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Old 6th September 2017, 02:18 AM   #281
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Originally Posted by King of the Americas View Post
Look, I am a grad student. This is an internet message board. I could care less about full citations and holding your hand through the intertubes.

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OMFG! LOOK WHAT YOU WROTE!

A grad student in what discipline? A grad student at what institute of higher learning?
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Old 6th September 2017, 02:20 AM   #282
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Originally Posted by John Jones View Post
A grad student in what discipline?
The "I could care less" bit makes me assume English.
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Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post
But what do you do with someone who is reliable and honest and reports an outlandish claim that would seemingly be impossible to be mistaken about, unless the person was suffering from some disorder? Do you automatically assume they're lying, or have an actual disorder?
What you do is formulate a means of testing whether their claim has any veracity to it, and carry out that test. If you then carry it out repeatedly for decades and find no evidence that supports the claim, you're perfectly justified in rejecting it until somebody produces evidence more convincing than a series of anecdotes.

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Originally Posted by Fudbucker View Post

But what do you do with someone who is reliable and honest and reports an outlandish claim that would seemingly be impossible to be mistaken about, unless the person was suffering from some disorder? Do you automatically assume they're lying, or have an actual disorder? And if similar people report similar phenomena, does that make the existence of the phenomena more and or less likely? If one eyewitness reports the suspect looked like X,Y,Z, that's one thing. But if all thirty people at the scene report X,Y,Z, that's another.
Your first sentence contradicts itself. If it is an outlandish claim it is perfectly possible to be mistaken about it: that's what makes it outlandish, and that's why your China example doesn't work.
As for your depiction of skeptics' assumptions, this is a false dichotomy often thrown out by woo-merchants and conspiracy theorists (see MicahJava in the JFK thread, for example). I, for one, do not automatically assume that someone who reports an incidence of whatever woo they are talking about, is insane or lying. They could simply be mistaken. Individuals can make mistakes, and groups can too. We're human: it happens to all of us, and is not uncommon.
It might clarify your point if you could give an example of an outlandish claim about which it would be impossible to be mistaken.
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Old 6th September 2017, 03:33 AM   #285
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Your first sentence contradicts itself. If it is an outlandish claim it is perfectly possible to be mistaken about it: that's what makes it outlandish, and that's why your China example doesn't work.
The other reason it's a poor analogy is that a trip to China is not a single experience. It's a whole long chain of events and activities each of which can be recalled and checked against other memories for consistency. Even though you might have a dream about being in China and later be confused about whether you'd really done that, it wouldn't take you long to get round to asking yourself questions like "when did I do that?", "how did I get there?", "why was I there?" etc.

It really doesn't compare with, say, being absolutely convinced you passed uncle Charlie on the bus this morning, even though he died 20 years ago.
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Old 6th September 2017, 06:11 AM   #286
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Originally Posted by Spektator View Post
Seems to me it would NOT be an option.
Doh! That was what I meant to write!
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Originally Posted by King of the Americas View Post
Look, I am a grad student. This is an internet message board. I could care less about full citations and holding your hand through the intertubes.

What you are discussing is intuition...and ABSOLUTELY, some athletes can "read" setups better than others. The best athletes seem to "predict" better than others.
Well then if that is the case, then I hope that none of your professors are reading your brilliant postings about the space ships you have seen, the people from Atlantis that you say are real, and how there are a number of people with telepathic powers.
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Well then if that is the case, then I hope that none of your professors are reading your brilliant postings about the space ships you have seen, the people from Atlantis that you say are real, and how there are a number of people with telepathic powers.
If he's telepathic, why would they need to read the postings?

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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
If he's telepathic, why would they need to read the postings?

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Good point.

Also, if telepathy is real, then why do professors bother to provide the students with written tests?
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
Good point.

Also, if telepathy is real, then why do professors bother to provide the students with written tests?

Because only special people are blessed with these extra-ordinary gifts.

And unlike those pedestrian intellectuals, KotA is one of the special people.


Oops... I switched definitions mid-post, didn't I? Sorry.
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It would be easier to create a test if KotA checked in.
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Originally Posted by Loss Leader View Post
It would be easier to create a test if KotA checked in.
KOA may be checking in via telepathic powers.

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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
If he's telepathic, why would they need to read the postings?

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He IS telepathic.
He responds to the posts you thought about writing, not the one you sent.

That's why his replies in the thread have no bearing on the posts that he quotes.
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He IS telepathic.
He responds to the posts you thought about writing, not the one you sent.
So why didn't he mention the baby newts or the giant pencil sharpener?

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So why didn't he mention the baby newts or the giant pencil sharpener?

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Don't ask, don't tell.
You notice that Dave Rogers didn't mention the squid - KOA is probably trying to have his brain bleached as we post....
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So why didn't he mention the baby newts or the giant pencil sharpener?

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S'right.

(and if there was an "Obscure Reference Award" you'd be nominated. Something something oranges something.)
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(and if there was an "Obscure Reference Award" you'd be nominated. Something something oranges something.)
"Sometimes I have these thoughts, which are, like, inside my head."

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"Sometimes I have these thoughts, which are, like, inside my head."

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10 out of 52, numbers and suits.
I think I really like this test...!

Can we do ONE card a day, for 52 days, same time each day?

Maybe we could do just 7 days...I ten to get lazy, and I'm also a grad student, so free time is limited.
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I look through the cards at an exact time KotA decides, concentrating on each card for as long as he decided.

I then post the sequence her as a hash (with some nonsense words dropped in to make it harder to crack. KotA posts his sequence and we compare.




We can make it 5 cards. The probability would be 1:3.8 million.
We'll just need a secret third party, to confirm the accuracy of the guesses...?

How should that function, to make sure I couldn't have 'cheated'...?
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Originally Posted by King of the Americas View Post
Look, I am a grad student. This is an internet message board. I could care less about full citations and holding your hand through the intertubes.

What you are discussing is intuition...and ABSOLUTELY, some athletes can "read" setups better than others. The best athletes seem to "predict" better than others.
https://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw

I'll just leave this here. You could care less?
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The "I could care less" bit makes me assume English.
Really? I was certain that saying "I could care less" was an American expression, they say it on their tv shows.
Over here in the UK everyone says "I couldn't care less".
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Really? I was certain that saying "I could care less" was an American expression, they say it on their tv shows.


Over here in the UK everyone says "I couldn't care less".


I was sarcastically suggesting he was a student of English. Not that he was English.

I agree with you about the useage; I've never heard a British person say "I could care less".
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I've never heard an American say it either. At least without cringing. It literally bugs me more than "literally". But not as much as abuse of compound pronouns.
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Let's get on with the telepathy.
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Let's get on with the telepathy.
That's what I was thinking!
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I've never heard an American say it either. At least without cringing. It literally bugs me more than "literally". But not as much as abuse of compound pronouns.
One literally could care less!
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One literally could care less!
Or even couldn't care less!
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Let's get on with the telepathy.
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That's what I was thinking!
You two should get out of each others minds!
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We'll just need a secret third party, to confirm the accuracy of the guesses...?

How should that function, to make sure I couldn't have 'cheated'...?
So King of the Americas has returned and seems to be offering to do a test. Anyone going to take him up on it?
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So King of the Americas has returned and seems to be offering to do a test. Anyone going to take him up on it?
Why not? I haven't been blamed for someone else's catastrophic failure since the election.
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So King of the Americas has returned and seems to be offering to do a test. Anyone going to take him up on it?
I'm still waiting for a real telepath to turn up. One who'll phone the number I'm thinking of, say the right word and win a grand.
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We'll just need a secret third party, to confirm the accuracy of the guesses...?

How should that function, to make sure I couldn't have 'cheated'...?
That's covered in the "I then post the sequence here as a hash" bit, isn't it? LL posts an encrypted version of the sequence, you post your sequence in clear, then LL posts the decryption key so anyone can compare the two. Sounds good enough to me, as it eliminates cheating while not requiring a third party.

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We'll just need a secret third party, to confirm the accuracy of the guesses...?

How should that function, to make sure I couldn't have 'cheated'...?

I type the string of cards into this MD5 hash generator along with a nonsense word thrown in to keep it from being forcibly broken. I'll post it before you even make your guesses. It's easy to see if my sequence generates the same hash.

For example, the sequence of cards 3H 9H KS 9C and 10H might get a hash that looks like this:

a75009ee07ce72cd28e01dabdebe1047

You then make your guesses and, after you're done, I inform people that I encoded "Butterfly3H9HKS9C10H". Anyone can go to the MD5 generator, paste that in and get: a75009ee07ce72cd28e01dabdebe1047. The hashes are the same.

If I try to change even one letter, like telling people that I pulled the queen and not the king of spades, the whole hash changes. "Butterfly3H9HQS9C10H" creates the hash: 4751a47d3e977156c1c85974989a6124. That's not just a little bit different, it's completely and obviously different. It's a very efficient way to prevent cheating.
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Okay King, are you good with the proposal? LL will pick five cards from a deck of 52 and post a hash. Then LL looks at a card for 5 minutes at a time you suggest. One card each of five consecutive days. Shortly after each time, you post publicly the card. After the fifth time, LL posts the answers. To score, you have to match all five exactly in order.

Will that work?
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Okay King, are you good with the proposal? LL will pick five cards from a deck of 52 and post a hash. Then LL looks at a card for 5 minutes at a time you suggest. One card each of five consecutive days. Shortly after each time, you post publicly the card. After the fifth time, LL posts the answers. To score, you have to match all five exactly in order.

Will that work?

I had initially suggested the entire deck of 52 at an exact time of his choosing, concentrating on each for five seconds per card. He'd need to get 10 right to warrant further testing.

If he'd think he'd be stronger at remote viewing, I'll put five cards in an envelope and keep it for however long he wants. In that case, 4 out of 5 would be impressive enough to repeat the test.
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Old 27th September 2017, 10:55 AM   #319
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Originally Posted by Loss Leader View Post
I had initially suggested the entire deck of 52 at an exact time of his choosing, concentrating on each for five seconds per card. He'd need to get 10 right to warrant further testing.

If he'd think he'd be stronger at remote viewing, I'll put five cards in an envelope and keep it for however long he wants. In that case, 4 out of 5 would be impressive enough to repeat the test.
King, there you have it! Loss Leader has put out a couple of specific choices. Can you choose one and we can all see how things turn out?
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Old 27th September 2017, 11:03 AM   #320
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Originally Posted by Startz View Post
Okay King, are you good with the proposal? LL will pick five cards from a deck of 52 and post a hash. Then LL looks at a card for 5 minutes at a time you suggest. One card each of five consecutive days. Shortly after each time, you post publicly the card. After the fifth time, LL posts the answers. To score, you have to match all five exactly in order.

Will that work?
Gosh no. The last thing psychics actually want is a real test. That, they avoid like the plague.
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