opportunity to remind people to review infant CPR.
SG would you mind letting me know where you studied nursing, for how long and, if in the UK, what level you attained?
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It's a nice thread, I happen to think nice things happening in the world should be as noteworthy as bad things happening.
And of course a police officer doing his job appropriately and not violating procedure and getting away with it, is apparently rare enough to be newsworthy.
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Jesus Christ, can it just not be "Here's a nice thing that happened."
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I'm not entirely sure that the cop did anything but the child seemed more responsive after his manipulations.
With newborns that stop breathing, stimulating them is an important action.
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SG would you mind letting me know where you studied nursing, for how long and, if in the UK, what level you attained?
U of WA, Master's degree and I'm a family nurse practitioner. I've been in nursing ~45 years.

In the UK that would be an APN (advanced practice nurse).

Why?
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Jesus Christ, can it just not be "Here's a nice thing that happened."
Then it would be phrased differently. I get it clearly everytime the police do their job and refrain from murdering a black person they need a cookie because of just how fun and easy it is to murder black people.

I forsee tons of new threads.

"Cop racially profiles Black driver when pulling them over, lets them go without planting evidence or shooting them" Clearly also deserving a cookie.
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I only watched it once, but I got the impression that the portion of the tape they posted started after he'd begun working on the baby, so he may have taken other actions that weren't shown. I could be wrong, of course.
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It's a nice thread, I happen to think nice things happening in the world should be as noteworthy as bad things happening.

Except that it was mentioned because there is a perception by many people that most cops are a bunch of racist a-holes, not just because it was a nice story.

We don't do "nice" here without some reason

I guess what I mean is that this should not need to be posted at all. There are bad cops but this thread just proves that not enough people believe that.

Didn't watch the video or click any links.
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It's a nice thread, I happen to think nice things happening in the world should be as noteworthy as bad things happening.
Stories like this happen all the time, but it feels like this is a thread simply because of the ongoing, boring, battle between two factions on here regarding black people and white people. As an observer, this obsession is weird to witness, especially when it brings life to threads such as this. I'm now convinced that me shaking the hand of a black fella yesterday probably was thread-worthy. My uncle was mates with the Real Thing back in the day, how many points do I score?
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Depends what your stance is on POC.
I treat them exactly the same as people of non-colour. People are people. So while a bloke saving a baby is admirable and undoubtedly a nice story, the fact that this is a thread within Social Issues and Current Events is pretty baffling.

Going to my local newsagents round the corner would probably serve as an endless supply of threads:

Man Sells White Man Newspaper While Asian

Boy Holds Door Open for Elderly White Lady While Black

Guy Waits in Queue and Gives No Craps What Colour Anyone Is As He's Got Better Things To Think About, While White

I'm still curious to know how many "POC" even post in this bloody forum, apparently not many. Just a bunch of white people going postal.
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I treat them exactly the same as people of non-colour. People are people. So while a bloke saving a baby is admirable and undoubtedly a nice story, the fact that this is a thread within Social Issues and Current Events is pretty baffling.

Going to my local newsagents round the corner would probably serve as an endless supply of threads:

Man Sells White Man Newspaper While Asian

Boy Holds Door Open for Elderly White Lady While Black

Guy Waits in Queue and Gives No Craps What Colour Anyone Is As He's Got Better Things To Think About, While White

I'm still curious to know how many "POC" even post in this bloody forum, apparently not many. Just a bunch of white people going postal.
Somebody will be along shortly to berate you for your colour blindness. This post may hold them at bay but be ready....
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Originally Posted by Gilbert Syndrome View Post
I treat them exactly the same as people of non-colour. People are people. So while a bloke saving a baby is admirable and undoubtedly a nice story, the fact that this is a thread within Social Issues and Current Events is pretty baffling.

Going to my local newsagents round the corner would probably serve as an endless supply of threads:

Man Sells White Man Newspaper While Asian

Boy Holds Door Open for Elderly White Lady While Black

Guy Waits in Queue and Gives No Craps What Colour Anyone Is As He's Got Better Things To Think About, While White

I'm still curious to know how many "POC" even post in this bloody forum, apparently not many. Just a bunch of white people going postal.
Given it is a current event where else do you suggest I put it?

As for the title, I have made my feelings well known about having thread after thread after thread after thread with black people being treated like crap in the US with the same title vibe and asking why they can't be just one thread when it is an international blimmin forum.

It was just a self amusing counter.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Given it is a current event where else do you suggest I put it?

As for the title, I have made my feelings well known about having thread after thread after thread after thread with black people being treated like crap in the US with the same title vibe and asking why they can't be just one thread when it is an international blimmin forum.

It was just a self amusing counter.
Is it a current event, though?

Seems like a perfectly normal story that is only being posted because it has a white man saving a black baby, something that undoubtedly happens every bloody day in hospitals around the globe. Again, the fact that everyone in here is white just makes these constant, boring, threads about "POC" all the more cringe-worthy. This is possibly the whitest thread ever.
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Probably, it's happened before, despite me not having a horse in the endless black v white race here on the ISF.

Skeptics Endlessly Blather on About Black People While White would be an appropriate title to describe the ISF to people who weren't familiar with it.
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Old 16th July 2019, 04:59 AM   #32
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Is it a current event, though?

Seems like a perfectly normal story that is only being posted because it has a white man saving a black baby, something that undoubtedly happens every bloody day in hospitals around the globe. Again, the fact that everyone in here is white just makes these constant, boring, threads about "POC" all the more cringe-worthy. This is possibly the whitest thread ever.
If you can post a current story of a cop saving a 12 day on baby on his body cam go for it.

It was just a cool thing

And believe me. That wasn't as boring to everyone on here who isn't American having to trawl through "###### ##### ### ## ###, while black" every bloody day
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Old 16th July 2019, 05:25 AM   #33
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
If you can post a current story of a cop saving a 12 day on baby on his body cam go for it.
Isn't that what you've done? My point is, black babies are undoubtedly being saved in hospitals by white blokes every day, and vice versa. It's not news, IMO. Nice news, but there's plenty of nice news that nobody bothers to post because it doesn't serve a certain political agenda.



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And believe me. That wasn't as boring to everyone on here who isn't American having to trawl through "###### ##### ### ## ###, while black" every bloody day
I tend to scroll right past such threads for the obvious reason that they're silly and serve one purpose, to stoke political flames among two factions of white folks, forever warring over a group of people who I'm guessing have very little contact with anyone on here.

I can almost here the Vanilla Ice track blurring in the background as socially-awkward white skeptics attempt to assimilate with our black brothas and sistas.
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Old 16th July 2019, 05:32 AM   #34
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Originally Posted by Gilbert Syndrome View Post
Isn't that what you've done? My point is, black babies are undoubtedly being saved in hospitals by white blokes every day, and vice versa. It's not news, IMO. Nice news, but there's plenty of nice news that nobody bothers to post because it doesn't serve a certain political agenda.
I don't think a video of a cop stopping a car and saving a 12 day old baby on video is every day. Hey. Maybe it is in the US. Just thought it was cool.

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I tend to scroll right past such threads for the obvious reason that they're silly and serve one purpose, to stoke political flames among two factions of white folks, forever warring over a group of people who I'm guessing have very little contact with anyone on here.

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Agree, but it was getting beyond a joke
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Is it a current event, though?

Seems like a perfectly normal story that is only being posted because it has a white man saving a black baby, something that undoubtedly happens every bloody day in hospitals around the globe. Again, the fact that everyone in here is white just makes these constant, boring, threads about "POC" all the more cringe-worthy. This is possibly the whitest thread ever.
Saying that the "while black" threads are about black people is like saying Roadrunner cartoons are about the Roadrunner. No, those threads are actually about how too many white people, or far too many police with the support of far too many white people, react to black people simply minding their own business.

Seems to me that it's up to white people to correct each other, so this is as good a forum as any.

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Old 16th July 2019, 08:34 AM   #36
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Originally Posted by Gilbert Syndrome View Post
Isn't that what you've done? My point is, black babies are undoubtedly being saved in hospitals by white blokes every day, and vice versa. It's not news, IMO. Nice news, but there's plenty of nice news that nobody bothers to post because it doesn't serve a certain political agenda.





I tend to scroll right past such threads for the obvious reason that they're silly and serve one purpose, to stoke political flames among two factions of white folks, forever warring over a group of people who I'm guessing have very little contact with anyone on here.

I can almost here the Vanilla Ice track blurring in the background as socially-awkward white skeptics attempt to assimilate with our black brothas and sistas.
I liked this thread. Most police officers are trying to do a good job and serve their community, but it's still good to see successful outcomes.

If US police forces were generally good at investigating wrongdoing by their officers, or it was universally accepted that there is a problem with institutional racism in many forces and far more blatant racism in some, then you might have a point.

Instead, we have a police officer who was filmed fatally shooting an unarmed man who was literally begging for his life and obviously trying to comply with multiple conflicting commands from the officer. Not only was the officer not charged, but he was reinstated so he could claim his pension before retiring sick.

ETA, we also have people dismissing any individual incident, as either rare, or not certain to be racist. Outside the police threads, this included the hanging of a noose in a Boeing factory, despite Boeing saying it was racially motivated and firing the people who put it up.
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I liked this thread. Most police officers are trying to do a good job and serve their community, but it's still good to see successful outcomes.
As long as covering for their coworkers wrongdoing is accepted as a good job and serving their community. Like how few of the catholic church seem to be raping kids and so merely covering it up and aiding and abetting it doesn't make them bad.
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As long as covering for their coworkers wrongdoing is accepted as a good job and serving their community. Like how few of the catholic church seem to be raping kids and so merely covering it up and aiding and abetting it doesn't make them bad.
I had considered it, and there are so many police forces, that it is quite possible that most police officers would report wrongdoing, but that many don't - and police unions have far too much influence.
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I had considered it, and there are so many police forces, that it is quite possible that most police officers would report wrongdoing, but that many don't - and police unions have far too much influence.
Yet at any controversial police interaction the cops always back each other. It is really hard to find situations where one officer questioned the actions of another, and way easier to find ones where they backed the lies.

Sure not definitive but then again there is no real strong evidence either way to say what % of departments actually support cleaning out bad officers.
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I treat them exactly the same as people of non-colour. People are people. So while a bloke saving a baby is admirable and undoubtedly a nice story, the fact that this is a thread within Social Issues and Current Events is pretty baffling.

Going to my local newsagents round the corner would probably serve as an endless supply of threads:

Man Sells White Man Newspaper While Asian

Boy Holds Door Open for Elderly White Lady While Black

Guy Waits in Queue and Gives No Craps What Colour Anyone Is As He's Got Better Things To Think About, While White

I'm still curious to know how many "POC" even post in this bloody forum, apparently not many. Just a bunch of white people going postal.
None of those hypotheticals are news stories.
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