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Old 29th August 2017, 11:55 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by King of the Americas View Post
Recent events and displays of well researched data has indicated to me, that 'telepathy' or the ability to extend one's consciousness beyond one's cranium is a real measurable phenomena, that has its basis in natural selection...
Still waiting for the citations.

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Prey animals who can sense being watched, OFTEN look in direction of their stalker.
Prey animals have a vested interest in scanning their environs for predators, particularly the directions and areas from which predators are likely to attack (downwind, nearby scrub, etc). One would be surprised if they did not often look in the right direction.

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If you look at the back of someone's head, more often than not they will turn and look right at you.
Not so, as the research actually cited in this thread shows. However, neuroscientist Mario Sigman says that the sensation of being watched that makes us turn our heads results from specialised neural maps that trigger on unusual or unexpected sensed peripheral activity; these triggers are subconscious and trigger the diversion of the focus of attention, so becoming conscious.

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Animals and humans who could identify the direction of an incoming predator were and are more likely to escape.
Very probably; this will be why we are so sensitive to peripheral activity and would account for the HADD (Hyperactive Agency Detection Device) that likely also accounts for superstitious beliefs in spirits, faeries, little people, angels, gods, etc.

It also occurs to me that if such a remote sensing capability had evolved between prey and predator, the resulting evolutionary 'arms race' would have made it outstandingly obvious.

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Fish and birds 'might' be using a single conscious rather than local physical inputs to alter direction.
No reason to think so - basic flocking & shoaling behaviours require only 3 simple rules. Don't disturb Bill Ockham, he's shaving.

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When we see...light bounces off an object, is received by our retinas, flip-turned-right side up, and a picture is formed. But is that picture in our heads, or is it projected outward, outside of us, and by simply observing it, can we alter or change it, without touching it...?
A very crude neural activity 'image' is formed in the visual cortex, mainly used to update and correct the seemingly detailed internally generated model that we think we 'see'.

As for mechanism, only electromagnetism has the range and strength to be relevant but is still totally inadequate; there's a reason even the most sensitive EEG requires electrodes in direct electrical contact with the scalp - the skull and associated brain wrappings are very effective insulators. EM signals strong enough to penetrate either direction would be easily detectable and we'd be disturbingly swamped with EM radiation from the multiple electrical and electronic devices that saturate the urban environment.
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Old 29th August 2017, 12:36 PM   #82
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Corresponding energy?


Quite the contrary; mismatched socks. The Pauli exclusion principle expressed on the macro scale.
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Old 29th August 2017, 01:15 PM   #83
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Originally Posted by King of the Americas View Post
Right. I did research.

Go do your own.
So no evidence, then. Got it.
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Old 29th August 2017, 01:34 PM   #84
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
If you are so sure that telepathy is actually real, then do not bother with Forum posts and/or skeptics.

Instead, simply go to Vegas, play blackjack, and make oodles of money using your telepathic powers.
Blackjack is no good. It's played against the house, and the dealer never looks at his cards. Mind reading won't help you at all. You want poker.
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Old 29th August 2017, 02:07 PM   #85
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Faker. You're just using your precognition to make it appear like you're telepathic.

Dave

WRONG!

I happen to be using clairvoyance to read what someone else has written in Finland.
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Old 29th August 2017, 07:09 PM   #86
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Old 30th August 2017, 06:05 AM   #87
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Old 31st August 2017, 01:02 AM   #88
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Btw, Instead of spending time and energy in this and that, yes and no, can't we check each and every possible interaction scientifically? What a person can transmit to other, scientifically?
The "Demand for an Impossible Test" should be added to the crackpot index
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Old 31st August 2017, 02:39 AM   #89
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Have we had any evidence yet?
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Old 31st August 2017, 04:28 AM   #90
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Have we had any evidence yet?
I'm broadcasting the answer to that question to you telepathically now.
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Old 31st August 2017, 05:06 AM   #91
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Have we had any evidence yet?
Don't put the horse before the cart! First we have to enumerate a long list of ridiculous explanations for how it might work. Once we have completed that Herculean task, then we can look for evidence that it works.

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Old 31st August 2017, 05:30 AM   #92
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Have we had any evidence yet?
There sure is a good bit of crap evidence which shows that telepathy is and at the same time there is exactly zero good evidence which shows that telepathy is a real thing.

Considering the tens of thousands of years that humans have been around then one should think that if telepathy is actually a real thing, then by now we should have some good evidence to show that telepathy is actually a real thing.

But instead, all that we have to show that telepathy is a real thing is nothing stupid, crap evidence which is completely useless.
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Odd, I would have assumed a clear, unambiguous and scientifically sound test and accompanying protocol would have been established by now.

Bah, What am I worried about, Surely it's being written up at this very moment.
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Old 31st August 2017, 08:17 AM   #94
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
I'm broadcasting the answer to that question to you telepathically now.
Yeah, that plus a whole load of other stuff I really didn't need to know about you.

Focus, man, focus!
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Blackjack is no good. It's played against the house, and the dealer never looks at his cards. Mind reading won't help you at all. You want poker.
The dealer has to check for blackjack. That's the little mirror thing in the table that they slide the cards over.
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Old 31st August 2017, 08:41 AM   #96
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I have a set of protocol ready in my mind. Just use ESP to get it!
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Old 31st August 2017, 10:41 AM   #97
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Nothing was proven. It didn't happen and anyway it was night and I was wearing sunglasses.....
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If you look at the back of someone's head, more often than not they will turn and look right at you.
If course, if you're not looking at someone's head, you have no idea where they're looking.
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Old 31st August 2017, 12:12 PM   #99
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If memory serves? I thought you had found lots of convincing documentation. Now you're saying you can't even remember for sure.
Now, I'm no G.I. Joe, but I've never heard of any kind of version of unarmed combat or take-downs that stress not to focus on the back of someone's head in case they sense it. That's just odd.
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Old 31st August 2017, 12:22 PM   #100
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..........If you look at the back of someone's head, more often than not they will turn and look right at you.......
Twaddle. Twaddle, twaddle, twaddle and bollocks.

Can you think of any way of testing this such that you would have the slightest evidence in support of your claim, instead of plucking this nonsense straight out of your backside?
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Twaddle. Twaddle, twaddle, twaddle and bollocks.

Can you think of any way of testing this such that you would have the slightest evidence in support of your claim, instead of plucking this nonsense straight out of your backside?
That's a firm of lawyers?
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King ... think about this logical ... if telepathy existed, someone would have collected the million dollar prize by demonstrating it, sometime prior to 2015
If you had telepathy (or, more exactly, the ability to read minds), you wouldn't need James Randi's prize to get a million dollars. In fact, I would keep it under wraps.
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Old 31st August 2017, 07:27 PM   #103
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Can you think of any way of testing this such that you would have the slightest evidence in support of your claim, instead of plucking this nonsense straight out of your backside?
There is possibly quite a simple way to test this. Get a sound proof room with a chair and one window. Have "x" number of volunteers who do not know what they are being tested for sit in the chair facing away from the window (do something to avoid the use of peripheral vision)

Or even add a control group who do know what they are being tested for.

Get our hero to go to the window and stare at each volunteer for, say, a minute each. Count the numbers who turn around and the numbers who don't, after deciding on what constitutes a success rate. Piece if piss.

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Old 31st August 2017, 10:22 PM   #104
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There is possibly quite a simple way to test this. Get a sound proof room with a chair and one window. Have "x" number of volunteers who do not know what they are being tested for sit in the chair facing away from the window (do something to avoid the use of peripheral vision)

Or even add a control group who do know what they are being tested for.

Get our hero to go to the window and stare at each volunteer for, say, a minute each. Count the numbers who turn around and the numbers who don't, after deciding on what constitutes a success rate. Piece if piss.

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Sounds reasonable. Especially the peace if piss part.
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Old 31st August 2017, 11:01 PM   #105
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There is possibly quite a simple way to test this. Get a sound proof room with a chair and one window. Have "x" number of volunteers who do not know what they are being tested for sit in the chair facing away from the window (do something to avoid the use of peripheral vision)

Or even add a control group who do know what they are being tested for.

Get our hero to go to the window and stare at each volunteer for, say, a minute each. Count the numbers who turn around and the numbers who don't, after deciding on what constitutes a success rate. Piece if piss.

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Indeed. I was rather hoping the KOTA would come up with something similar himself, and we could then ask him why something so simple hadn't been tried.
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Originally Posted by fromdownunder View Post
There is possibly quite a simple way to test this. Get a sound proof room with a chair and one window. Have "x" number of volunteers who do not know what they are being tested for sit in the chair facing away from the window (do something to avoid the use of peripheral vision)

Or even add a control group who do know what they are being tested for.

Get our hero to go to the window and stare at each volunteer for, say, a minute each. Count the numbers who turn around and the numbers who don't, after deciding on what constitutes a success rate. Piece if piss.

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The control needs to be exactly the same set up, but with KOTA not staring at the volunteer. Just see if more turn round when they're being stared at.
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KOTA is presumably picking up posts telepathically.

Or he lost interest on page 1.
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KOTA is presumably picking up posts telepathically.

Or he lost interest on page 1.

Then I'd think most of us here are psychic... we saw that coming.
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Still not quite getting the point, eh? I guess it needs to be made simpler for you- since your claim is that there is "well researched data" and "astounding test results" that you found indicative, nobody but you can say what that data and test results are. The whole problem with the silly "do your own research" retort is that anybody else putting up their own research, which may not agree with yours, opens up a game where you just say "well, that's not what the research I found says." The request is for a basis of discussion, not an excuse to avoid it.

I did do some research, though- and what I see directly contradicts yours. I guess you'll have to do your own research to find that, though.
Alright, well, good luck to you.
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Is your evidence so embarrassingly bad that you dare not link to it?
I think you are wasting your time here...
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The challenge ran for approximately 19 years and is well documented online. Are you saying that it never actually happened and all that info is faked? Or are you simply saying that the contest did not really evaluate fairly the participants fairly?

If you are sure you could have won the challenge, did you ever actually attempt to apply for it?
Nope.

And, I have nothing further to say about said Challenge.
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I think you are wasting your time here...
Sorry, who exactly is wasting whose time?
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Yes, it would be obvious that increased police presence reduces crime.


People might notice you staring at them? That doesn't need telepathy.


If memory serves? I thought you had found lots of convincing documentation. Now you're saying you can't even remember for sure.


You're not busy making money off a predictable physical phenomenon that produces useful results, though. If you actually had telepathy, you'd be the greatest advantage poker player in the world.

If telepathy were actually real, then every poker manual would include a chapter on mental shielding techniques, right before the chapter on avoiding physical tells.

ETA: Hell, if telepathy were real, football Safeties would be drafted based on their ability to read the Quarterback's play before he calls it. Baseball coaches would be hired based on their ability to divine the next pitch and tip off the batter before it's thrown. If telepathy were real, there would be a whole sports industry for games of skill based on the competitor's mind-reading and mind-shielding ability. Chess would be a different game. Tennis would be a different game.
Look, I am a grad student. This is an internet message board. I could care less about full citations and holding your hand through the intertubes.

What you are discussing is intuition...and ABSOLUTELY, some athletes can "read" setups better than others. The best athletes seem to "predict" better than others.
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Good thinking.
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It also occurs to me that if such a remote sensing capability had evolved between prey and predator, the resulting evolutionary 'arms race' would have made it outstandingly obvious.

...
These abilities are both limited and unknowable. Proving something unseen exists is a matter of measuring its effect on something.

If you can't see it, you don't KNOW that is the thing doing the acting.

Things get passed on if they are sexually successful. So you have to survive AND mate, for your genes to continue. Maybe being too sensitive to other people's thoughts makes you LESS likely to breed?

You made all kinds of conclusions I don't care to address, but I'll just say- " "

*Did you receive that?*

First test.
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These abilities are both limited and unknowable.
Contradictory. If they are unknowable, how do you know they are limited? OTOH, if you know they are limited, then they cannot be unknowable by definition.

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Proving something unseen exists is a matter of measuring its effect on something.
What are you waiting for?

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If you can't see it, you don't KNOW that is the thing doing the acting.
Therefore gravity does not exist?

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Things get passed on if they are sexually successful. So you have to survive AND mate, for your genes to continue. Maybe being too sensitive to other people's thoughts makes you LESS likely to breed?
Then evolution would have eliminated it by now.

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You made all kinds of conclusions I don't care to address, but I'll just say- " "

*Did you receive that?*

First test.
Huh?
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View some videos of bowhunters nailing oblivious pigs from close range. Without cues of sight, sound and most importantly scent there is no awareness.
Not all animals have or have developed these abilities.

People get killed by bullets, arrows, bombs, and impacts of all sorts. Sometimes though...people stop and avoid it.

The hair on your neck creeps up, and there is a sense of heightened awareness...and the outcome is at your hand.

As a cornerback, I could tell when the play was coming my way. Maybe that was me reading how most of the line was positioning their feet, or which direction everyone was looking, but I knew. If I was certain I'd call, "strong side lean," then left or right. Never did it often, but I was never wrong.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
theprestige and I have disagreed on a lot of things in the past, but in this case I think he's spot-on. If telepathy is real, why aren't you a billionaire by now?

I predict the "oh, I could be, but..." response.
Because it isn't reliable, predictable, or consistent in any way.

Practicing is a form of manipulation and people who are the best at it, don't want to draw attention to themselves.

How would one use telepathy to make money, besides working as a magician?
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I would like to know how many wrong it takes before I can say definitively that telepathy doesn't exist. I fear there is no such number at all - that is, no result will allow me to dismiss telepathy outright and forever.

Which, in turn, makes me fear I'm buying an Ikea couch-box's worth of wasting my time. On the upside, what is time for if not the interesting wasting thereof?
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How would one use telepathy to make money, besides working as a magician?
Playing poker.
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